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747-400: The End Is In Sight  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 36728 times:

I got some information last night which is of interest to 747 fans out there.

This weekend 747 LN 1418 will be pulled out of building 40-22 to go to the paint shop. This 747-400F is the second to last 747-400 to be built. At the same time 787 LN 3 will also be pulled out followed by 747-400F LN 1419. This is the last 747-400 to be built.

The 787 will then be pulled back in to the 747 final body assembly slant position followed by 747 LN 1419 (these two airplanes are swapping positions). 1419 will finish up assembly tasks within the next one month and then on to paint, pre-delivery flight testing and customer fly away.

End of an Era. Sort of.


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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1043 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 36735 times:

Who are the last to 744F's for?

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 36695 times:

1 is for NCA and 1 is for Cathay Pacific Cargo


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3789 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 36617 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
End of an Era. Sort of.

Not really. The 748 is coming up, I believe that Boeing or subcontractors has already started manufacturing components of the new 747. The last 744 to come out of the assembly line is line number 1419, once all 748's in both pax and freighter version are delivered Boeing will have built almost 1500 jumbos since 1969. Boeing will build the 748 even if only Lufthansa ordered it in pax version, because other customers ordered it in the freighter version.
The day the last 748 rolls out of the Everett assembly line will be the end of an era, unless Boeing unveils an other derivative.

Ben Soriano

[Edited 2009-03-20 08:10:01]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36527 times:

Thats why I said sort of...The 747-8 will sell well but I don't think it'll have the kind of success that the 747-400 had.


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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36447 times:



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
1 is for NCA and 1 is for Cathay Pacific Cargo

There should also be 2 for Load Air. Or have they already been pushed out the door? (I don't believe they have been delivered)


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5758 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36332 times:

I think they're out the door.


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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36224 times:

Who had the last passenger version?


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10733 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36119 times:

For me the 744 is the greatest airliner ever, so its quite emotional that the last one is close to be finished building.
Long live the 747-8!

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 5):

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
1 is for NCA and 1 is for Cathay Pacific Cargo

There should also be 2 for Load Air. Or have they already been pushed out the door? (I don't believe they have been delivered)

One is out of the door at least. I´ve seen a picture of it in pure white and the registration 9K-DAA.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 36079 times:
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Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 7):
Who had the last passenger version?

China Airlines took the last few passenger 747-400s in the mid-2000s.


User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 35939 times:

Cathay's B-LIE was here in MAN today. Is this the newest 744 in service?

User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1871 posts, RR: 41
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 35919 times:
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Too bad, we can't have too many of these beauty's around! My guess is that the 747 (no matter which type) will outlive us all!


Nothing's worse then flying the same registration twice, except flying it 4 times..
User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10733 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 35671 times:



Quoting Candid76 (Reply 10):
Cathay's B-LIE was here in MAN today. Is this the newest 744 in service?

B-LID was delivered last tuesday. I dont know why B-LIE was delivered before is "elder" sister.


User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 34731 times:



Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
unless Boeing unveils an other derivative.

What is the general opinion of this happening?
Will there be another derivative, has one been predicted or spoken of?
Can we do without it with whats now out there?



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 34527 times:



Quoting Na (Reply 8):
Long live the 747-8!

Long live Boeing after all.  Wink

Fatmir



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 34289 times:

Hopefully the 747-800i will keep the line alive. Long live the 747!

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 34004 times:
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Quoting NEMA (Reply 14):
What is the general opinion of (another 747 derivative) happening?

Unlikely, I would expect. That being said, the 747-8's 76m length is one meter less then the proposed 747-500X and the 747-600X was proposed to be 85m long. So Boeing could push the "747-9" to 80m (or greater if Airbus goes with more then 80m with the A380-900 or a future variant). Both the 747-500X and 747-600X had wingspans of 78m, 10m more then the 747-8.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33613 times:

.

How many 744ER was ordered/sold?

Cheers

//Mike  wave 



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33248 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 18):
How many 744ER was ordered/sold?

As far as I can see, 19:

6 pax - for Qantas
13 cargo - 8 for KE and 5, AF

Quoting NEMA (Reply 14):
What is the general opinion of this happening?
Will there be another derivative, has one been predicted or spoken of?
Can we do without it with whats now out there?

Not a chance, sadly. There have even been some questions over the future of the 747-8, although they seem to have passed.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 11):
Too bad, we can't have too many of these beauty's around! My guess is that the 747 (no matter which type) will outlive us all!

Right on; it is a beauty. No matter how much I try to love the A380, I just can't. It's just a big truck with wings.


User currently offlineYLWbased From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 830 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33199 times:



Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 5):
There should also be 2 for Load Air. Or have they already been pushed out the door? (I don't believe they have been delivered)

the 2nd one for Load Air is still in assembly and it's not even close to being done yet. I was just inside the factory on tour on tuesday (2 days ago).

YLWbased



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 33199 times:
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Jade Cargo flys the 747-400ERF. There maybe others.

User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32936 times:

1414 - Cathay B744ERF B-LID Delivered March 17 as it was damaged prior to delivery which resulted in the delay. Was having it's pre service check done at HAECO yesterday.

