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EK's A380 Will Stop Flying To JFK From April  
User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 24073 times:

EK has announced some changes on it's A380 routes:

New York will lose it's A 380's from April and that plane will be deployed on Toronto & Bangkok

A 380 will also be deployed to Seoul and Singapore this year

Shame New York will not get the A 380 for a while now

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/549901-emirates-to-cut-new-york-service

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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23318 times:

Probably a consequence of the large drop in pax to and from North America. It seems no other region is hit so hard.

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23192 times:

Bangkok and Söul, do they have a gate ready for the A380?

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6408 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23184 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 2):
Bangkok and Söul, do they have a gate ready for the A380?

Well considering that TG has ordered A380s, then BKK will definitely. There's no point in building a big as airport which is pretty new and not have any A380 stands, especially if the airport's considering growing!



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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 23011 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
Well considering that TG has ordered A380s, then BKK will definitely. There's no point in building a big as airport which is pretty new and not have any A380 stands, especially if the airport's considering growing!

And the same logic applies to ICN as KE has ordered the A380  Smile.



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User currently offlineKimberlyrj From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22923 times:

Hi

If there are not the PAX levels on JFK, will there really be the need for a A380 in Toronto!?

I think the introduction of the A380 on that route was more of a show of 'can do' from EK rather then thinking they could ever fill the aircraft 100% of the time...

Kimberly.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2094 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22834 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 3):
Well considering that TG has ordered A380s, then BKK will definitely.

Remember this is BKK in Thailand, planning seems to go out the window!!!

Quoting Kimberlyrj (Reply 5):
If there are not the PAX levels on JFK, will there really be the need for a A380 in Toronto!?

They have a restriction on slots, so to grow they can only go 380 to Toronto.


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22815 times:

Any real info on their loads on the JFK route?

User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22818 times:



Quoting Kimberlyrj (Reply 5):
If there are not the PAX levels on JFK, will there really be the need for a A380 in Toronto!?

YES.. EK only have rights for x3 weekly to YYZ, with LF already in the mid to high 90's it makes sence to upgrade the route for additional capacity as they cant increase frequencies.

Quoting Kimberlyrj (Reply 5):
I think the introduction of the A380 on that route was more of a show of 'can do' from EK rather then thinking they could ever fill the aircraft 100% of the time...

When EK introduced the A380 on the route the economy wasnt anywhere near as bad as it is now. So it makes sence to pull the A380 and put it on a route that it "currently" warrents it.

Many airlines swap and change aircraft on routes to meet current demand.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1671 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 22765 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 2):
Bangkok and Söul, do they have a gate ready for the A380?

Seoul has a large number of A380 gates... just look at pics from aircraft landing and departing at Seoul and you will see the satellite terminal in the background with A380 gates...



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12904 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 21926 times:
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Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
Seoul has a large number of A380 gates...

IIRC, Last time I looked, ICN airport was bragging all 72 of their gates could be made A380 ready!  wideeyed  It is the last airport I would worry about being able to accomodate an A380.

Now, the question is, do any of the new 32 gates have an upperdeck gate? For the Korean airlines were mostly to operate from the original 40 gates and 'foreign airlines' from the new concourse. So just because KE had planes doesn't mean EK is fully accommodated.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 9):
see the satellite terminal in the background with A380 gates...

If that is the case, no worries.  Smile

I do wonder at JFK having *that* much of a drop off in traffic. Its a bit scary...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21012 times:

Interesting...

I've had friends on four seperate JFK-DXB 380 flights in the past month and all of the flights has dismal loads. In each case Y had over 150 open seats and C was not even half full. Not sure about F. They were all flying standby and all got seat assignments in C at check-in.


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20736 times:



Quoting Kimberlyrj (Reply 5):
If there are not the PAX levels on JFK, will there really be the need for a A380 in Toronto!?

I think the introduction of the A380 on that route was more of a show of 'can do' from EK rather then thinking they could ever fill the aircraft 100% of the time...

As has been said, EK is slot restricted at YYZ, and operating at 90%+ load factor, so to bypass the slot restrictions they've placed the A380 on the route - premium traffic on the YYZ flight is also quite good. Shame us riff raff on the main fleet won't have that cushy trip to Canada anymore though!

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 11):
I do wonder at JFK having *that* much of a drop off in traffic. Its a bit scary.

I think international premium traffic out of JFK has taken a disproportional hit, but I might be wrong.

BKK needs the A380, though I would have thought the two class beasts would have been put on the route once they arrived?

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 13):
They were all flying standby and all got seat assignments in C at check-in.

I'm more shocked that they got into C!



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User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20601 times:



Quoting LHUSA (Reply 13):
Interesting...

