Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 18339 times:
I was looking at landings at Tegucigalpa, Honduras, a place which is climbing up my "places to visit" list, along with Quito, Funchal and Wellington.
There's some amazing footage on Youtube, but this one caught my eye. It's an ex-US Airways 733 ... just look how far along the runway it comes down. Compare it to the American and Continental aircraft, which land pretty much on the piano keys ... and you may also see a video, in Spanish, which illustrates how far along that A320 landed last year (before it overran).
Bear in mind that TGU's runway is only a shade over 6,000', so this guy must have been (and I appreciate it's hard to judge accurately from an angle) around half way down the runway.
This is not a crazy landing ... just a crazy pilot who should have performed a go around when realizing that he was not "on the ground" after passing more than half of the runway.
Rscaife1682 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 18193 times:
CVR recording was probably a little something like this
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 18159 times:
Quoting Rscaife1682 (Reply 3): CVR recording was probably a little something like this
Get it down
Get it down
At times like that, I wonder if they should have cabin voice recordings (still "CVR"), during which you'd probably hear some much more colourful phraseology.
I wonder if there's any way to trace what airline this might be?
A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1973 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 18063 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4): I wonder if there's any way to trace what airline this might be?
Try all you want but it'll never appear. That's "Patriot 501", N501UW, former US Airways 737-300 that flies deportees for the US Justice Department. Spends a lot of time flying IAH-TGU, in fact. Jawdropping approach to say the least (flew it myself back in October with this airplane 15 minutes behind us).
JSD
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WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 17963 times:
Watch the video in HD (high definition) and count the number of centerline markings on the runway. These are quite distinct at the far end of the runway, even in presence of the foreshortening effect of the zoom so they can be used as a reasonably accurate distance measure. If you do this, it does indeed appear to confirm that both mains were not on ground until about halfway down the runway.
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11122 posts, RR: 63 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 17858 times:
I know I'm not in the cockpit and don't know the circumstances, but that just looks dangerous. Perhaps the go-around procedure was just as risky though, it's a high altitude airport with lots of high terrain.
Pilot seat cushions might need changing too, after being removed due to the "pucker" factor...
I jumpseated in there on a route (on a lowly 732) when I was with Air Florida, and the approach is a real eye opener. If the guys/gals in this recently clip would have had any more tailwind than they may have had, or a wet runway, the outcome could been nasty, assuming they hadn't gone around. TGU has little tolerance for error...
Quoting Rscaife1682,reply=3: CVR recording was probably a little something like this
Get it down
Get it down
At times like that, I wonder if they should have cabin voice recordings (still "CVR"), during which you'd probably hear some much more colourful phraseology.
more like...
"M****a! M****a! M****a!"
And I guess the guys at the ramp also said the same thing... is it just me or was everyone watching the plane afterwards...
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Yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17602 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
I jumpseated in there on a route (on a lowly 732) when I was with Air Florida, and the approach is a real eye opener. If the guys/gals in this recently clip would have had any more tailwind than they may have had, or a wet runway, the outcome could been nasty, assuming they hadn't gone around. TGU has little tolerance for error...
Anyone remember the TA crash a few months ago..his landing probably looked the same but in wet conditions....
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Sebjacques92 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17543 times:
Wow i would have thought a Pilot would know better to go-around!!! I have just measured it on google earth and it looks as though they stopped in about 750 metres!! Must have been some serious breaking action. I wonder what the passengers were thinking, imagine sitting on the right hand side, turning off the runway to see none left lol
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17448 times:
These videos don't get old to me. My uncle taught this landing when he was MIA based for 8 yrs. Ranks top 5 hardest approaches for AA.
Dispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1185 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 17406 times:
I might have to see if I can jump it on a DL flight...
KarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2927 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 17282 times:
This is the approach to the same airport if done properly from the cockpit view:
2 Examples:
After they land and turn off the runway you can hear one of the crew members say, "This is not fun. I don't like this one." But at least you will note he had significant asphalt to spare.
Cockpit View Of A Jet Landing Into Tegucigalpa Honduras TGU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAxAso8xSo0&NR=1
And last but not least an American B757 achieving this landing. This is looking at it from the outside like on the thread starter's clip. I find all of these examples scary and I have to wonder what is going through the pilots mind as he makes what has to be a no error approach and touchdown.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 17209 times:
Wow, that it pretty darn close. Looks that he even landed with less than half the runway left.
