KSBD From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 41 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
Is it possible to run a successful helicopter air service?
I was thinking somthing along the lines of a large "chinook type" helicopter (maybe even a civilian V-22, if ever created) with a customed passenger-friendly interior. The target passenger market could be business to no frills, but the coinvenience of landing and departing at smaller provisional airports could help out (especially when the economy rebounds) and mean more business for those airports.
Is this a possibility or are their restrictions for such an operation?
There is. It's called the Bell Augusta 609. It is smaller than a V-22 and is being marketed as a business aircraft. According to Wikipedia, they have 80 orders and certification will be in 2010.
As for the airline, I don't think that helicopters or tilitrotors will be used for flights other than short shuttles like in New York. They may eventually be used for longer flights, say from the heliport in Manhattan to a heliport in Boston, but such services will most likely be used only by business travelers who are short on time.
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HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2499 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7144 times:
It's been tried in the past. LA Airways ran a variety of Sikorsky's around the Los Angeles basin in the 1960's. It failed for a variety of reasons, including high cost and a couple of crashes. The problem is that today the range of a helicopter puts it at a disadvantage against cars on freeways. For the cost of a helicopter ride (many, many times that of a car), you don't gain much time agains a car making the same trip.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23169 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7136 times:
Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 2): Helijet in Vancouver seems like they are doing well, they fly to Victoria as well as charters and medivacs. They also have a Learjet doing Medivacs.
You need a market with plenty of business traffic that can support high fares to offset the high operating costs of helicopters. Helijet's primary operation has always been the significant business and government traffic between downtown Vancouver and downtown Victoria (capital city of British Columbia). They're willing to pay fares over $100 one way for a 50 mile flight to avoid the time-consuming trip to/from the airports at both ends or the even longer ferry trip. They also have competition from a couple of scheduled float-plane operators between Vancouver Harbour and Victoria Harbour but they're more prone to weather-related delays.
Not many many other scheduled helicopter services have surivived as long as Helijet (23 years).
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15080 posts, RR: 26 Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
There are a few conditions that need to be met in order for a helicopter shuttle to be successful.
1. There needs to be a metro area (or two) that is rather large and can generate significant traffic. This can't just be any traffic either, it must be business travelers who are willing to pay a premium.
2. Ground transport within/between the metro area(s) must be rather difficult or inconvenient. (like New York)
3. The metro area(s) must be too large / far apart for efficient ground transport but short enough to a) be within range for the helicopters and b) not have traditional air service between them.
4. In a case with two cities, one of them must also have limited or no air service for one reason or another, making it difficult to access one of the cities. (like Vancouver and Victoria)
5.The cost must be reasonable for at least the high end travelers no matter how inefficient ground transport is.
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Threepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
Do any scheduled operations count? If so, there are numerous helicopter companies offering services to oil platforms in the North Sea, Grand Banks, Gulf of Mexico among other places. Granted, most services are not available to the public, but the companies are for all intents run exactly like a regular airline, complete with flight numbers.
With two recent crashes this past month (one happy ending, the other not so much), many more people are now aware of these operations.
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KSBD From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7085 times:
How about something starting along the lines of inter-California? Something like helicopter hubs in San Diego, LA and the Bay Area with connections between the hubs using jet service.
That would saturate that airlines market with all kinds of business travelers and those that can't or wont bother driving. Traffic is only getting worse on our freeways and helicopter services that cater to the business traveler will take hundreds of cars off the road, plus create jobs for helicopter pilots.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23169 posts, RR: 23 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7060 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10): 4. In a case with two cities, one of them must also have limited or no air service for one reason or another, making it difficult to access one of the cities. (like Vancouver and Victoria)
Victoria has plenty of air service. AC and Jazz alone operate 18 daily flights each way on the 39 mile sector between Vancouver and Victoria airports. But many of the day-trip business travellers prefer the faster downtown to downtown helicopter service
Chapavaeaa From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6837 times:
There used to be an operation in Houston back in the early 1980's with 222's (I think) operating between Hobby, the Galleria and IAH.
