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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 14074 times:

Welcome one and all to the 52nd rendition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread.
The previous thread: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4340006/ has reached over 200 posts so on behalf of our usual thread starter 777ER, I'll do the honors.

In the previous thread discussion revolved around:


  • On going talk about what NZ will use to eventually replace its ATR72s and 733s
  • Debate about what IVC can and can't handle aircraft-wise and extensions to the rwy.
  • NZ firming up another 77W from Boeing
  • Contract negotiation talk about Zeal (NZ)
  • Comparing JQ to Zeal T's&C's for crew
  • NZ leasing arrangements with its A320s start expiring 2011
  • HLZ future re Tasman
  • Talk about the A380 at AKL... EK has now started ops to AKL with the A380 using the new gates.
  • NZ releases statement regarding capacity and loads, they think they have got it right now
  • New Zealand Govt to subsidize flights to APW and TBU as a form of foreign aid.
  • Furio sports aircraft from Auckland firm Falcomposite looking at being sold to the ADF possibly as a RAAF trainer.
  • QF offering free FF membership Till March 31st QF are offering New Zealand customers free QF FF membership
    https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/do/dyns/joinffp?code=JETSTARNZ
    NZ offering free FF membership to QF customers who cut up and send in their QF FF card.
  • Continued discussion about whether NZ should buy DJ (Virgin Blue). DJ share price has plummeted so in theory NZ could purchase it entirely for less than $300m
  • NZ going ahead with increasing Y+ on 772ER
  • QF dropping AKL-MEL-AKL 744 service to be replaced by multiple 733/4 services and eventually 738 services.
  • NZ changing times of flights to Japan
  • NZ business unit 'Altitude' won contract to fit out interiors of LH new 748 aircraft

Also I attended the RNZAF Whenuapai airshow today and really enjoyed it (even though seen things like the Red Checkers many times). AFAIK it is the 1st time a USAF aircraft has been to an RNZAF base in decades (they sent a C-17 Globemaster III to the show and it was awesome!). Good to see the yanks back being friendly (I know they use that aircraft out of CHC for Antarctic programme of course.
The F/A-18s from the RAAF were really good to have over here also... nice and LOUD!  


[Edited 2009-03-21 02:44:10]


56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14043 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
Also I attended the RNZAF Whenuapai airshow today

You went too! Guess it seemed like half of Auckland went with all that traffic.. Good experience though. I witnessed the closing of the C-17 ramp from the inside this morning as they prepared themselves for their display. Also good to know that the people there knew a lot about their planes etc. Air NZ's engine corner was also an interesting display.. Comparing how big the Trent is compared to the RB-211 which is also quite big..

Here's my contribution to the pictures! Sorry, I'm too tired to go fossicking through the few hundred and picking out others of the Globemaster or other such things.. But this one was extremely hard to capture.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_cYYIjMZbEQA/ScTADp4-k1I/AAAAAAAAB48/vGAddp32uJA/s800/IMG_0245edit.jpg

Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
nice and LOUD!

Not if you had earplugs  Wink

We could possibly use the 2011 one as a future A.Net meet..

[Edited 2009-03-21 03:39:32]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14038 times:
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Quoting Zkpilot (Thread starter):
C-17 Globemaster III

When the C-17 came into WLG in 2007, it certainly was an amazing sight to see it land


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14013 times:

Re the fuel hedging issue and NZ:

Sounds like they may have "booked the loss" in respect of the profit and loss account but that the impact on the cashflow is yet to come - hence the future impact on the cash stockpile. If that's the case, anyone know the likely extent of the impact on the cash situation?



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13812 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):

We could possibly use the 2011 one as a future A.Net meet.

I will need to save up the FF Points to get there.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 13694 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 4):
I will need to save up the FF Points to get there.

You never know.. DJ/NZ(/JQ - who knows if DUD would be in their frame by then) could have a sale in the future which may allow for cheap fares!



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Yes, anything could happen in the next two years.

JQ might start to Dunedin. Even if they only say they might start to Dunedin, AirNZ will give us low fares to pre-empt them.

Anything else might happen. By 2011, will EK bring the A380 to CHC? Will IVC have international charters bringing lots of budget skiers from Queensland?

Will Air Asia X start to NZ? Will there be any sign of the 787? Will Highlanders win the Super 14? Will Elvis visit Dunedin? Will the NZ thread have reached 100? Tune in here to find out.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13607 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):

Here's my contribution to the pictures!

Nice pic! unfortuneatly I only had a compact camera which seems to have a high level of 'noise' in the shots. heres my grainy version  Wink

heres one of the P-3K dropping marker dye/smoke:



56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4840 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

and some C-17 Globemaster III pics:





56 types. 38 countries. 24 airlines.
User currently offlineQf744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13224 times:

Does anyone have info about where the PB 190 based and what routes it will be used on?

Also, what was the story about DJ being refused access to ZQN?

Cheers,

QF744



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1884 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12594 times:



Quoting Qf744 (Reply 9):
Does anyone have info about where the PB 190 based and what routes it will be used on?

