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Virgin America Now Charges Fee For First Bag  
User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8249 times:

VX has changed its fees and now charges $15 for the first checked bag. The fees for the second and third bags, however, will drop to $15 from $25 and $50, respectively. Main cabin select passengers still get one bag for free.

The full story can be found here

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...009/03/19/financial/f080627D96.DTL

Well, there goes another holdout. Is WN now the only large US carrier that doesn't charge for the first bag?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8251 times:



Quoting LDIkaros (Thread starter):
Is WN now the only large US carrier that doesn't charge for the first bag?

Alaska does not charge for a first bag (though they do for the second).


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8218 times:

charging for a first bag is just stupid, if they really have to then just add $15 to every ticket but don't nickel and dime us for the first bag, I can understand charging for the second or third bag but that's just ridiculous to charge for the first bag.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8212 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
charging for a first bag is just stupid, if they really have to then just add $15 to every ticket but don't nickel and dime us for the first bag, I can understand charging for the second or third bag but that's just ridiculous to charge for the first bag.

I'd rather not pay an extra $30 per ticket if I wasn't flying on a carrier that I get the bag fee waived on. I try to avoid checking bags at all costs, and travel quite a bit, so that $30 would add up to something in the vicinity of $700 saved a year for me. $700 is a pretty good chunk of change...


User currently offlineSkytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

Well it's about time! The public needs to start paying for the actual cost of transporting a passenger and their luggage from point A to B.


Lower your expectations! You will always be pleasantly surprised!
User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8191 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
charging for a first bag is just stupid, if they really have to then just add $15 to every ticket but don't nickel and dime us for the first bag, I can understand charging for the second or third bag but that's just ridiculous to charge for the first bag.

 checkmark 

This will be my first year having to pay to check a bag (dodged YX's fees last year as I bought my ticket early enough). I generally check in two "bags" - my luggage and a four-foot white tube that has my fishing pole and two shirts in it to keep the pole from bouncing everywhere. If I were to not change anything, I'd have to pay a whopping $80 round trip to check everything in! So now I have to find a bag that the fishing rod would fit in (hopefully the duffel bags we have) or borrow my mom's rollerboard from when she was an FA, stuff all my clothes and stuff in there, and just check in the white tube (throw in the toiletries over 3 ounces in there for noise  devil  ), but that would be a hassle lugging everywhere, and I'd much prefer to carry my messenger bag as it holds my books and stuff, and actually fits underneath a window seat!

I hate bag fees, and I've yet to fully experience it!



Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8174 times:



Quoting Skytony (Reply 4):

And then start charging for the use of lavatories because we all know it costs the airlines money to service them.

These fees are getting pretty ridiculous with service at an all time low. Just makes me wish that WN flew out of Atlanta. DL will always be my carrier of choice but i'm so disappointed. Surprisingly, my recent change fee was LESS on Spirit than what it would have been on Delta. $150; come one.

At least with Sprit, they let you know up front that they are el cheapo and it's a la cart but they have never failed me on getting to the Caribbean on the lowest fare...



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8157 times:



Quoting LDIkaros (Thread starter):
Main cabin select passengers still get one bag for free.

Bit confused..Do you mean First Class get one bag for free?

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
if they really have to then just add $15 to every ticket but don't nickel and dime us for the first bag

Well, the difference is the airlines are NOT lowering the ticket prices regardless if they are charging for the bags or not. So that 15 extra doesn't make too much of a difference.

It isn't going ok..

200 dollars for ticket price including the bag check. Oh we are gonna start charging for the bag now..

200 dollars plus 15 bucks for the bag, instead of 200-15=new ticket price.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Don't blame the airlines fellas, it's the economy. If the airlines had the possibility, they would offer you everything in the world, all kinds of services, but you basically get what you pay for in these bad times of economy.

