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JFK Jr. Crash  
User currently offlineJet Joc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 888 times:

What are some of your thoughts about the JFK Jr. crash?

Please explain your reasoning...and don't post replies that are childish. I've seen a few posts like that in these forums.

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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 863 times:

What do you mean thoughts?
Iain


User currently offlineWidebody From Ireland, joined Aug 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 853 times:

From what it seems, he got caught up in conditions he wasn't supposed to be flying in, and the plane ended up in a spiral dive which he couldn't control.......

User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 841 times:

He was also in a new and more sophisticated aircraft and wasn't quit used to it yet. A combination of that and the low visibility caused him to become disoriented, and as result, he lost control and crashed.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 838 times:

He should not have been flying in that weather. But his wife was his downfall when she pushed him to take off late so that he can fly her sister. So he had to wait until 5PM until hi sister in law got off from her job at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter when they could've taken off hours earlier; but by that time he did not know about the weather because the weather report that predicted good weather was hours old. By this time he did not know about the haze. I think he was a total idiot for not getting instrument rated and even taking a flight instructor with him since he was only experinced in clear weather flight. By the way his sister did have an e-ticket on CO but canceled since she could save money by flying with JFK Jr. By the way; There were commercial flights in the Hyannis Port Area that were rerouted or canceled because pilots had problems navigating or flying through the haze which was blinding and could confuse pilots.

If you get caught in it and you're not instrument rated then you won't even know that your flying upsidedown until it's too late.



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineJet Joc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Yeah, I agree with you guys. I heard that he had 90 hours total time. That really isn't enough.

Since it was @ night, can the haze still be blinding??? Use "hazecutters," I do, and I'll never part with mine.

Also, if he didn't have an Instrument Rating and he couldn't see the horizon, why didn't he use his artificial horizon. I'm not rated for instrument flying, but I learned to trust my instruments?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 818 times:

It is very easy for you guys to say he should of, however when the PIC decisions are your you will realise how tough they are. Every pilot has made decisions where you look back and think that was pretty dumb!
Just remember that when you start of flying you have a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience, what you want to do is fill up the bag of experience before your luck starts to run out!
Iain


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 808 times:

From what I have read, it was bascially another story of an inexperienced pilot flying nighttime VFR in somewhat marginal conditions. Unfortunately this is a somewhat common accident cause too. I thought he had more than just 90 hours... I thought it was in the range of 200 or so. And he was new to the plane he was flying. He had recently bought the Saratoga he was flying in at the time of the accident.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 799 times:

The other factor is that if JFK jr did not listen to his wife urging him to take her sister in law then he would be alive today. So they had to delay their take off from Teterboro in New Jersey; Their intended take off time was in the early afternoon; but since the sister got off work at 5PM. The piper did not take off until early in the night. But by this time the haze was already setting in. A flight instructor did offer to go with him. But he turned down the offer. This accident unfortioantly was the cause of pilot inexperience/error. His mother Jacki Kennedy Onasis was always protective of her son because she had predicted that her son would die because he was doing something risky. While she was alive until she died of cancer in late 1994 she had objected of him in anything sport or activity that woul seroisly injure or kill him. But little to her knowledge he was taking flight lesson while in college. Of course he never told his mom because she would freak out. Who knew that this would come true except for his mom. :'-( Very sad for them indeed.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 797 times:

Wasn't his leg also in a cast? and wasn't he on pain medication for that?
Iain


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 783 times:

Yes he was on medication and that his leg was placed in a cast days before the flight.


"FUIMUS"
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