The other one I'm fairly familiar with was the operation that ran out of DCA to several locations in the District of Columbia in the mid-late 1980's. I don't recall their name but I think they had a Capitol Dome on their logo. I can't ever see that operation allowed again due to 9/11 concerns but it was a great way to see the city.
Flypig687 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6817 times:
Quoting MHG (Reply 13): 6)
USA: New York / Manhattan Heliports to various N.Y. airports plus a daily service to Bridgeport,CT (BDR)
This route is served by US Helicopter (flying S-76's) and goes to BDR, JFK, the 34th st Heliport and EWR. Also they have cooperation with Delta and you can check in for your flight and everything from the heliport before you get to JFK.
Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6795 times:
There used to be an operation in the Bay Area back in the 60's-70's called SFO Helicopter which operated from SFO to OAK, SJC, downtown San Francisco, downtown Oakland, Marin County, Berkley, and a few other locations.
Andaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6564 times:
Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 6): There's also Copterline in finland, flying Helsinki - Tallinn. They use Agusta AW.139s, but had also used Sikorsky S-76s in the past.
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 8): Sadly they stopped the service in late 2008. Hopefully it'll be back again one day, but after the high profile crash they struggled.
Yes it's really sad they they stopped the service, I flew them last August and enjoyed it. Their idea was to provide affordable heli service between Helsinki and Tallinn but unfortunately the economical recession, especially in Estonia, hit them too hard.
TripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1082 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6545 times:
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Quoting Andaman (Reply 23): Yes it's really sad they they stopped the service, I flew them last August and enjoyed it. Their idea was to provide affordable heli service between Helsinki and Tallinn but unfortunately the economical recession, especially in Estonia, hit them too hard.
Yeah. I was really looking forward to flying them one day and the prices (checked them in November I think) were not all that high... is their SAR arm still flying, or have they axed that as well?
No plane, no gain.
25 Andaman: Yes they have three? SAR bases in Finland. Hopefully Helsinki-Tallinn route gets the heli service back one day, the 18 min flight must be the shortes
26 Isitsafenow: We had LA Airways, mentioned above and CHA, Chicago Helicopter Air in the late 50's-early 60's. They used old S-58's and a couple of crashes shut them
27 Moose135: For years now, I've thought an Osprey-type aircraft would be great for a Northeast shuttle operation, connecting downtown to downtown between NYC, Ph
28 Jetstar: I think there was even a prototype STOL airplane flying that was going to be used for this service, and I believe for a while it was painted up in EA
29 MHG: Sorry, but at least on last tuesday BS was still operating out of PZE ... (I was there but due to Fog on the Scilly´s ops started around 1pm and i c
30 Viscount724: It was the French Breguet 941, promoted in conjunction with McDonnell-Douglas in the U.S. where it was called the McDonnell-Douglas 188. There were n
31 PlymSpotter: Very interesting, just before Christmas they left PZE (along with many protests from the islanders on Scilly) and started flying from Lands End. Ther
32 Wjcandee: You guys probably remember New York Airways, which used to land on the Pan Am building in Manhattan with a 7-minute flight from JFK, with the price in
33 VV701: In August 1988 I flew from LHR to Malmo. My flight, BA808 in a 733, flew LHR-CPH where most passengers disembarked before it flew on on the 30 mile ho
34 Jetstar: Thanks Viscount744 for the picture, that’s the airplane and proves I wasn’t just dreaming. Just a little trivia about the S-61 helicopter involved
35 Wjcandee: Classic New York approach to a problem. Alternative is to pay to rig slings over the side. VERY expensive,complex and requires zillions of permits an
36 MHG: I had booked a dayreturn on Skybus´s Twinotter NQY-ISC and a dayreturn ISC-PZE-ISC on BS. Weather at NQY was already good around 8am ... I was alrea
37 Beeweel15: You also have US Helicopter currently in NYC http://www.flyush.com/
38 RICARIZA: Is it considered as an Helicopter or more as a plane?
39 FlySSC: HELI AIR PARIS used also to operate several Daily services between ORY and CDG until the early 90s. Back in 1953, SABENA started scheduled helicopter
40 SASDC8: It is actually operated by Lufttransport now. Flew it in September, when they also flew to RET, and I must say it is a great way to travel and I woul