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New Lufthanse Economy Class?  
User currently offlineThegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 192 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12885 times:



Given this picture, is Lufthansa introducing a new Economy class seat to some of its older aircraft? I am a dedicated LH flyer, but I really think it's about time they get their act together an offer their Y class passengers a more consistent product that is competitive with other airline's offerings. (the reason I say competitive is that the A340-600 and A330-300 already offer such a product).

Is LH planning to introduce this seat across its A340-300 and B747-400 fleet? Does anyone have any info?

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User currently offlineJtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12752 times:

Hey,

I was actually wondering the same thing after I saw the photo. These seats are not what they put in the newer Airbus models, which confused me a little because it's not like the seats would need to be different to accommodate a different width plane. I can't vouch for comfort or what the coverings look like (though I am intrigued to see the prominent blue), but I will say that the tray latch looks to be an improvement over those ridiculous ones on the A333/A346 seats, we're they get jammed and can be hard to line up.

Curious to see if anyone can provide insight into why these seats are different from the others!

-J



Regards! JDief
User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Maybe LH introduces PTVs when the A380 comes and sells it as the most innovative Economy invention ever  duck . Or have they introduced them? I haven't followed the statistics on LH PTV and NW DC9 threads recently  Wink

Honestly, though, the A380 introduction seems to be a likely event to introduce a new economy product.


User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12655 times:

The A343 is starting to get AVOD. The seats look a little different than those on the A333/A346.

A333

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A343

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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

But why do they have 2 Y products now?

Why didn't they introduce the same seats on the A343 that they use on the A333 and A346?



And more important, will these new seats introduced on the 744, too?


User currently offlineSpeedbird0125 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12272 times:

My guess is that it's related to a budget problem?
Maybe the one that installed on 343s would be cheaper than the ones on 346s and 333s?
Since economy is really bad recently, I heard that many airlines are having money problems.

[Edited 2009-03-18 11:10:56]

User currently offlineLH470 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12139 times:



Quoting Speedbird0125 (Reply 5):
I heard that many airlines are having money problems.

LH is one of the world's most profitable airlines and certainly has no money problem! In 2008, LH made a profit of EUR 1,3 billion!


LH470



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User currently offlineLanAlemania From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12033 times:



Quoting Thegivenone (Thread starter):
Is LH planning to introduce this seat across its A340-300 and B747-400 fleet?

The A343s should all get PTVs in Economy, while I'd say the 744s are not very likely to get them, as the ROI in this case would probably not be that attractive.
BTW, their website stated that right now, about 40% of the long-haul Y cabins are equipped with PTVs.

All seats in the A346s had "PTV holes" in the back and IFE boxes under them in Y when they got delivered, and were finally updated by filling the gaps with PTVs. The A343s had the old Y seats similar to the 744s and required completely new seats to get space for PTVs. Apparently, the seats in the A343 on the picture shown above are now of blue fabrics which I like much more than the overwhelming grey LH used to have in the Y cabins, on the other side it looks somewhat cheaper. Maybe it's a test run of different seat models for the future A380 Y seat?

Anyway, I'm glad to see LH finally offers more entertainment in the back!


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

I once read somewhere that LH has new y seats for the 380. But because the delay these seats go to LX for the new 333.

User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1714 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

The new seats looked great! So, now I could might consider flying LH on long haul routes. The blue colour on the seats looked great, though does the new seats have the yellow stripes on the backrest, just like F and J?


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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11876 times:



Quoting CARST (Reply 4):
But why do they have 2 Y products now?

Why didn't they introduce the same seats on the A343 that they use on the A333 and A346?

That I would like to know myself.

Is it just me, or do the seats on the A343 look narrower?


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

According to AeroInternational, a reputable German airline magazine, the 748I economy class will feature these seats:

http://www.recaro-as.com/ras/product...class/longrange/cl-3510/index.html



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10587 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
According to AeroInternational, a reputable German airline magazine, the 748I economy class will feature these seats:

Which surely are what you see in the 343? And likely to be what we will see on the LX 333 as well, albeit with different fabric coverings.

This seat is the long-haul version of the one used by LX on their Avros and A32x's and similar/identical to those used by EI, QR and VX in their Y cabins.

Brian.



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User currently offlineBlackredgold From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9370 times:

Well, if you ask me, those seats are still the same old seats, but have undergone a major facelift, including the monitors, new tables and new cloth (blue). However, I think the hint that they are still the old seats is the armrests - they still feature the old channel and volume buttons and the outdated LED display. Take a look...

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9252 times:
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How much longer will LH fly the 744 on their FRA-LAX & SFO flights? It seems for their longer transatlantic flights, they would offer the 346 on both flights instead of just one (This coming Summer one being the 744 the other a 346. previously they flew both LAX-FRA flights with 744s) since there are different products in Y.
Thoughts?


User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8994 times:



Quoting A342 (Reply 11):
According to AeroInternational, a reputable German airline magazine, the 748I economy class will feature these seats:

This design is quite old. QR 332/333/346 have it. NZ 744 & 772 got this kind of seat too.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8870 times:



Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 15):
NZ 744 & 772 got this kind of seat too.

Yeah and those stupid armrests don't retract all the way up, so if you're lucky enough to have empty seat beside you, you can't spread out. Pretty impractical design, especially considering passengers are only getting wider.


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

To get an overview of the progress have a look here:

http://www.mucforum.de/showthread.php?t=19181

It's in German, but is pretty easy to understand


User currently offlineTailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7517 times:

Thanks for the link! Great! Looks like most of the A343 fleet will be complete by the summer.

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