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Kingfisher Sells Remaining A345's

OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3206 posts, RR: 66
Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13216 times:

It appears that Kingfisher has sold all their A245's.

http://www.livemint.com/2009/03/1622...ingfisher-in-course-correctio.html

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

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I know they are not getting their A380s as originally scheduled next year due to the program delays, but I am guessing we'll see a deferment sooner rather then later.

Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3594 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12988 times:

The article is a bit confusing:

"Manufacturer Airbus has sold to West Asian airlines two A340s ordered by the carrier for its foreign routes"

"Aircraft maker Airbus SAS has sold two A340 passenger planes meant for delivery to Kingfisher Airlines Ltd to government buyers in West Asia, an executive at the European plane manufacturer said."

So who is the buyer? An Airline (as per the headline) or a government (as per the text of the article)? And if an Indian says "Western Asia", what area does this cover?

[Edited 2009-03-18 10:01:03]

Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12881 times:

I think that they talking about Govt use.

Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 2):
And if an Indian says "Western Asia", what area does this cover?

West Asia would usually refer to what is better known as the Middle East.... smile

RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4181 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

The article's tenor is very grim with regards to Kingfisher, but it's hard to ignore how its once grand plans have stalled completely.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
I know they are not getting their A380s as originally scheduled next year due to the program delays, but I am guessing we'll see a deferment sooner rather then later.

Or perhaps an outright cancellation. Wasn't there a thread a few weeks ago discussing how rumors in the industry were pointing to at least one customer that was going to can their A380 order?

Bend Over - Here Comes The Change.

N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12769 times:

West Asia could be (acc. wikipedia):

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Cyprus
Gaza
Georgia
Iraq
Israel
Jordan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
Palestine
Yemen

Seems as if the A340 became a very popular Governmental plane, similiar to what the B 707 used to be.

RICARDOAB From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11822 times:

Could the carrier be Armavia as mentioned a few months ago?

Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting RICARDOAB (Reply 7):
Could the carrier be Armavia as mentioned a few months ago?

Good chance, as they have been looking into getting an 340 to go to LA.

The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!

GulfstreamFXR From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

So if he sells the Airbus slots , Do you think he'll sell his G-II as well?

CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 5):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
I know they are not getting their A380s as originally scheduled next year due to the program delays, but I am guessing we'll see a deferment sooner rather then later.

Or perhaps an outright cancellation. Wasn't there a thread a few weeks ago discussing how rumors in the industry were pointing to at least one customer that was going to can their A380 order?

I've heard on the grapevine that they are in the process of doing just that - selling their slots to an existing customer, so I hear.

Fingers crossed it is BA, but I think it is going to be QF.

Re the A345s - these are going to the Omani royal flight so I'm told.

[Edited 2009-03-19 01:08:24]

What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???

N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2315 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 10):
Re the A345s - these are going to the Omani royal flight so I'm told.

Thanks for the information. So we don't have to speculate any longer.
I wonder if they want to replace one of their B 747s (1 x B 747-400, 1x B 747SP):

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Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7666 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 10):
I've heard on the grapevine that they are in the process of doing just that - selling their slots to an existing customer, so I hear.

By selling their slots do you mean that the new customer will increase their order by 5 (meaning that the net sales of the A380 remain the same) or move some of their further away planes forwards for earlier delivery (meaning an overall net of -5 for the A380)?

CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7440 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 10):
I've heard on the grapevine that they are in the process of doing just that - selling their slots to an existing customer, so I hear.

By selling their slots do you mean that the new customer will increase their order by 5 (meaning that the net sales of the A380 remain the same) or move some of their further away planes forwards for earlier delivery (meaning an overall net of -5 for the A380)?

I mean the slots are being sold as new aircraft, to an existing customer, meaning that net orders will not go down, but overall number of users will.

I'm trying to find out where they are going. I'll let you know if i hear anything concrete.

What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???

Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3255 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7330 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
I mean the slots are being sold as new aircraft, to an existing customer, meaning that net orders will not go down, but overall number of users will.

I'm trying to find out where they are going. I'll let you know if i hear anything concrete.

Thanks, the best outcome of a cancellation that we could end with. My thoughts are BA

Burkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

I only hope they will no replace a 74SP - while they are the ideal replacement a 74SP is such a special view.

Cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2425 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 10):
Re the A345s - these are going to the Omani royal flight so I'm told.

My immediate thought was "Um~ Wouldn't it be funny if it was Qatar Amiri who's taking these planes?". Oh well at least they have found a home and will be built.

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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Sad case watching 9W & IT reduce their fleet in trouble times.
regds
MEL.

Think of the brighter side!

Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 2988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Sad case watching 9W & IT reduce their fleet in trouble times.

But better to see them doing that today, so that they're around to watch (and fly on) tomorrow.... Big grin

Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21029 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
Thanks, the best outcome of a cancellation that we could end with. My thoughts are BA

I'm thinking SQ or KE.

Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.

Viasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1813 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3122 times:

One of the Kingfisher A340-500 will go to Tunis Air!!!

Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3594 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

That would be quite a stretch "Western Asia"-wise Smile

FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Viasa , have you a link concerning Tunis Air ?

R2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 20):
One of the Kingfisher A340-500 will go to Tunis Air!!!

Quoting FCKC (Reply 22):
Viasa , have you a link concerning Tunis Air ?

I too have heard the rumor that Airbus was in negotiations with them, is this now almost official?

MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Maybe Tunis Air will get the slots but oman air seems to fit the need for used a/c as their 747's are all used.

KH

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