This plane NOT belongs to Pacific Blue Airlines of New Zealand! It will operate by Pacific Blue Airlines of Australia for Virgin Blue.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12545 times:
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Quoting Qf744 (Reply 9):
Also, what was the story about DJ being refused access to ZQN?

ZQN doesn't want budget carriers operating there, so ZQN said no to DJ. Speaking of budget carriers, I'm interested in why JQ is allowed to operate domestic there instead of QF from June 10th. Maybe ZQN knew that if it wanted full QF Group operations then it needed to remove its pride and allow JQ to operate there. Wonder if DJ will also now be allowed to operate there.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12524 times:
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Cleaner tells of baby find


A cleaner who found a baby girl abandoned in an aircraft toilet rubbish bin called out in shock to her co-workers: "There's a baby in the rubbish."

Airline industry sources said the cleaner was shocked to see a baby's arm moving in the bin.

The cleaner, a Samoan trained nurse, found the dumped baby about 20 minutes after the Pacific Blue flight from Apia landed in Auckland at 5.20am last Thursday.

She instinctively closed the bin lid and walked into the main cabin of the Boeing 737-800, calling to her co-workers in English and Samoan: "There's a baby in the rubbish. There's a baby in the rubbish," a source said

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2286035/Cleaner-tells-of-baby-find

Airport passenger numbers plummet


Passenger volumes through Auckland Airport continue to plummet in February with only an increase in visitors from Australia putting a brake on the slide.

International passenger numbers were down in February from 636,293 last year to 592,535, or a 3.6 percent drop when adjusted for the extra day during last year's leap year.

South Korea recorded the biggest drop in visitors, down 23.5 percent (unadjusted) to 3996.

Other nationalities visiting less in February were the United Kingdom, down 16.5 percent; the United States, 20 percent; China, 19.7 percent and Canada 17.7 percent.

However, the bulk of visitors came from Australia and in February visitor numbers from across the Tasman rose 3.1 percent to 49,705.

Domestic passenger numbers were also down 7.8 percent to 462,473, however, when adjusted for last year's extra day in February the decrease was just 4.5 percent.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mark.../Airport-passenger-numbers-plummet


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2736 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12485 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
ZQN doesn't want budget carriers operating there, so ZQN said no to DJ. Speaking of budget carriers, I'm interested in why JQ is allowed to operate domestic there instead of QF from June 10th. Maybe ZQN knew that if it wanted full QF Group operations then it needed to remove its pride and allow JQ to operate there. Wonder if DJ will also now be allowed to operate there.

No way!! Really? Surely an airport (a) isn't that up itself to refuse entry to a carrier because it is a budget airline, and (b) doesn't have the power to refuse a carrier on anything but technical grounds, given the bilateral agreement between New Zealand and Australia.

If somehow ZQN are doing this, I would be extremely concerned. I have wondered why DJ and JQ have not served ZQN sooner. Hmmmm, disturbing.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25429 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12427 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
ZQN doesn't want budget carriers operating there, so ZQN said no to DJ.

That doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not sure what makes Virgin Blue a "budget" carrier in those terms, which would be simple snobbery. If they're good enough to code share with United, I think they're good for Queenstown.

Equally, I don't see that Queenstown has the authority or the legal right to deny them service. If it has happened, then Virgin Blue should hot foot it to their lawyers.

Now - if there were other reasons for it - ZQN wouldn't lower charges or offer Virgin Blue some kind of deal - that's another story.

mariner



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12422 times:

Maybe ZQN is having a few image issues at the moment:

Hotel complains about 'cheap' cars lowering tone

The boss of a five star Queenstown hotel has complained that "cheap" cars parking outside it are lowering the tone.

Sofitel general manager Wouter de Graaf made his complaint in a submission on the Queenstown Lakes District Council's review of parking controls in Queenstown.

He said it was very difficult to deliver a five-star luxury experience with public parking, in particular by young people frequenting nearby bars, at the front of the Duke St hotel, the Southland Times reported.

"A lot of times the total value of all the cars in front of our door is not more than $1500, not particularly the look that we are after for our high-end paying customers."

Mr de Graaf also complained about customers getting parking tickets.

"This is very upsetting for a lot of our national and international customers, because who would expect that at a five-star luxury hotel."


NZ Herald


User currently offlineREALDEAL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12366 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 6):
JQ might start to Dunedin. Even if they only say they might start to Dunedin, AirNZ will give us low fares to pre-empt them.

Surely JQ would have lower costs than NZ, so they might be able to make SYD/DUD work whereas NZ can't.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

Easter strike threat from Air NZ FAs

Well.. That doesn't sound too good for those travelling short haul international..



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12246 times:



Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 16):
Surely JQ would have lower costs than NZ, so they might be able to make SYD/DUD work whereas NZ can't.

