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New BDL B Terminal  
User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

Good morning everyone. I have been trying to find out what the new B term at BDL is suppose to look like. Does anyone have a web link that provides such info. I know AA and AC are suppose to move over to A term by the end of the year. Or that is what I have been told. I would think that there would be design plans ready by now

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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

I don't think there's going to be a new B Terminal, we're only going to have the A terminal. (east and west concourses)

About the move of AA and AC, the word is by October the move should get done, but you never know with the constructions going on.



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6385 times:
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If you venture out to BDL, there is a model of the airport that is currently placed in the temporary hallway between the Terminal A construction and the term B connector. It shows a new third concourse to the west of the old terminal A. This model concourse is about the size of the current east concourse. It also shows an expansion of the current terminal A parking garage.

I think the new third concourse will happen some day but probably not for a very long time. Without it there would be no room for any new airlines since there would be, at most, one or two gates left once American and AC move into terminal A.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6359 times:

Looking at the BDL website, under the Strategic Plan 2009 I got this:

Quote:
In addition to any future constraints that may be imposed by the capacity of the national air traffic control and airport systems, future growth in airline traffic will, in the long term, depend on the provision of increased capacity at the Airport.

While the ongoing construction in the north section of Terminal A is nearly complete, the Master Plan calls for the demolition of the Murphy Terminal and new terminal construction in its place including 24 new gates. There are no runway capacity constraints that would adversely affect future development of the airport.

The Master Plan describes the facilities required for the next 20 years to meet projected activity levels. The master plan has evaluated preliminary alternatives, terminal expansion, and supporting projects. In the later elements of the master plan study, a series of facility projects within the preferred alternative will be subjected to an environmental review, detailed capital cost estimates, and financial feasibility tests.




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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6365 times:



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 2):
I think the new third concourse will happen some day but probably not for a very long time. Without it there would be no room for any new airlines since there would be, at most, one or two gates left once American and AC move into terminal A.

I would think that the construction of the third concourse would happen rather soon? Not doing it would leave no room for future airline service. B6 etc.... And more international ops. were they planning on tearing down the Murphy terminal and leaving just a hole in the ground for years to come?


User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

What exactly is the current construction doing? A few more gates?

User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6306 times:



Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 4):
were they planning on tearing down the Murphy terminal and leaving just a hole in the ground for years to come?

I think that's whats happening for the next couple of years. Even the current construction has gone way too long, they were supposed to be finished last year with everything, now they might even push it to first quarter of 2010.



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User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6288 times:
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Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 4):
were they planning on tearing down the Murphy terminal and leaving just a hole in the ground for years to come?

Pretty much!

Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 5):
What exactly is the current construction doing? A few more gates?

Currently they are raising the roof of the old Terminal A to match that of the new east concourse. The exterior architecture will match that of the west concourse. Currently, this requires blocking off gate 22.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

My big question is how are they going to bring any new carriers with virtually no avail gates? Unless gates are to be shared. I presume that anything larger than a 757 requires a gate on the very end of a concourse?

User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6157 times:
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Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 8):
My big question is how are they going to bring any new carriers with virtually no avail gates? Unless gates are to be shared. I presume that anything larger than a 757 requires a gate on the very end of a concourse?

There's a few existing A gates that should fit 767s, but BDL has no pax service (and probably won't) of any planes larger than a 757 anyway these days. I don't think any A gates are A330/777 capable, even gates 9/10/11 at the end of the east pier. They require blocking other gates.

I agree that a new concourse is needed for the airport in the long term, but it will probably be delayed. BDL has been on a massive contraction as of late. Year over year pax numbers have been brutal.

The only carriers that are potentials are B6, maybe FL (they've already tried and pulled out before), VX (unlikely), maybe F9 comes back. If DL were to start service to CDG or American to LHR, they would use 757 equipment.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6134 times:



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 9):
I agree that a new concourse is needed for the airport in the long term, but it will probably be delayed. BDL has been on a massive contraction as of late. Year over year pax numbers have been brutal.

That is certainly true. However it would be a great source of construction job's! Also when things turn around it would be great to have the capacity in place ready for use. Rather than to have an airline say " we are relay interested in bdl but are going to have to take a pass because of the lack of infrastructure". Or something like that anyways.

After the consolidation how many unused gates will there be anyway?


User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6109 times:
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One, two tops. Gate 22 will be blocked until the construction is complete.

The current unused gates are 5 and 7 in the East concourse (old NW gates) and 22 (blocked by construction), 24, 25 (no jetway) in the old terminal A. I think Gate 26 may also be unused, but I can't recall.

For reference, AC Jazz/AirAlliance use one gate in terminal B. American has six gates.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6095 times:



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 11):
American has six gates

imagine they are eager to downsize now that they have 5 mainline and 5 RJ flights per day



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22911 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6026 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
imagine they are eager to downsize now that they have 5 mainline and 5 RJ flights per day

It's more like 8 RJ flights, though that's not the reason they likely need 3 gates . The issue is the 5 RONs.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

I bet you could work 2 RJ's out of one gate at the same time if need be.

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

wasn't DL using 767 at some point I think it was BDL-JFK-CDG route.I would imagine most traditional carriers reduce their operations to RJ, especially AA.

User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5913 times:
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Quoting WROORD (Reply 15):
wasn't DL using 767 at some point I think it was BDL-JFK-CDG route.I would imagine most traditional carriers reduce their operations to RJ, especially AA.