I've had friends on four seperate JFK-DXB 380 flights in the past month and all of the flights has dismal loads. In each case Y had over 150 open seats and C was not even half full. Not sure about F. They were all flying standby and all got seat assignments in C at check-in.

Interesting; I largely got pounded 6 months or so ago when I suggested that the A380 would not magically fill up - and only had limited utility.

While I think that there is probably really good utilization for the first 50 or so A380s if properly placed, I think things will be really obvious by the time 100 A380s are in service.

It is very interesting that even though there are only about 15 A380s currently in service - that they are having problems filling them even now.


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20535 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 14):
As has been said, EK is slot restricted at YYZ, and operating at 90%+ load factor, so to bypass the slot restrictions they've placed the A380 on the route - premium traffic on the YYZ flight is also quite good. Shame us riff raff on the main fleet won't have that cushy trip to Canada anymore though!

I don't think EK are slot restricted, it is more to do with the fact that the current bilateral between Canada and UAE won't allow EK to increase frequencies. EK have been pushing hard but the Canadians don't want to budge. Using the A380 is the only way for EK to increase YYZ capacity at the present time. I'm sure as soon as they are able, EK will revert to 777 ops with a daily service.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20491 times:

We now know that a lot of American cities are now thin, weak routes. There is no premium traffic and economy class is filled with heavily discounted tickets.

I get emails all day everyday from a host of airlines offering discount tickets to America.

It is no wonder that the A380 is unsuited to this route. And it is sad to see JFK can't fill an A380 from Dubai.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1652 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20448 times:

The A380 entered at a time when there was a recession, similar to the 747's entry in its time. It could take years before capacity on an A380 is justified.
I wonder if EK will consider any additional A380 destinations? JED or RUH during peak times, BOM and CAI.


User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20413 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 14):
I'm more shocked that they got into C!

On my airline you can buy C-class standby tickets on EK. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have been stuck in Y.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2129 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 19900 times:



Quoting 2175301 (Reply 13):
Interesting; I largely got pounded 6 months or so ago when I suggested that the A380 would not magically fill up - and only had limited utility.

While I think that there is probably really good utilization for the first 50 or so A380s if properly placed, I think things will be really obvious by the time 100 A380s are in service.

It is very interesting that even though there are only about 15 A380s currently in service - that they are having problems filling them even now.

One reassignment does not indict an entire airplane type. Your comments may well be valid on a temporary basis and on specific routes only. If today's economic climate were as robust as it was a year ago, all those planes would likely be full. And they'll fill up in a few years' time.

So yes, the A380 may have 'limited utility' and it may sell only a few hundred frames. But as has been demonstrated with the initial planes in service, almost every route on which they've been deployed has shown great success. Considering that New York and Dubai rely heavily on the devastated financial sector; a route between the two may be expected to suffer setbacks. How are the 380s on the Kangaroo route doing?

EK should not be worrying so much about a temporary recession period. They should be doing everything in their power to gain the bilateral freedoms their business plan (and justification for so many VLAs) demands.



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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 18450 times:

I was scheduled to fly the A380 from JFK to DXB on July 6. Too bad !!

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 17559 times:



Quoting Kimberlyrj (Reply 5):
rather then thinking they could ever fill the aircraft 100% of the time...

So which airlines(s) are you thinking of that fill aircraft 100% of the time?

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 13):
It is very interesting that even though there are only about 15 A380s currently in service - that they are having problems filling them even now.

I find it even more interesting that in the middle of a massive worldwide recession you make such a claim. Who's having trouble filling them (which you state as definitive) and it still doesn't change anything from six months ago as AFAIK no-one has ever claimed they would "magically fill up"?


User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17453 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 14):
Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 14):
As has been said, EK is slot restricted at YYZ, and operating at 90%+ load factor, so to bypass the slot restrictions they've placed the A380 on the route - premium traffic on the YYZ flight is also quite good. Shame us riff raff on the main fleet won't have that cushy trip to Canada anymore though!

I don't think EK are slot restricted, it is more to do with the fact that the current bilateral between Canada and UAE won't allow EK to increase frequencies. EK have been pushing hard but the Canadians don't want to budge. Using the A380 is the only way for EK to increase YYZ capacity at the present time. I'm sure as soon as they are able, EK will revert to 777 ops with a daily service.

Woops that's what I meant, I wrongly said slot - thanks for catching that though. UAE-Canada flights are capped at 6 per week, currently operating at 3 from AUH by Etihad, 3 from DXB by Emirates

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 17):
On my airline you can buy C-class standby tickets on EK. Otherwise, I'm sure they would have been stuck in Y.