Where do you propose JQ have lower costs... it's def not in the crew... those brand new A320's are surely more expansive than the fully capitalised 733's and slightly older A320's NZ operate, and NZ's costs are in NZ dollars. I would counter that perhaps NZ have lower operating costs than JQ



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12224 times:



Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 18):
Where do you propose JQ have lower costs... it's def not in the crew... those brand new A320's are surely more expansive than the fully capitalised 733's and slightly older A320's NZ operate, and NZ's costs are in NZ dollars. I would counter that perhaps NZ have lower operating costs than JQ

Surely JQ pay their pilots etc less than Air NZ. Also Air NZ would have a lot of other costs that Jetstar don't.

As for the cost of aircraft, I'm sure the QF group got a much better deal on the 80 odd A320's they purchased than the 12 or so NZ got. I would also expect most of their cots to be in NZ dollars also as they will be NZ based.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25429 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12202 times:
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Quoting ANstar (Reply 19):
I would also expect most of their cots to be in NZ dollars also as they will be NZ based.

Without knowing how they are divvying up the costs, it is difficult to know. Presumably, some percentage of the CEO and other executive costs are assigned to Jetstar NZ, for example.

Are all their staff, including management, NZ hires at NZ rates?

mariner

[Edited 2009-03-23 21:58:03]


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User currently offlineGlasgow From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12063 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 17):
Easter strike threat from Air NZ FAs

Well.. That doesn't sound too good for those travelling short haul international..

What would happen to pax who are booked on say WLG-SYD on an A320 if the industrial action does go ahead?

As a passenger who is (or maybe isn't now) travelling WLG-SYD during the proposed strike dates, I do hope the strike will be called off!


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12057 times:



Quoting Glasgow (Reply 21):
What would happen to pax who are booked on say WLG-SYD on an A320 if the industrial action does go ahead?

My feeling is that they'd channel some people through AKL and put them on the 763/772/744 flights, depending on the destination. Not entirely sure however.



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User currently offlineAnstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5264 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12050 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
Are all their staff, including management, NZ hires at NZ rates?

I preusme not all... but I would still bet on JQ having lower costs... also NZ have pretty good layover allowances, something JQ doesn't. It hink it would all add up to make JQ more low cost.


User currently offlineGlasgow From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12050 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
My feeling is that they'd channel some people through AKL and put them on the 763/772/744 flights, depending on the destination. Not entirely sure however.

This would seem the best option for people not restricted by a time schedule.

I might give them a call tomorrrow and see what my options are. No doubt I'll get told not to worry and it'll allright on the night!