1415 - Cathay B744ERF B-LIE Delivered March 12. So technically the youngest at the moment but not the newest.

1416 - LoadAir B744ERF 9K-DAA Currently on the Boeing flightline - all white.

1417 - Cathay B744ERF B-LIF Currently on the Boeing flightline. CXs last of 6 ERFs.

1418 - NCA B744F Might be leased out to Cargo B like the last one - LN1411

1419 - LoadAir B744ERF 9K-DAB The LAST ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 2009-03-20 11:47:11]


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32780 times:
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rumor is Load Air went bust - and the planes will be white tails.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2525 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32538 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
There have even been some questions over the future of the 747-8, although they seem to have passed.

Don't let Keesje hear you say that.....  Wink


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31847 times:

.

Reading papers and aviation magazin that says the 748i will be "put on ice" if Boeing dont get more orders for the model. LH: 20 (+20 option) + 8 VIPs

Time will tell I guess

//Mike



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25 WestWing : Could you clarify this? Are you saying that both LN 1418 and LN 1419 will be pulled out of the building this weekend? I hope Boeing will find a buyer
26 Post contains links Climb1 : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae4835.jpg I took a look at the link from PAE which was in another thread on this forum. Pic taken 17th March. You ca
27 Qantas744ER : PW 4062A Leo
28 NYC777 : Yes, 1418 will come out and go straight to the paint shop. I think 787 LN 3 is right behind it so it'll be pulled out and then 747 LN 1419 is right b
29 Qantas777 : Not really. Come on now.
30 Viscount724 : If by "cargo" you are referring to the -400ERF, your number is much too low. Boeing has sold 40 -400ERFs to 9 customers, with 5 still to be delivered
31 2707200X : The 747 400 is looking to come to an end in the production cycle, the last passenger jets have been built. While the 747-8 will go into production as
32 EA CO AS : I was fortunate to be able to see the last two 747-400Fs on the assembly line when I visited the Everett facility a few weeks back. Hearing they were
33 Aircellist : Will the first 748 be LN 1420? Or will the LN start over?
34 B747forever : This is indeed sad. The 747(-400) will always be the Queen of the Skies, no matter what happens. Whenever I fly I always try to get on the 747. I have
35 Stitch : I believe so. I do know the line numbers will not reset.
36 Jfk777 : The 747 has had a great ride, my best flights have been on it since the places I was flying to were the best in teh world. I also flew Business Class
37 OyKIE : IIRC the wings on these proposed jumbo jets would have been heavily based on the wings of the 777. Does anyone know the efficiency of the current 747
38 Stitch : I am not sure if the 747-500X/747-600X would use the 777 wing. Boeing comments at the time seemed to imply it would be based on the 747-400. The 747-5
39 Post contains links Oykie : After making my statement, I had to find out where I have been reading about the 747-500X/747-600X. Here is one article saying that the wings would b
40 DocLightning : About the same as Obama conceding that the Bush Administration did a fantastic job in Iraq.
41 EarlyNFF : maybe not LoadAir, but the financiers: HSH Nordbank they were also engaged in financing Avion leasing company, who supply Aerologics 777F. Any traces
42 Post contains images Bmacleod : 747-8 production has already started. Though I believe this is for the 747-8F model, Boeing hasn't shown any sign of shelving the 747-8I. When the gl
43 Pilotboi : Any new news on this? Did this happen yesterday? Today? Tomorrow? I'm really interested to see if Matt or anyone else is gunna snap pics of ZA003 outs
44 CARST : When will they start to put the first 748 body parts together? (Not just the upper deck, i know pictures exist from the cockpit section.) What about t
45 RedFlyer : I hate to say this, but I think the 737/A320 will not only outlive us all, but outlive the 747 as well. I believe the father of the 747, Joe Sutter,
46 Na : Well, I still believe that the successor of the 747 will also be the successor of the 777. Maybe the 748F becomes a major success if the economy pick
47 CARST : I wouldn't go that far. If the industry comes up with an alternative fuel which could be used by existing engines that could save all of todays cars,
48 Dynamicsguy : August last year was when they loaded the first wing spar into the tooling. I vaguely recall that there was recently some more news on Boeing News No
49 ERAUgrad02 : Do you think Boeing is in talks still with Emirate's? Are they still finding ways to push the range so that thgey may order -800i? I havent heard anyt
50 Scouseflyer : Anything's possible but I'm guessing that, in the current economic climate, EK won't be placing any more orders for a while - they have quietly never
51 WestWing : Thank you for the clarification. I understand that Boeing Everett tend to do the roll out from the assembly hangars during the night shift. Can anyon
52 Mattcawby : As of Monday, March 23: Dreamliner 3 is in the 40-22 next to the door, then NCA 747, LoadAir Cargo 747 (last 747-400) in final body join. Dreamliner