Ah there you have it, I knew something was up  Smile



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User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 17075 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
Now, the question is, do any of the new 32 gates have an upperdeck gate?

This doesn't matter much for EK. How many seats have they on the upper deck? 80? Those can board easily through door 1L main deck. The unwashed masses would board through 2L and later, when first and business finished boarding they could stampede also through 1L...


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16894 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
We now know that a lot of American cities are now thin, weak routes. There is no premium traffic and economy class is filled with heavily discounted tickets.

Got proof on the IAH, LAX, or SFO flights?



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User currently offlineFlanor From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16711 times:

This is bad news for EK's strategy, which has yet to prove itself.

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 12):
I think international premium traffic out of JFK has taken a disproportional hit, but I might be wrong.

International traffic (all classes) at JFK was down just 3,3 % (dec 08, Port Authority). That doesn't sound disproportional.

Quoting LHUSA (Reply 11):
Y had over 150 open seats and C was not even half full

Premium traffic in general, an important market for EK, is hit hard these days: -16,7 % worldwide (jan 09, IATA), but figures in Y and C like the above are worse than the market as a whole.

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 18):
New York and Dubai rely heavily on the devastated financial sector

DXB was never supposed to rely on Dubai alone. It would be a hub. The troubled economy of India probably is a disadvantage at the moment.


This step should raise some questions with the people who are financing EK's next 54 A380s.


25 Lightsaber : Wow... one aircraft reassignment to routes with less competition and its as if the A380 and EK should never have been... Ok, you have a point there. I
26 Threepoint : While I mentioned what I thought the company should focus on (for its continued health), it doesn't necessarily align with my personal opinion. Don't
27 CasInterest : With the state of things in NYC and Dubai, this is not surprising. The current economy, and the fact that the Whale Jet is designed as a Big Plane th
28 SQ_EK_freak : To be clear, I meant premium traffic out of JFK is disproportionally hit versus non-premium traffic out of JFK (F/J travel compared to Y travel out o
29 EK413 : Yes... I doubt the multi billion dollar facilities which have been built at Bangkok and Seoul have been built without the A380 taken into account...
30 OzGlobal : By "interesting", you seem to mean 'satisfying'. You may recall that the worst economic crisis arguably in 183 years it now deeply intrenched, someth
31 BlueFlyer : DXB's strength as a hub (or EK's strength as a network) is to connect secondary cities to each other, and to main destination centers. Only the most
32 Alianza : . Well, that's actually a good problem to have! ... a route with a +90% load factor. What other routes does EK have with a high load like that. Is the
33 Boeing727 : According to a recent Aviation Week and Space Technology issue, Asia is actually the worst hit region; losses in passenger and cargo volume are twice
34 6thfreedom : which Singapore service will get the A380? The one that extends to MEL, the one that goes onto BNE, the one that stops in CMB, or the CGK extension?
35 Post contains links Aviateur : Emirates is one of very few carriers that will upgrade off-line employees (those from other airlines). But it's not cheap. I believe you need to pay
36 Globetraveller : I took the A380 from DXB to JFK a few days ago and the loads were very low: First: About 30% Business: 50% Economy: 35% When exactly in April are they
37 MEACEDAR : Wow...I just booked flight from JFK-DXB-BEY and back specifically to go on the A380. Damn.
38 Globetraveller : According to the EK online booking system, the last A380-800 leaving JFK will be EK202 on Saturday the 30th of May 2009. EK202 is then operated by a 7
39 LACA773 : How is EK doing out of LAX and SFO? I know LAX is (was?) suppossed to go daily soon. I have to wonder how much longer QF will fly the 388 to LAX with
40 Legacyins : Both SFO and LAX go daily in May.
41 Airvan00 : ?? what else are they going to fly to LAX? they could put a 747 on the route but why would they do that?. With VA having started and DL coming online
42 Airxliban : I booked myself in First Class using miles to go to JFK from DXB - I hope my flight doesn't get downgraded to a 77W otherwise I'll be really upset!!
43 SQ_EK_freak : One of the best terminals in operation today? While I know this is up for opinion, but I would disagree. Comparative to secondary airports in the reg
44 Lawair : While I agree that BKK doesn't really compare to the likes of SIN, KUL, HKG, or ICN and others, the airports BKK is being compared to here are really
45 BMI727 : Flying a larger plane will give QF an advantage in CASM... provided the seats are filled.
46 DavidYYC : I wonder if there are any other 380 going into Toronto, I dont think so. I bet this will get the spotters pulses racing in YYZ! I find this interestin
47 Threepoint : David, read the various Blue Skies and other open skies agreements and you'll see that Canada has been opened to a number of foreign airlines from al
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