25 Post contains links 777ER : Plane makes emergency landing on Lake Rotorua A pair of tourists have recovered over a cup of tea after the plane they were passengers in was forced t
26 Post contains links Tayser : http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-domestic-bliss-20090318-91gi.html A common border will dispense with trans-Tasman customs and immigration, wri
27 Mariner : I wouldn't take the bet - I don't know any way of establishing the true costs. Will Qantas release the separate CASK for Jetstar's NZ operations? mar
28 NZ107 : We'd have to wait and see if they will cut fares by that much. I've got a feeling that they'll play along with tacit collusion and cut prices by less
29 Post contains links Darenw : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10563323 Air NZ strike Well the cabin crew aren't going to get a lot of sympathy with
30 777ER : I think what your talking about will happen heavily in places like HLZ and PMR if airlines decide to fly there after the routes become domestic. AKL
31 Post contains links NZ107 : In other "news": Air New Zealand looks at replacing domestic fleet Stating that at 11 years the 733s are nearing the end of their service life.. Gosh.
32 Alangirvan : Do JQ and AirNZ Trans Tasman have layovers? Most of the JQ flights out of CHC and AKL would be day returns, so crew would not get layovers. Surely mo
33 777ER : It seems to me like stuff.co.nz got their info from the NZ fleet page. Some of NZs second hand B733s are way older then NZs newest B733s, so thats wh
34 Post contains links 777ER : This stuff.co.nz article provides some more info on NZs up-coming ZEAL strike http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2289688/Air-NZ-crew-poverty-stricken
35 TG992 : The only layover ports are PER and SYD. PER is of course always a layover due to the length of the flight, and the NZ107 AKLSYD crew layover and do t
36 777ER : Are those the flights that have the HA B763s operating as the exchange flights?
37 Aerokiwi : Indeed, I find the NZ 733 interiors perfectly acceptible, and I seriously doubt the reporter would even know the difference between travelling in an
38 NZ2 : I have just booked some flights AKL to Queenstown and wondered what seats 1E and 1F are like in the 733. I have reserved them but dont want to get cau
39 Koruman : Aerokiwi, the last airline that used this argument for sticking with 737 classics was Aloha..... Yes, they are fully depreciated, and only fly short-
40 Flyjetstar : ZEAL/A320 crew have overnighters in Melbourne and Sydney. I think AKL base get most of them though CHC base is seeing a few on the last two rosters.
41 Aerokiwi : What problem are you talking about? there is no actual problem here - NZ operates a high-rfrequency service compared to its competitors and thus util
42 REALDEAL : Yes we've heard that Tiger are looking at ways of getting on the Tasman as well. There are always ways, it just depends how much hassle to organise.
43 Aerokiwi : A good purchase candidate for NZ then?
44 Mariner : If this line in the article is true - NZ Herald: "These attendants earn up to $30,000 less per year than their colleagues employed directly by Air NZ
45 Flyjetstar : It is true.
46 QF45 : Can someone please explain to me what is wrong with $41K per annum on a 30 hour a week 9 day fortnight for new recruits at ZEAL?? I am struggling to u
47 REALDEAL : Do Tiger OZ & NZ have same engines on their A320's ? Tiger's A320 are much newer aren't they ? Presume that Tiger staff would be on much much less pa
48 Rongotai : This is nonsense. My son flies BA's 37 strong fleet of 737 classics based at LGW, and expects to continue doing so for a number of years. When oil re
49 Anstar : I think BA are now down to 23 classics at LGW and more and more are being retired and routes either canceleld or moved to A32S flying. I reckon the L
50 NZ1 : Thats not true. There are some differences in allowances for ZEAL crew, but the delta is not $30,000. My wife is ZEAL crew, and she did pretty good t
51 777ER : Front row seats with excellent leg room. IIRC the window is directly beside you on the new config.
52 Post contains links DavidByrne : http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...picture-of-air-travel-in-the-south The quote from Venture Southland doesn't seem to support RD's contention tha
53 NZ2 : Thanks for that 777ER!
54 Alangirvan : According to timetable, DUD-AKL is One hour 40 minutes, but AKL-DUD is One hour 55 minutes. Would be a lot longer in a 146
55 ZK-NBT : I see NZ will operate 772s on RAR-LAX between DEC 20th 09 and late FEB 2010 still a weekly flight but they operated 2 weekly in this period in the sum
56 REALDEAL : Gee what a surpirse !!! Someone else has been saying this. Don't think charter flights require same level of so called security. Where does it say IV
57 777ER : Who says Australians need to fly QF? NZ has cheaper fares from BNE and OOL to ZQN and much BETTER IFE and service then what QF can offer.
58 KiwiRob : Why would you express sympathy for people who are earning considerably more than the average wage, there are a lot of people who would love to earn 4
59 REALDEAL : No airline flies OOL/ZQN !!!
60 Flyjetstar : That's not true. Same old stuff for you again eh?
61 Mariner : And there are almost certainly people who would work for considerably less than the minimum wage. A number of people do, in the black economy. But th
62 Rwy21 : I dont think 777ERs point necessarily was meaning always non-stop. I believe the requirements are still the same for a secure airport which has been
63 ZKOJH : Rotorua's new runway extension is nearly done, idea's of airlines looking at ROT, maybe Tiger?
64 KiwiRob : Then it really comes back to 'they knew the conditions and pay scale when they were employed, they also knew NZ mainline got paid more' if the Zeal c
65 TravellerPlus : When I read the argument that some crew earn up to $30,000 more than others, it made me think about how overpaid those on the top rate must be! I am n
66 Mariner : I see that "going Galt" is alive and well and has reached NZ. Are we back in the 19th century? If Air NZ wants to set up a separate identity, a brand