A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1973 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 17164 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 12): ..only if it had gone off the end. If it stayed on the runway, it was "braking" acftion...
If it had gone off the end, it would have hit the TACA plane that apparently is still there? They hadn't moved the airframe as of October and I haven't heard anything saying they've removed it yet. It lies well below the runway surface and isn't visible when departing this direction.
JSD
"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
Duckredbeard From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16128 times:
I wonder if the mierda, er, I mean MEDIA would have blamed "brake failure" or any other mechanical fault for the mishap that almost occurred.
Now...I wonder if the airline has seen a copy of this landing and prescribed additional "training" for the crew responsible for this negligence.
LuisKMIA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14148 times:
After the TACA overrun, the Honduran government moved civil operations to nearby Enrique Soto Cano Air Base if I'm not mistaken. Was this a permanent move?
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14149 times:
You can add this to my list of places I really need to fly into before I die! I took a look at some videos on flightlevel350.com and must admit that this approach fascinates me. I not only want to be on an aircraft doing the approach and landing, but want to spend an entire day there on that mountain side watching other aircraft do it. THAT would be be a perfect vacation!!
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26 Ludavid777: Funny! The aircraft was removed shortly after, broken into sections, and it was taken to El Salvador, if I'm not wrong, as part of the investigation.
27 0NEWAIR0: That 73 floated like a freakin' Cessna!
28 Ludavid777: No, most of the airlines just shifted the flights to San Pedro (SAP) or cancelled the additional flight to TGU. Regional aircraft (less than 50 seats
29 OPNLguy: Immediately after the accident, TGU was closed to jets but stayed opened to smaller turboprops. They talked about/planned a move, but it appears that
30 Spudsmac: I guess it was either fast or they didn't pull out the power enough. Ground effect too.....
31 SuseJ772: That's what I thought. I am no expert by any means, but it seemed like it was a very fast approach, you can even hear what sounds like engines spooli
32 Hywel: Umm... the plane could have been very light with only a few pax, meaning the stopping distance was minimal and it was safe to land...
33 OPNLguy: Since it was reportedly a DOJ flight returning deportees from IAH, my guess would be that there was a pax in nearly every seat, since they tend to sc
34 413x3: Lots of pax but probably minimal to no baggage, and nice weather, I don't see a problem with the pilot just trying to get the airplane down.
35 Gonzalo: Although i think maybe a Go Around could be the better option in a situation like this, I'm not so sure in this case. Whit a very long flare like that
36 TheSonntag: Especially not on a runway which is so short...
37 Cubastar: I certainly do! The time for a go-around should not be predicated when the main wheels are both on the ground. The time for a go-around is when you r
38 Phllax: Isn't a completely new airport currently under construction and due to open soon?
39 FLY2HMO: A combination of both. Way too much energy (speed) when you get in ground effect will make you float forever. Deploying the speed brakes or bringing
40 Airbuster: All comments aside, this situation is very simple. Put it down on the markers or GO AROUND. This is one of those airports where a soft landing is nowh
41 LHRspotter: Does anyone actually has the official top 5?
42 FatmirJusufi: On of the most dangerous landings that I have seen so far! I don't know how the pilot could risk in these critical cases?! Fatmir
43 Brilondon: If you are you may want to invest in some depends.
44 UAL747: I believe that only daytime, good visibility (VFR) approaches are allowed here, is that correct? UAL
45 Kaitak: Just curious; as this is a DoJ charter flight, are passengers "free to wander" around the cabin, or are they restrained or manacled in any way (such
46 DescendVia: Well it depends...... Does the DOJ operate as part 91 or 135? If it is 91, they are "not" required to land in the touchdown zone and can land as far
47 SJOtoLIR: Autoridad de Aviacion Civil de El Salvador has already undisclosed a preliminary report related to TACA 390 accident: "The aircraft landed on runway
48 Dispatchguy: Our tailored approach to runway 2 (RNAV RNP Runway 02) requires a DA of 4144/847, and a vis of 2.6km Our line check pilots created what they called t
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