Majority of customers expect cheap fares, which in my opinion, most of the times they're ridiculously cheap (the fares) and yet when you have to pay 15 bucks to check a bag, they almost have a heart attack. (even the business people, who I'm sure are not hurting for the $15 fee, if they can eat at restaurants, etc)



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8104 times:
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Quoting DL767captain (Reply 2):
charging for a first bag is just stupid, if they really have to then just add $15 to every ticket but don't nickel and dime us for the first bag, I can understand charging for the second or third bag but that's just ridiculous to charge for the first bag.

 checkmark  checkmark  checkmark  checkmark . I will be flying Southwest and Southwest only after my previous flights with NW and UA.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 3):
I'd rather not pay an extra $30 per ticket if I wasn't flying on a carrier that I get the bag fee waived on. I try to avoid checking bags at all costs, and travel quite a bit

Unfortunately, this is why there is no room for my carry on anymore either.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 8):
it's the economy.

These all started when fuel went through the roof, but now that fuel is <$50 a barrel the fees are getting worse.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8050 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 9):
These all started when fuel went through the roof, but now that fuel is <$50 a barrel the fees are getting worse.

The fuel has gone down but so has the economy and with that so has the business travel on most of the airlines therefore each and every single one of them (at least here int the US) is hurting from the whole economic deal.



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User currently offlineLDIkaros From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 8050 times:



Quoting Skytony (Reply 4):
Well it's about time! The public needs to start paying for the actual cost of transporting a passenger and their luggage from point A to B.

I agree. But do it upfront not by the nickel-and-dime method. These extra fees are more than annoying. I'd rather pay more for the ticket and fly a carrier that provides good service for the paid price than fly a carrier that charges me for this and that and makes me feel cheated.

All these extra fees are part of the continuing downward spiral for US-based carriers. I avoid these carriers like the plaque.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 7):


Quoting LDIkaros (Thread starter):
Main cabin select passengers still get one bag for free.

Bit confused..Do you mean First Class get one bag for free?

Main cabin select is not first class but something akin to premium economy. First class passengers can check in 2 bags free of charge.


User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7951 times:
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This whole policy industry wide is STUPID!

Even though an airline charges for your checked bag, there is no guarantee the bag is going to arrive with you at your destination - your bag still runs the risk of getting lost or delayed.

Secondly, like someone mentioned, all the overhead bin space gets full! It takes longer to board the flight because people have to find room to stow all the crap they bring.

I can't count how many times I've seen a pax hit, run over, or drop carry-ons onto another pax with their belongings while trying to store their items.

That leads me to my next question. It's called TRAVELING! Why do people insist on bring their entire household with them when they fly!?

It makes me sick to think about how inconvenient and unpleasant flying has become.


User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7916 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 7):
Bit confused..Do you mean First Class get one bag for free?

Both. First Class, and Main Cabin Select (E+)


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 7916 times:
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Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
Alaska does not charge for a first bag (though they do for the second).

I don't think HA charges for the first bag either.


User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7877 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
I don't think HA charges for the first bag either.

It seems as though they do:

For travel within the Continental USA or between the Continental USA and Hawaii:

Checked Bag

Per Piece Charge (Each way)
First
$15.00
Second
$25.00
Third - Sixth (per piece) $100.00
Seventh or any additional $200.00

http://www.hawaiianair.com/Aboutus/Pages/Carriage_full.aspx

It may still be free when flying within Hawaii.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

The main thing here I think that is worth mentioning is VX always touts their "non-legacy" approach and the fact that their biz plan was solid. If they need to charge for first checked bag then something is not adding up and they are failing on that initial promise of being "different."

If a few airlines in the country don't feel the need to charge for a first bag, then VX is tagging along with rest of the nickel and dimers. Even if the end result is a cheaper ticket with checked bag....they are still giving that image that it is nickel and diming.

I don't see SRB making some flashy announcement about this change...and that's what really bothers me because he is adamant about promoting the things that make them "different," but they have now stooped to the level of most legacy airlines themselves.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Quoting LDIkaros (Reply 11):
First class passengers can check in 2 bags free of charge.

But if you factor in the cost of the first class ticket, the passenger probably paid $50 to 100 for each checkin bags.

[Edited 2009-03-20 01:06:17]


Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineHrvhow1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

For those of you who don't notice. There are ways of avoiding the baggage fee. Virgin and Frontier Airlines offer a fare that allows you to check baggage for free. Try booking on the airlines website, you will be better advised of fare rules and policies on fees if you avoid the Online Travel Website who are not required to advise you of other fees.