67 777ER : It doesn't matter that OOL isn't non-stop to ZQN. As long a the price is cheap, people will connect. Just like WLG residents wanting to fly to Austra
68 Post contains links 777ER : Ammunition found at Wellington airport A flight was delayed yesterday after two bullets were found on the floor inside the Wellington airport departur
69 REALDEAL : yes but airline is trying to get rid of those being paid more. It's not a case of those being paid less should be paid th same for same work, it's th
70 TravellerPlus : The union is involving the public. If the beef is with NZ management, why hasn't the union adopted a tactic like that used by Lufthansa pilots some y
71 Mariner : The union has publicly stated its position. But if industrial claims relied on public support for success, then very little would have been achieved
72 Rwy21 : Incorrect, 2hr 40m is easily and legally achieved that is comparing chalk and cheese in my opinion, WLG, CHC and DUD are combined terminals, very eas
73 TG992 : I'm not sure why you're claiming that I'm not worth my salary, especially since you know nothing about me, however... I am happy with my salary and c
74 777ER : NZL tourism isn't suffering because we are currently experiecing high demand from Australians looking for a cheap holiday. Australian's are currently
75 Flyjetstar : Yes that has certainly been my experience. I find very few Australians on the flights I take with Air New Zealand, the planes only have Kiwis on them
76 Aerokiwi : I don't think there's any point responding to RealDeal's constant, baseless assertions of the unbearable pain of transferring at any of New Zealand's
77 767ER : What a load of bollocks RD. I fly NZ fairly often to LAX and it's full of Aussies and, in fact, I have met loads of Aussies on NZ who only fly NZ and
78 TravellerPlus : TG 992, like you, I have a masters degree and it is our choice where we work. It's our choice what life style we wish to lead. From your posts I have
79 Mariner : Vital to the airline, perhaps, but the prime responsibility of any union is to their membership, not to the public. mariner
80 QF45 : REALDEAL, I can't understand your difficulties connecting through an Airport as simple as CHC (as you mention quite often "with kids") anymore difficu
81 TravellerPlus : Quite true, but given that the public ultimately pay for wages that are in dispute, they are a significant stakeholder who's needs are also worthy of
82 TG992 : Of course, Joe the garden centre owner in 25A, Helen the small pet shop owner in 48K, and Bob the dairy owner in 59B might save $30 or so on their twi
83 Mariner : It is management's job to work out that balance. As in this case, it is not the union who has brought about the pay disparity. mariner
84 Zkpilot : 1) It is NOT $41K per annum (despite what was mentioned in the media) It is more like $35K. 2) 30 hour week? Yeah right! 30 hours per week on board y
85 ANstar : We do know something about you - that you are a longhaul FA with Air NZ. And we know what that role is and it is that salary we are disucussing. Exac
86 TG992 : Did you somehow miss the rest of my post? If you cut my salary by 30% so it's more in line with what you consider an "unskilled" job should earn, I w
87 QF45 : The media ofcourse ..... unreliable at it's best. Thank you explained well, I have a better understanding! Clearly obvious that the public perception
88 Alangirvan : What were the 787s going to do for Jetstar in the first place? We thought these were the planes that were going to fly well into the interior of the
89 ANstar : I did read it all! I doubt that if Air NZ was not paying it's long haul flight attendants as well as they are currently that the rest of the NZ econo
90 ZKOJH : Air NZ Tokyo 09 Northern Summer changes Air New Zealand in Northern Summer 09 sees following operational changes to Tokyo. 29MAR09 - 14MAY09 Daily 767
91 KiwiRob : Then god help NZ because the majority of families in NZ make do with far less than 70k per year. Maybe it's all the travel and seeing exotic places t
92 Flyjetstar : Mate if you're going to argue your point at least do it in a way that shows some respect to us as people. It is quite clear you don't think much of u
93 Knid : I was wondering about the logic of their PR offensive. If they are not careful the public will dismiss them, and then they will be in trouble. I don'
94 Glasgow : And your point is caller? Just about everyone has a commute to work.
95 TravellerPlus : Interesting. There was a prominent advertisment in the recruitment section of today's Dom Post for A320 cabin crew, with the wording Hudson Services M
96 Mariner : That's the heart of the matter - how it arose. mariner
97 Rwy21 : A article in todays ODT on the extension of the runway at Dunedin International to over 2400m is not if but when, says airport CEO John McCall. The ai
98 NZ107 : That's true: They'll hold 22% of shares in the company. I'm sure that some will still push for Whenuapai. Surely it must be somewhere in the master p
99 Rwy21 : Thanks, I thought they would have a bit larger shareholding than that combined, but I faguely remember a while back Auckland City sold off some of it
100 NZ107 : I thought so too. But in their annual report, it shows basically the same stake (less 0.02%) between 2004 and 1 Aug 2008. And if you've tracked the p
101 Alangirvan : Rwy21 beat me to it - yes, it was the lead item in today's Otago Daily Times. Now, before our city gets lectures from people who know better, John McC
102 QF45 : Does the South Island really need other "International Gateways" other than CHC?
103 Zkpilot : Because JQ must be soooo busy not serving meals etc... Actually no the majority do not... the majority make more like your example (which BTW is 10k
104 Anstar : Have you flown Jetstar? I flew them Sydney - Phuket. An 8 hour flight with 2 meal services and several drinks services. Not much different to a Qanta
105 Zkpilot : We are talking about the differences between JQ and Zeal... Zeal only work flights up to about 4 hours. Do JQ serve meals on flights that short? ie a
