Critter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 977 times:
Boeing has formally discussed the possability of producing the B717-100, eighty passenger aircraft. They were doing demand studies as well as design feasability.
A better option in my opinion is to stretch the Basic 717-200 to the MD-80 size and call it the B717-300. Airtran has already publicaly stated that they would be intrested in this version, that would seat around 120-140. I am sure that airlines such as Midwest Express may also be intrested in a longer range higher capacity variant in the future as well. I do not know for sure but would be willing to bet that Boeing is currently doing feasability studies on it.
Woodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1023 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 973 times:
If Boeing doesnt intend to develop the 717 further they might as well pull the plug on it right now. In light of the recent orders (Midwest Express) and the fact that American is going to take delivery of the TWA aircraft I would say that the liklihood of seeing further 717 deveolpment is good.
Other airlines like Scandinavian who are picking up 2nd hand MD-90s and MD-80s might also be a good launch customer for a 717-300. There are alot of MD80s out there still with their original operators who, if they have been satisfied would probably like to keep fleet comonality and type ratings with a larger 717.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 965 times:
On Boeing's web site, it says that they are looking into a stretched 717-300, and a shrunk 717-100. The 717-300 would probably hold 120-140 pax, replacing DC-9-40's and -50's. The 717-100 would be a 70-80 seater.
Mr. 717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 944 times:
The only thing that I Know is that the -300 is going to have a farther range and it's goeing to be stretched allot! There is also talk about a -100 that would have long range but it would be shrunk a bit!
IFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 931 times:
717-100, maybe. 717-300, probably not. Seattle is VERY protective of their 737 product line and they do not like the thought of a Long Beach product cutting into that market.
There is increased interest in the -100, but Boeing is reluctant to launch the derivative without ~50 firm orders in hand. The only hope for the -300 would be if a major or semi-major carrier that already has (or consiering ordering) -200s and demands 100% commonality within the fleet. This is where Airbus steps-in immediately.
In the case of Midwest Express, they are going to use the 717s to replace their DC-9 fleet, but the -200 is not a replacement for their MD-80s. The -300 would be bigger and have longer range (which the -200 sux at), but not quite the capacity of an MD-80. It all depends on how large an aircraft they want to operate.
If Boeing goes ahead with the -100, they will use the first 717 test aircraft (T1). Yep they will chop it and put it back together again. A decision on the project (either way) is still probably many months away.
NY-JFK-LGA From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 910 times:
If Boeing refrains from developing a 713 just because they want to protect thier precious 737 product, they're flat out stupid. How could they not do it even if they make the money from it? That really is pretty stupid if that's why they won't want to make it. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the 713 would be very much sought after by airlines.
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6102 posts, RR: 11 Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 905 times:
I think that the 717 is slowly picking up speed and I can imagina a 717-300 being as succesful as the MD-80 . It would be diected to replace the MD-80 but I would have my doubts on the 717-100 . Is Boeing really sure that they want to get into the regional jet arena???
IFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 891 times:
The 717-200 is as close to a regional jet as you can get, while still being considered a "jet airliner". The -100 WOULD be a regional jet (~80 seats). However, if Boeing DOES want to get into this market, they better hurry as new competition is on the horizon.
Regarding the -300, it would have to be one hell of an airline deal for Boeing to spend the money to develop, flight test, and certify it. It just isn't going to happen...
Ejaymd11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 888 times:
NY-JFK-LGA That sounds just like Boeing. I think that was "one" reason the MD-11 was cancelled. It competed with the 777, and 767.
Remeber the 737 is the best selling aircraft, the MD-80 was second. Why comprimise their position when they could ensure their place. Cancel the MD-80. The 737 is Boeing's pride
IFlyADesk From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 877 times:
Not quite correct ejay. Toward the end, the M11 was selling well as a freighter. However, Boeing had not developed a 777F (and still hasn't). The M11F filled the gap between smaller freighters and the 744F. I guess I understand their point after the "merger", as the line rate to build M11Fs could not support keeping the production line profitable.
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 875 times:
Stretching the 717 to come up with a 130 seater pushes the 717 into a market currently hadnled by 73G's. I dont think Boeing would want to create competition for its own products.
The 73G's are in a slightly different league due to its different operating structure and longer range, but still many carriers might choose the cheaper 713's. Boeing would definitely not want to lose any share of its premium product!
The 717-100 though is a good idea IMO. If it were my airline, i could have a fleet of 80-seaters to 200 seaters(739's) frm the same mfr.