53 TropicBird : When the LoadAir aircraft was first rolled out it had reg. 9K-DAA. Now it has a U.S. reg. N5022E -- which belongs to Boeing. Sounds like its a Boeing
54 NYC777 : Did they move Dreamliner 1 from the paint shop back to 40-24?
55 Mattcawby : Yes, it was in the factory Monday morning. Don't know when it was moved though.
56 Pilotboi : You're gunna grab a picture of her when she peaks her head outside, right Matt?
57 WestWing : Per the latest photo's today on Matt's site: Ln# 1418, ordered by NCA is outside, unpainted. Only one more 744 to roll out now.
58 Post contains links WestWing : Here is a new photo from Matt's site with a sliver of Cargo-B livery (on 1418) behind the Dreamlifters.
59 JBirdAV8r : That's a Boeing test registration. Every foreign-registered new Boeing has one. Airbus does the same.
60 WestWing : Any update from PAE on when line# 1419 will roll out? Ought to be imminent now.
61 PlaneHunter : Boeing didn't "destroy" anything. The company reacted to demand - so you can blame the market. PH
62 Stitch : One of the VC-25s (#29000) is now at PAE being prepared to spend the next few months in the 747 paint hanger being refurbished and repainted, so I im
63 WestWing : Maybe the plan is to give LN 1419 a simple all-white paint job before moving 29000 into the hangar - which is why 29000 was outside. If the rumors st
64 C5LOAD : I have never seen a picture of the 747-800, but once it comes out will we see a noticeable difference between the two, or will it be like the 772-773,
65 C680 : Longer "Hump" (For the 747-8i - so far only LH has ordered 20x) Longer Length Larger Engines New wingtips ...and a distinct lack of windows on the ma
66 C5LOAD : Will the winglets look like they do on most a/c now, or will they be the raked ones like on the 777LR? And what do you mean by lack of windows on the
67 Post contains links CARST : 747-8i drawing => http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHEFT/FRHeft07/FRH0702/FR0702g1.JPG With lack of images he meant that most of the ordered 748s are
68 TropicBird : On March 6th it had 9K-DAA on the R/H side. http://paineairport.com/kpae1787.htm On March 16th it still had 9K-DAA (on the L/H side this time) http:/
69 Mattcawby : It was in the paint hangar (45-01) on Monday.
70 WestWing : Thanks for the information.
71 Jolau1701 : I remember when the 747-400s were new. I think if I look hard enough, I might still have the Discovery (or was it Popular Mechanics?) magazine that fe
72 Oroka : Wow! That pic really makes the 748i look beefy!
73 NA : I have some Boeing line drawings of the 748I which I´m not allowed to publish unfortunately. Its truly a stunner.
74 Acabgd : With all the talk about congested airports and a clear need to reduce frequencies to some of the hubs, I hope some major airlines (in the US) will re
75 Post contains links N14AZ : Nice picture of the last 747-400 being moved out of the hangar (but only temporarily, if I understood correctly): http://paineairport.com/kpae1942.htm
76 Klemmi85 : When will 748 construction begin? Can anybody tell?
77 Bralo20 : Will LN148 be for NCA or will it be also painted in CargoB colors?
78 SpeedyGonzales : Why does the cargo door have windows?
79 N14AZ : Hi Speedy Gonzales, I noticed this as well but forgot to ask - maybe someone has an explanation?
80 NA : The 747F was developed at the same time as the 742 Combi, and Boeing didnt want to make two different doors I guess. Btw there are also two windows (
81 Post contains links Flying Belgian : It'll be OO-CBD and is already in CargoB outfit. Also leased by NCA Artemis' branch. http://www.planespotters.net/Product...t/Boeing/747/747-400/inde
82 NA : Its interesting that the two 744Fs of Cargo B carry the NCA names, in the same place and the same typefont, OO-CBD named "NCA Aquarius".
83 WestWing : Interesting. The final 744F is still sporting the banner designating it as being the second 744F for LoadAir. I hope LoadAir are able to take up their
84 Bralo20 : OO-CBC & OO-CBD are both owned by NCA and leased to CargoB. I think the original registrations were JA09KZ & JA10KZ. NCA is a significant shareholder
85 WestWing : Boeing's orders&deliveries db has all NCA orders as -400Fs and the 1411 delivery as a -400F.
86 Flying Belgian : Indeed they are not ERFs but well Fs.
87 Post contains links Rheinbote : Update: Last 747-400 Leaves Factory http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...n-and-out-last-747-400-leaves.html Cathay to delay 747-8F deliveries http:/
88 WestWing : So was the LN 1419 moved back into the factory or not? Strictly speaking it might be premature to declare "Elvis has left the building" if he stepped
89 DocLightning : :-( Long live the most beautiful machine ever built. May her successor be even more beautiful.
90 Stitch : Interesting enough, aircraft valuation firm AVITAS believes that the 777F goes out the door for more then the 747-400ERF. They calculated CZ's two 77F
91 Rheinbote : I think the 747-8F was spurred by a) a strong market and b) the A380F. Both disappeared, but only one is likely to come back.
92 Stitch : Well demand for the 747-8F certainly was strong at launch. And I do not believe that was down to "give away prices" because Boeing could have just don
93 WestWing : Any update on the last 744 (ln 1419) 9K-DAB? As per the comments on Matt Cawby's site, a week back the final 744 was briefly moved outside to make way
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