106 ANstar : Yes, you may have to pay, but they do serve them. My point is that their a lower paid flight attendants out there that do JUST AS GOOD as the higherp
107 777ER : What does the * mean beside 767? Surly with the new winglets being installed, the B763 will be able to stay on that route, instead of wasting a good
108 TG992 : I think we should put the entire wage argument to rest. It's clear some of those outside the industry, through jealousy or overenthusiasm for flying a
109 NZ107 : Only if Pac Blue would bring some E-Jets/QF bring some Q400s over to operate some thin routes... Then we may have some competition which would make i
110 TG992 : Putting my money where my mouth is.. does anyone know what the oldest flight number still used by NZ is? I discovered in an old timetable that TE135/N
111 NZ107 : How long has NZ(TE)1/2 been around for? What were the flight numbers of other TT destinations?
112 SunriseValley : Well said . Who gives a sh.t unless it is their ox that is being gored! Like the IVC one sided debate it needs to be laid to rest.
113 767ER : TG992 My 1975 timetable has TE6 as SYD AKL and TE5 AKL SYD. For another piece of trivia the return AKL SYD fares in 1975 were: Cheapest First Class F
114 Zkpilot : Physically it could be extended without too much difficulty to the East by up to about 500m. It could be extended to the West as much as is needed pr
115 NZ107 : I think it's just something that airport developers use as a form of protest. I read in this week's Aucklander magazine's letters to the editor secti
116 Mariner : I don't see the "need" for so many international airports now. Northern Californians manage just fine. North of the San Francisco/Sacramento axis, th
117 NZ107 : Right. Sorry, should have used a different word. But you see what I was trying to say - introduce some more competition to the domestic non-trunk rou
118 767ER : When they introduced the UK service in 1981.
119 Mariner : Can they not do this now? I'd love to see a small NZ airline - probably with Q400's - dedicated to provincial connections, but I assume Air NZ would
120 Anstar : It's not jealousy - far from it! Enjoy your salary - you're lucky to be paid as well as you are. I just don't like the nonsese that lower paid FA's p
121 Alangirvan : The first 747-200s arrived in the fleet in 1981, but first London services, to LGW were in mid 1982, by The Pacific's No. 1 Flights were twice weekly
122 Alangirvan : Need? No, but it is good that the resort of Queenstown is a gateway, because people can fly direct to this valuable resort. Of course, if Australia-N
123 TravellerPlus : To the NZ workers on this forum, please don't forget that the better part of $1billion's worth of public money went into NZ to keep it flying in 2001.
124 Nzrich : Just remember Air NZ operates as a fully independent private company it just has a major stakeholder as the government !!! Unlike some other Governme
125 TravellerPlus : You are right, but the precedent of NZ receiving govenment money has been set. Whilst unlikely, what is to preclude NZ receiving further government f
126 DavidByrne : I agree with Alangirvan here. In a free market economy it doesn't matter - if an airport wants to put itself "out there", then they succeed or fail d
127 Post contains links Pilotdude09 : Not sure if this is in here, had a look but hard to sort through some of the crap......... http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/49371/push-longer-runway
128 Zkpilot : Yes and in exchange the government got a significant shareholding in the airline (I think its 81%). NZ has since paid the government dividends, has b
129 Mariner : I don't think New Zealand is a genuine free market economy - or that it can afford to be - and I think the nation should be taking a long, hard look
130 REALDEAL : It all helps inbound tourism. Australians are beocming more time poor as workers are asked to do more FREE overtime & most would be silly to refuse w
131 TravellerPlus : I will not comment on the reasons for the investment, but it has happened. It is certainly not a reflection of any poor practices by the operational s
132 REALDEAL : Can ZQN even take a fully loaded 787 ? On deparure for Australia ? If Australia/ROT was domestic route, then surely Australians would come over for 3
133 Zkpilot : Actually many companies where such a large strategic stake is up for grabs actually sell for a premium, especially since the current shareprice is co
134 DavidByrne : I think that if you DO have a free market economy (and whether we like it or not, NZ has moved STRONGLY in that direction in the last 25 years), then
135 Post contains images Rwy21 : DUD already can, IVC technically speaking one could land there. ..possibly, but considering DUDs expansion in the last few years on its facilities it
136 Mariner : But it isn't an unregulated economy - it is a partially unregulated economy. In an unregulated economy, Air New Zealand would have been allowed to go
137 TravellerPlus : Thanks for pointing out my error. Looking at the last financial report, NZ quotes a figure of 45.5%. I was using data from ASB securities, which calc
138 777ER : Even if DJ and QF did bring over some smaller aircraft to give NZ a run for their money, I don't think other airports would give up on international
139 Knid : As Mariner pointed out above, the resistance is from the airport trying to do so with the taxpayer's money. If the airport wanted to go it alone, I w
140 777ER :
141 777ER : Something happened with the above reply while posting, so here is attempt two. When AKL starts upgrades, you never hear any moaning (maybe apart from
142 Axio : No - its for the money. More passengers through your airport means more fees and more attractive retail, which means more revenue. If there are passe
143 NZ107 : I think a lot of people have the mentality that it's great to have a regional airport and be able to get to Australia. I think Kiwi's to blame for th
144 Mariner : I don't want to sound like the Grinch who stole Christmas here, I am completely in favour of airports doing all they can to attract new customers. DU