DL ran the 767s before they moved into terminal A, but even with their position at terminal A I believe they have one 767 capable gate (9?).



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User currently offlineBdl2stl2pvg From China, joined Jun 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

When the Murphy terminal is razed, will the newer section (what used to be called the International wing) remain. As I recall, in the recent history, Southwest had their operations there. While not great, it certainly could allow another 3 gates or so for modest expansion.

User currently offlineDvincent From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
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Quoting Bdl2stl2pvg (Reply 17):
When the Murphy terminal is razed, will the newer section (what used to be called the International wing) remain. As I recall, in the recent history, Southwest had their operations there. While not great, it certainly could allow another 3 gates or so for modest expansion.

The gates/ticket counter are currently mothballed but this area is used for extra overnight aircraft parking currently.

I can't see these two jetways being used in revenue service though as this area would be destroyed when building a new terminal.

I may book a ticket on American out of BDL just to get one last go out of B before it's closed. Unfortunately I don't see any "going away" tours happening.



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User currently offlineAirlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5771 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 12):
imagine they are eager to downsize now that they have 5 mainline and 5 RJ flights per day

Didn't they used to fly to San Juan using A310 from BDL? I could be wrong!


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5768 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
It's more like 8 RJ flights, though that's not the reason they likely need 3 gates . The issue is the 5 RONs.

5 RONS can be handled with 2 gates if the times work out, WN has like 10 RONs at PVD with 4 gates.

Based on the June sched, looks like 4 RONS:

0610 - MIA Gate 1
0635 - RDU Gate 2
0700 - DFW Gate 1
0735 - ORD Gate 2 ( could possibly park both ERJs at one gate)
1125 - RDU Gate 1
1145 - STL Gate 2
1320 - DFW Gate 1
1320 - ORD Gate 2
1520 - STL Gate 1
1620 - ORD Gate 2
1710 - RDU Gate 1
1750 - DFW Gate 2



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Didn't DL and EA fly L-1011's out of BDL?


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5663 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
0610 - MIA Gate 1
0635 - RDU Gate 2
0700 - DFW Gate 1
0735 - ORD Gate 2 ( could possibly park both ERJs at one gate)
1125 - RDU Gate

I forgot to add SJU which is an 8:15 am departure, so it still works.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22911 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5642 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 20):
5 RONS can be handled with 2 gates if the times work out,

 checkmark ...until you have an aircraft go m/x. Then, it's a problem.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4662 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5625 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
...until you have an aircraft go m/x. Then, it's a problem.

Well they could do 3 gates, I was just showing that they could do 2. With mostl flights being RJ's its not difficult to push one of those off to the side if need be, or have multiple RJs parked at one gate. The morning mainline flights are each over an hour apart.



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25 Cubsrule : Regardless, it's pretty clear that they don't need six.
26 Zrs70 : Indeed they did. UA also ran DC-10's into BDL. AA had an A300 at one point as well.
27 Dvincent : They did, back when they were at B terminal and had gates large enough for the L10s. UA also flew DC-10s at times in to the A terminal. Also, I think
28 Sectflyer : Well we are all here second guessing the BDL higher ups. And yes I started it! I would presume that the issues that have been raised as to trying to i
29 28L28L : It's interesting how the airport (terminals) has migrated to the south since the newer terminals first were opened starting in the mid 80s. The relati
30 CairnTerriAIR : EA and DL both indeed flew L-1011's out of BDL. DL operated them to ATL, as well as on a BOS-BDA routing, and EA flew them BOS-SJU as well as to MIA a
31 Dvincent : The 767s haven't been seen in about five years, and the A300 shipped off in 2007. No pax widebodies since. Tis a bummer.
32 Fjnovak1 : I flew a 767 into BDL from Atlanta in the fall of 2005, so I know they were there at least there in the fall of 2005. In fact in 2005 the RON from bot
33 Afitch7881 : I think you mean American. There is a old picture of a American 747-100 flying BDL-ORD in the 70's.
34 BDL2STL2PVG : I do not recall UA having regular 747 service at any time. AA did have service very briefly in 1973 IIRC. It was routed BDL-JFK-LAX and it departed a
35 28L28L : AA's Summer 1973 schedule had: AA17 BDL-JFK-SFO (747), and AA14 SFO-JFK-BDL (747)
36 BDL2STL2PVG : Thanks. You have filled a gap. I clearly remember seeing the flight and never had the timetable to verify the routing. If you would, could you provid
37 CactusBDL : Gate 26 is used for a US RON
38 DCA-ROCguy : From AA July 1, 1973 timetable: BDL-JFK Flt 17 10:05a--10:48a 747 JFK-SFO Flt 17 12:00p--2:37p 747 SFO-JFK Flt 14 9:00a--5:18p 747 JFK-BDL Flt 14 6:15
39 28L28L : The AA 747 did spend the night at BDL in the Summer of '73. In August of that year AA and a local radio station (WRCH) had a joint event where for a d
40 WROORD : wasn't LH flying into BDL from FRA, or was that just a code-share flight.
41 BDL2STL2PVG : I know that Condor actually flew into BDL in the early half of the 1970's. I believe that prior to establishing their proposed somewhat regular chart
42 28L28L : People Mover monorail? Where is that?
43 BDL2STL2PVG : It was built around 1973. As I recall, it look very much like the monorail rails at Disney. Concrete pillars with the preformed concrete base for the
44 CairnTerriAIR : You can actually see the end station of the never run people mover still standing on the upper level of the Murphy Terminal. It is leftmost where the
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