For those of you who want to fly Southwest because you have to pay for a bag. Enjoy the lack of flexibility of a seating request. Interline Baggage Capability, the ability to rebook you on other carriers in the event of a delay or cancellation( With a Few Exceptions).

Southwest may be able to avoid baggage fees because its business plan is simple, however, the product Virgin America, and others cannot be maintained with paltry fares.


User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3012 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

With this additional charge, VX has also lowered its change fee. That's refreshing at leas!

Quoting LDIkaros (Thread starter):
Is WN now the only large US carrier that doesn't charge for the first bag?

AS and B6 do not charge for first bags as well.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 888 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7452 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 8):
Don't blame the airlines fellas, it's the economy.

No, it’s the passengers fault. It is accepted if not expected by the passenger. Passengers do not complain and they do not let it effect their decision when purchasing a ticket.

When passengers have disliked an airlines decision, it has either been reversed or never implemented.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7385 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 7):
Well, the difference is the airlines are NOT lowering the ticket prices regardless if they are charging for the bags or not. So that 15 extra doesn't make too much of a difference.

Exactly! These airlines are using the bag fees as an excuse to charge more money.

I read an article where an AA executive was bragging about how the bag fees were not about lowering ticket prices; rather, they were about increasing fares AND fees at the same time. How arrogant and selfish of them!

I'm flying AA in May (SGF-DFW-BWI-DFW-SGF) and they charged me well over $500 r/t! I would've flown WN, but they don't fly to SGF and I am unable to get to MCI or STL. And, on top of that $500, they'll still charge me bag fees!

I'm sorry, but if I pay well over $500 r/t for a domestic ticket, I shouldn't have to pay bag fees. I am going to try to do a carry-on (but, of course, they won't fit in the tiny overhead bins on the ERJs from SGF-DFW!).

I won't even get free snacks on AA! Come on! This is ridiculous! For $500, I'd expect a bit more.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15812 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

The thing is that is the bag fee really worth it? After all, now everyone tries to make everything a carryon, screw around for a half hour trying to stow everything, and then end up checking them at the gate where they go in the same hold as the paid bags. The whole thing sounds okay in theory, but isn't that effective in practice.


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineN757kw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

If the airlines were smart, they would give discounts instead of adding additional charges. No bags, $15 off the fare, don't want airline airline food $10 off, don't care where you sit on the plane $10 off, so on and so forth.

Americans like discounts. You pay a fare that includes everything. If you don't want something you can take it out of the fare.

N757KW



"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
User currently offlineDeltaT7 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 42 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Well, I guess I won't be flying VX SAN-SFO anymore! Back to WN for me. VX has a great product, it's a shame to see them turning into UAL, CO, AA etc.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
I don't think HA charges for the first bag either.

HA does charge for the first bag, and $5 in coach to watch the movie!