145 DavidByrne : Yes, I'll grant you that. But the economy as a whole is closer to the unregulated end of the spectrum than to the regulated end. A lot closer than ma
146 TravellerPlus : Yes, if it had been at the 84% level, either option could be taken to reduce the debt/equity ratio, although debt reduction would be favourable given
147 Mariner : As stated, I essentially agree about TT capable airports and in any case, the rules of TT may be dramatically changed. It is the concept of multiple
148 Cchan : The 737-300, -400, -500, and -600 are fine, but for the -200, I wouldn't say they are still flying 100% perfectly. Some of these 732s are basically f
149 Alangirvan : They had the model and they changed it - Freedom. They changed it because they found the costs of operating Freedom were almost the same as operating
150 DavidByrne : Trouble is, it's easy to offer this critique in hindsight. When business was booming out of PMR and HLZ across the Tasman, no one would have suggeste
151 Aerokiwi : So I guess all those "better deals" to LAX are out then? You know, given how time-poor they are.
152 Post contains images Mariner : Once again, we're talking about TT, on which I am much more ambivalent - but yes, I would have taken the same position when business was "booming" at
153 Axio : I disagree. The secondary airport market is still Southwest's core market and they aren't moving away from it. Their problem is that they have satura
154 Mariner : Southwest's most recent cities are: PHL, IAD, DEN, SFO, MSP with LGA and BOS in the works by fall. Those are not secondary airports. If they were mak
155 Axio : That's not the point. You said "is moving strongly away from the secondary airport approach" - but I don't see them dramatically reducing flights out
156 Flyjetstar : But the fact remains that neither JQ or DJ have stepped up to secondary markets. NZ pulled out of PMR sometime ago, HLZ is looming at the end of the
157 Post contains links Mariner : I doubt they'll ever reduce DAL - it is their "home" airport and the subject of too many legal battles - with Southwest triumphant. For the others, i
158 Post contains links NZ560 : Air NZ cancelling 25 services a week Rest of the story by clicking on the link.
159 Post contains links NZ560 : Sign sparks Air NZ threat Rest of the story by clicking on the link.
160 DavidByrne : Yes, I have to say I'm with NZ on this one. What do the two Councillors concerned hope to achieve? The only possible outcome is that they will aliena
161 Post contains links 777ER : Auckland Airport wants bigger share of budget airlines Auckland Airport is looking to increase its small share of the low-cost carrier market as part
162 ZKOJH : Apart from Air ASIA X, Tiger and Thomson who else would be willing to fly to AKL ?? , would love to see somewhat of a KLM/Air France show up...
163 ZK-NBT : Not sure about Thomson myself but I guess summer charters are possible. AF/KL Never! Heaps of potentials but not all would happen and not many in the
164 777ER : ThomsonFly? What would make them so interested in flying this far from their home?
165 Koruman : Don't be so sure. If the French Polynesian government doesn't sell Air Tahiti Nui to Air NZ then it is a dead-set certainty that they will sell it to
166 ZK-NBT : Brittania did in the 1990s. Infact is Thomsonfly what replaced them or tookover them?
167 ZK-NBT : I enjoy reading your posts Koruman! I'm somewhat a pessimist to some of your comments but I like what you are on about and you certainly have some go
168 NZ107 : Does the new domestic flight proposal thing change the relationships of bilaterals into either country? Or will this deal only benefit those registere
169 Zkojh : Brittania did in the 1990s. Infact is Thomsonfly what replaced them or tookover them? Thomsonfly was a British airline, previously known as Britannia
170 777ER : Maybe YYZ flights instead? If the flights were successful, then why would they have cancelled them? The 90's is a lot different to now, when lots of
171 Post contains links 777ER : Sort it or I'll change the law says Key A new law on compulsory meal breaks will be changed unless airport safety bosses and control tower staff resol
172 Post contains links Nzstevenc : New Zealand Herald: Air NZ recruiting new staff to cover strike Brazen indeed...
173 Alangirvan : Britannia was always owned by Thomson Holidays, so it just changed its name to the name of the parent company. They did have a few seasons where they
174 Aerokiwi : Good. Even gooderer. Amazing that Jetstar thought it could get away with this and good to see them listen to feedback. Though that does mean a rather
175 DavidByrne : My recollection was that the Middle Eastern tech stop was in Sharjah - it certainly was the one time that my wife and kids used the BY flights to tra
176 Flyjetstar : Did anyone else think that NZ's response to the control tower issues was way over the top? I know it had the potential to be a serious issue but they
177 DavidByrne : I think it's called "hard ball"! It's not clear to me why ATC is needed at these airports anyway - so many provincial centres don't have it. What are
178 Alangirvan : I think the people at Auckland went to the same networking opportunity as John McCall from Dunedin went to. These are Route Development Conferences w
179 Zkpilot : Theres always the question of safety. Also for an airlines perspective its better to fly to a controlled airport as training aircraft and the like ca
180 DavidByrne : I understand that it's to do with safety, but what I'm interested in are the objective criteria that are used for judging whether the safety issues a
181 NZ107 : Just heard on the Newstalk ZB that the Government have decided to keep Whenuapai as an airbase, overturning Labour's decision to scrap the airport.. I
182 777ER : I was surprised to head that while coming home from work tonight on the radio. IMHO there should be one mega RNZAF base, either at Palmy or Auckland
183 Post contains links 777ER : Relief as air traffic controllers dispute resolved The organisation responsible for managing air traffic in New Zealand is "very happy" a dispute whic
