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What Happened To 737s On DCA-EWR?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

A few years ago it seemed like CO had mostly 737s on DCA-EWR...These days it's mostly RJs and Dash-8s...What happened? Seems like DCA-EWR should at least require 737s in the early afternoon to feed CO's Europe flights.

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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

DCA-EWR Certainly does require 737s. Since when did CO adjust the scheds?


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User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Looks like CO has the following on the DCA-EWR route:

1x 737 (124 seats)
4x ERJ-145 (50 seats)
3x Q400 (74 seats)


That's 918 seats on the route. I'd imagine 900+ seats is more than enough to cover connections.



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User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3051 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
3x Q400 (74 seats)

Although I agree that the Q400 is an appropriate airplane for DCA EWR, how do passengers perceive it, when on all other routes to the NYC area (LGA, JFK) it is jets, and usually mainline equipment at that (ie Delta or USAirways Shuttle).


User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3036 times:



Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 3):
Although I agree that the Q400 is an appropriate airplane for DCA EWR, how do passengers perceive it, when on all other routes to the NYC area (LGA, JFK) it is jets, and usually mainline equipment at that (ie Delta or USAirways Shuttle).

Delta has downsized LGA-DCA to E-175s, so it seems the market is shrinking overall.


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Interestingly, by comparison, BOS-EWR on CO is almost exclusively 737s of all varieties. There's the occasional Q-400 or ERJ, but for the most part, the route has a 737 almost every hour from about 6 AM until 7 PM.

Is there that much more demand for NYC-BOS than NYC-DCA?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2894 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
That's 918 seats on the route. I'd imagine 900+ seats is more than enough to cover connections.

Yes, but only one Q400 during the peak hours...So essentially all connecting passengers from DCA to Europe are on that one flight...i'm surprised CO isn't doing more connecting business here.

FWIW, Delta used to operate an MD-88 DCA-JFK during the international rush. United still operates a 757 LGA-IAD to connect to their evening flights to GRU, EZE, FRA, LHR, KWI, and DXB.

Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 3):
how do passengers perceive it, when on all other routes to the NYC area (LGA, JFK) it is jets, and usually mainline equipment at that (ie Delta or USAirways Shuttle).

Different markets. Most businessmen travelling between DC & NY take Acela or the US/DL Shuttle...I imagine DCA-EWR is mostly for connecting passengers.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2889 times:



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
1x 737 (124 seats)
4x ERJ-145 (50 seats)
3x Q400 (74 seats)

This market has really declined from the days when PE/CO flew it hourly with 737s


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2850 times:
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Quoting BosWashSprStar (Reply 4):

Delta has downsized LGA-DCA to E-175s, so it seems the market is shrinking overall.

I wonder how much of it is because of a shrinking market vs how much it has to do with finally matching the jets to the needed capacity?


User currently offlineCO787EWR From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2801 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 6):

What is the shuttle I just went to LGA for the first time and saw all this shuttle branding everywhere... I know that express for airlines is like the regional carrier but what are the shuttle to their respective airlines.

Why doesn't CO have a shuttle at EWR?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 9):
Why doesn't CO have a shuttle at EWR?


CO used to have the Super shuttle, left from gates at C-2 with special gate areas where you checked your bags right at the gate and they had a more upscale boarding area with tables and lamps etc.. 23 nonstop MD-80s EWR-BOS and about 16 EWR-DCA.

Amtrak really owns New Jersey/ New York City-Washington DC, it's not just the Acela but the Regionals too. Onepass members earn miles for using Amtrak's Acela Express service from NY Penn to WAS and BOS. Also Washington DC is a three hour drive from most areas of New Jersey, so your competing with business travelers driving themselves for day trips/meetings to DC.

[Edited 2009-03-17 17:51:24]

[Edited 2009-03-17 17:51:50]

[Edited 2009-03-17 17:53:05]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
Looks like CO has the following on the DCA-EWR route:

1x 737 (124 seats)
4x ERJ-145 (50 seats)
3x Q400 (74 seats)

FWI:

The 737s return in September;

EWR-DCA 9/17/09

2 Q400
2 ERJ-145
2 737-300s
2 737-500s

CO's fleet plan got out of whack because of the expedited retirement of the 737-300s and reduction of the 737-500 fleets as well as some deferrals of 737s on order from 2009-2010.[Edited 2009-03-17 18:02:02]

23 737-300s and 5 737-500s are to exit the fleet in the couple of years, during the same time CO will take delivery of 4 737-800s, 47 737-900ERs and 4 757-300s.

So for the next year or two there may be a few 737 routes being replaced by ERJs until the 737-800 and 737-900ER deliveries catch up with the vacancy left by the 737-300s and 737-500s leaving the fleet.[Edited 2009-03-17 18:06:14]

[Edited 2009-03-17 18:06:48]


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User currently offlineCO787EWR From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2671 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):

Thanks didn't know that!


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2611 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 8):
I wonder how much of it is because of a shrinking market vs how much it has to do with finally matching the jets to the needed capacity?

I think it is both. The LGA shuttle markets have been shrinking since the late 1990s. But you are also right. There are empty flights midday and full flights at peak hours. Youll notice that AA is no longer clamoring to get into the shuttle like there were 10 years ago.


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