US A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
I've been reading all of these posts about how low yield the market to Hawaii is cause it's mostly frequent flyer award travelling instead of the business customers who pay the big bucks. So, naturally, it's understandable why airlines are eliminating routes to Hawaii. In the past few months DL has halted service from both ATL and DFW while United has halted the ORD-HNL route. I know these routes weren't eliminated soley because of unprofitability but the airlines must have also taken that into consideration. (I know they've been having pilot disputes.) Any how, my question is how can TWA afford to fly daily nonstops between STL and both HNL and OGG(Maui)? To only HNL I could maybe understand, but OGG as well. How can they make money on these routes? Thanks for anyone with answers.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
This is purely a quess, but TWA has been using the 757 non-stop from Hawaii. Not a huge passenger load. But then, STL wouldn't have the same amount of passengers as say ORD. So it could be profitable for them. Like I said, just a quess.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1245 times:
Remember that the US carriers are very careful with their Hawaii routes and the yeild factor since so many people use their frequent flyer miles on vacations to Hawaii; nice for the pax, expensive for the airlines. That is why the route are frequently flown with older aircraft and sometimes nonstop flights are reduced - the aircraft may be full, but nobody is paying!!
Aa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
As with most airlines Hawaii does does not make much money. However airlines do fly it so their frequent fliers will have place to "spend" their miles. Additionally, it is intersting to note that since the DC10's and L1011's have been parked as well as the older 747's and being replaced by 757's 767's etc many "excess" seats have been eliminated from the market. This has slightly pushed the yields up on the flights (supply and demand). Fianlly with the fuel savings, the trips do occasionally post a slight profit.,
Nwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1200 times:
Northwest must be doing well with HNl service because last year they added DTW-HNL nonstop flights and they have also announced the MSP-HNL is going to be year round nonstop (747 winter months, DC10 summer months) in addition to daily nonstops from LAX, SFO, and SEA to HNL with DC10 aircraft.
MwaferBCN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
I have no inside information, but I think that TWA had marketing agreements on its Hawaii routes. Essentially, a tour group would buy a number of the seats on the plane and then sell these as part of its tour packages. TWA then had the rest of the seats to sell or use for its frequent fliers. This guaranteed (hopefully) a small profit for TWA, and moreso if it could sell the leftover seats. This is the same strategy they used on some of their Caribbean flights.