As someone told me lately, everyone deserves a chance to fly.....
25 F9Animal : Which really makes no sense to charge for a first bag. As long as it is within the weight and dimension limits, the first and even second bag should
26 Hrc773 : Surveys and focus groups have all concluded that passengers prefer to keep the ticket price low. It's annoying to be nickel and dimed like that but I'
27 Jetstar : Unless you are traveling on a long trip, the average person should be able to fly a 2 or 3 day trip with just carry on luggage to avoid these charges.
28 DeltaT7 : WN is still doing well, so obviously these downsides aren't that bad for the majority of people who fly them. I personally don't mind the lack of sea
29 UALFAson : I couldn't agree more! I spent 4 weeks traveling across Europe with just a standard-sized roll aboard. It can be done. I very, very rarely check a ba
30 ExFATboy : No business makes a big splash about bad news, and with the investor issues at VX and Alaska's challenge to their ownership, I'd don't expect to see
31 Post contains links PHLBOS : As well as here: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE52I5FQ20090320 From the above-link (lamest statement of all IMHO): "Because we
32 Psa188 : Everybody needs to write to VX and tell them that nickel-and-diming customers is not the way to go. Airlines should charge one honest fare and elimina
33 Vatveng : When some airlines started the 2nd bag fee, I thought it was not a bad idea as long as the fee was low enough that it didn't gouge someone who truly n
34 Chrisair : This isn't a huge issue, in my experience. On many routes, WN has flights leaving very frequently that a cancellation/delay is just a matter of waiti
35 AUSisAwesome : B6 does not charge for the 1st checked bag. It says clearly on their website. "Jetting is First Checked Bag Free."
36 Theflcowboy : I love how people say that this "now forces the public to pay the actual cost of transportation." People will find a way around paying the first bay f
37 Jetstar : I agree, it now takes longer to board because more passengers are carrying their luggage with them. Its fun to watch, especially as the last persons
38 Aviators99 : Just a note (for comparison purposes): VX's first bag weight limit is 70 lbs.
39 MAH4546 : And you can check in three bags on VX for $45, which is only $5 more than it costs on most airlines. This could be big incentive for certain vacation
40 PlaneInsomniac : I disagree. It is about time airlines stopped lying about their ticket prices instead of creating a system of irrelevant "virtual prices" in order to
41 FghtngsiouxATC : Plain stupid! In the long run it'll probably end up costing them money having to fix broken overhead bins from people shoving overstuffed bags into th
42 Lightsaber : You have a good point there. I do not care if they charge for the lowest fare buckets. You want only a seat... you get only a seat. But why the &*^!
43 FlyASAGuy2005 : Funny, it seems to me like the downturn of airlines began long before the economic meltdown we are currently in. It has been YEARS that i've seen foo
44 Mham001 : And they need to start charging customers by weight.
45 FlyASAGuy2005 : See above
46 Dreamflight767 : If Greyhound & Amtrak allow A (solo, uno) bag to be "checked" for free, then so should an airline.
47 Khobar : The public already pays the actual cost of transportation, plus a large overage. One problem is employee pay expectations. For example, median salary
48 Mham001 : It boggles my mind that my wife is spending 2 weeks fretting about her luggage weight because PAL will charge her some exorbitant amount of money for
49 Psa188 : Well, I got my form reply from VX regarding this issue. Note that they didn't say they were acutally going to revisit the policy. VX wrote: "Thank you
50 C767P : And at Delta passengers complained very loud about the choice seating, it never happened. United announced that they were going to ax meals on transa
51 Jetstar : The main reason, as US Air stated why they were dropping their drink charges was because they were not competitive with other airlines. In plain Engl
52 Psa188 : The best thing people can do is fly Southwest, and write in to let them know you appreciate their "fees don't fly with us" campaign. Or, at least fly
53 EA CO AS : Much like driving a minivan, you can't fit a guy's self-respect in a fanny-pack though.
54 FlyASAGuy2005 : The problem is that everyone is doing it (airlines charging). Who are we going to run to? Everyone can't fly on WN, B6, etc. There's logic.
55 Par13del : Makes you wonder how the airlines worked before these fees were introduced in the last 2 or 3 years, did air travel exist before this???? And here I
56 Jetstar : No, that’s the airline’s public relations spin on how they try to justify their “ala la carte” pricing, Doug Parker, the CEO of USAir who is
57 Mastyc : It's not that unreasonable to pay 250 each way. It's only slightly above driving costs and a lot more convenient, especially if you factor in that th
58 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's the issue. You only see fares like that where airlines are having their a** handed to them by competition. Good or bad, idk. I would take a $4
59 PHLBOS : Truth be told, given the recent downturn on the economy; many may have either dropped their travel plans altogether or chose alternate means of trans
60 BMI727 : OR they try to cram all of their stuff in the overhead bins and after a half hour decide that it's useless and check their stuff at the gate. Some pe
61 PHLBOS : My above-comment was in reference to C767P's earlier comment regarding overstuffing causing delays: Good question indeed.
62 Hatbutton : I think it has. I read an article where someone from AA was quoted as saying the average AA pax before the fees checked 1.2 bags and now that number
63 FlyASAGuy2005 : In a recent article from Keller (it has its own thread) he projected between $100-$150m from bag fees alone... That's a whole lot of cheese and they
64 Lightsaber : The question is, will it be like US air and leave them asking 'who moved my cheese.' Interesting. That saves turn time and fuel. Lightsaber
65 ADent : Flew WN for the first time in years and it was refreshing. On the way back my bag didn't fit in the bin front to back (do the 733s have smaller bins t
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