184 Flyjetstar : He is the leader of National government not a Labour one. On another note, has any noticed the Flight Centre ad for travel around Asia with Singapore
185 NZ107 : There are other SQ ads with a plane that looks more like a 77W on it.. But I can't remember seeing this one so I won't call it a 77W as of yet.
186 777ER : That doesn't matter. He has been raised in a state house by a mother who was poor. He should know better that people/familys are struggling who have
187 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ trolley falls on passenger Air New Zealand is reviewing health and safety procedures after an elderly Auckland woman suffered concussion and a
188 Flyjetstar : I meant that it is more in the philosophy of Labour to provide social support than National. I understand that there is support there for those who h
189 Zkpilot : I'm sorry to say 777ER but I couldn't disagree with you more on this issue. There's a saying called Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket! (Woodbourn
190 QF45 : Should they close Whenuapai chances are its fate would have been with residential developers losing Aucklands only real viable opportunity for a futur
191 Knid : And closing down the base helps how? If it shut, and was developed as houses etc, create limited jobs for tradesmen, and houses that will only sell c
192 SunriseValley : Also the cost to provide personnel housing for an enlarged Ohakea would be huge
193 777ER : Just read in the domion post that PacBlue is adding a new service on selected Australian-New Zealand flights, the Bronze Class. The ad says that its t
194 NZ107 : Great April Fools joke!! Front page of the NZ Herald! Well it gets people looking..
195 Post contains links Axio : "Air NZ says bosses will crew strike threatened flights" http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5468956 Is this an April Fools Joke?.... Cabin crew
196 Nzrich : Quite a few management from Rob Fyfe down have been trained as crew on the 733 for many years now
197 ANstar : Plus they have ahd a few weeks to do the training....
198 Flyjetstar : I understand that there is an A320 training course taking place today at Rennie Dr.
199 NZ1 : On the contrary. A lot of management, including Rob Fyfe himself, are fully trained Cabin Crew. NZ1
200 Zkpilot : Also they may be able to get away with minimum crew (for emergencies/doors) and just have these managers etc to help with the onboard service.
201 ANstar : Fromt he sound of ti though, these managers are full ytrained, so they could too do the doors. I hear on the grapevine 9 Zeal staff have been stood d
202 TG992 : If this is true, I wonder what grounds Air NZ would use for standing them down.. displaying stickers, slogans, badges etc. I'm almost certain is a leg
203 Anstar : From the MEDIA RELEASE
204 Darenw : On a totally different topic, when is Air NZ expecting its first 777-300ER?
205 TG992 : I can't find the media release anywhere on the web Can you provide a link? I sure hope that awful mangling of the word 'boa' didn't really make it th
206 Mariner : Feather "bowers"? mariner
207 Post contains links NZ560 : Erebus remembrance book stolen from church Rest of story by clicking on the link.
208 ANstar : Sent to me from a friend working in London with Air NZ. It wasn't listed as internal etc had media release clearly written on it. I'm sure you have r
209 NZ1 : I think it may have to do with what was written on the stickers. Not very professional at all. This won't do much to gather support for their cause.
210 Flyjetstar : Feedback has been pretty positive from passengers. It's a talking point and crew get to put our viewpoint across to the public. There isn't anything
211 Darenw : Thanks, will be interesting to see their new seating arrangement
212 TG992 : Just found the media release. The preceding paragraph to the one posted by ANstar says: 'Air New Zealand Group General Manager Short Haul Airlines Bru
213 Aerokiwi : Surely it shouldn't be a point of discussion at all between the public and crew members. And the stickers? Seriously, airlines have pretty strict dre
214 Post contains links 777ER : Staff suspended for fancy dress Air New Zealand subsidiary Zeal has suspended nine of its staff for wearing fancy dress on duty. The suspensions are a
215 Flyjetstar : Yes they were. They were told to remove certain clothing and when they were refused they were suspended. On one flight after they were suspended, the
216 TG992 : That's very interesting, legally..... I will watch with interest.
217 TG992 : A quote from another news article But EPMU national secretary Andrew Little said the suspended members' actions were consistent with the strike notice
218 Zkojh : Christchurch receives international awards for airport marketing The award recognises the effort that CIAL has put into attracting new airlines to Chr
219 Cchan : I would very much love to be on a flight with Rob Fyfe and the senior management serving coffee!
220 CHCalfonzo : Does anyone know anything about NZ1922, BWN-CHC arriving 23:15 tonight?
221 Post contains links NZA320 : Air NZ Easter strike off The union representing Air New Zealand staff has dropped plans to strike at Easter. The Engineering, Printing and Manufacturi
222 Knid : Perhaps is not the reporter fault. You have to question the competence of the union, given that they were unable to give a strike notice that would s
223 NZB : Its NBU doing a charter.
224 NZ107 : Just got the NZ Airpoints newsletter and it had changes to the KoruHour snacks below: I wonder how much you get.. But all that and a beer? Rather inte
225 NZ1 : NBU arriving after completing a charter for the military. It is staying in CHC, departing for AKL at 1700 on Sunday. It is staying here for the Air N
226 TG992 : For a long time now, almost all cabin crew based in New Zealand have been represented by FARSA. Last year (I believe it was) almost all the Zeal crew
227 Post contains links 777ER : 53rd is here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4371533/
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