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More DL/NW Fleet/schedule Changes - Loaded 3/21  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9024 times:
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Latest changes loaded as of 3/21:

- JFK-VCE (DL) will go 764ER (full-flat J seats) starting July 1; comes at expense of JFK-GRU
- JFK-GRU (DL) will remain a 763ER for the summer (originally 764ER starting July 1)
- BKK-NRT (NW) upgraded to A332 from 757 starting June 1
- NRT-HNL (NW) to be 1 744 and 1 333, up from 2 332s
- NRT-GUM (NW) to be 1 332 and 1 763; up from 1 757 and 1 763
- BDL-AMS cut from 5x weekly to 4x weekly; still 757

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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8966 times:



Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
- BKK-NRT (NW) upgraded to A332 from 757 starting June 1
- NRT-HNL (NW) to be 1 744 and 1 333, up from 2 332s

Great news!! Big grin

I always thought NRT-BKK on a single 757 was an insane capacity cut from A333. At least now there's a widebody back on it.


User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

I'll cross post my posting buried in the OAG thread:

Here's the changes for the Summer 2009 schedule uploaded yesterday; the changes compare what was in the schedule last week to what's in it today. I'm only listing NW as I can extract & compare that information in less than 15-minutes whereas DL would take much, much longer.

Atlantic/Pacific --
NRT-HNL - 332 upgraded to 333 (was 332, 744; now 333, 744)
NRT-BKK - upgraded to 332 (was 757)
NRT-GUM - 757 upgraded to 332 (was 757, 763; now 763, 332)
NRT-SPN - second flight reinstated (operated with 757)
BDL-AMS - reduced to 4x weekly 757 (will no longer operate Wed.)

Detroit --
ATW - final SF3 upgraded to CRJ
BMI - added a flight (CRJ)
CHO - both flights upgraded to CRJ
CID - added a flight (CRJ)
GSO - dropped a flight (CRJ)
GSP - dropped a flight (CRJ)
LAX - added a flight (319)
MCO - went from 2x319, 4x320 & 757 to 2x320, 4x757 & 753 (capacity increase)
RSW - added a flight (320)
SFO - dropped a flight (757)

Minneapolis --
ALO - added a flight (SF3)
BUF - dropped a flight (CR9, daily 319 remains)
CMX - one CRJ downgraded to SF3 (now 2xSF3, CRJ)
DLH - went from 4xCRJ, 319 & 320 to 2xCRJ, D9S & 2x320 (capacity increase)
MOT - went from 3xD9S to 4xE75
SFO - added a flight (319)

Memphis --
CVG - dropped a flight (CRJ)
DAY - was to be a new route, but will not operate (single CRJ dropped)
MCI - 320 downgraded to 319
ORD - went from 2xCR9, 319 to CR9, 2xD9S (capacity increse)
YYZ - dropped a flight (CRJ)

[Edited 2009-03-22 08:11:35]


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User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

DL also drops ATL-SYR from 4x (2x CRJ/2x CR7) to 3x CR7. So sad to see them slash SYR so bad. We used to have 5/6x MD80 just a couple years ago. I'm sure if FL added SYR and ALB, we'd both get our mainline back like BUF/ROC in a heartbeat.

User currently offlineJkj777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Well, the 744 from DTW-AMS has been switched out to the A333. Too bad, as I was scheduled to be on the 744. Oh well, at least the world biz product is great on both, so no loss there.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8178 times:

I read in the local paper that NW is adding another afternoon flight to DTW (or MSP, now I can't seem to remember.  banghead  ) They're also adding another daily to MEM, and DL is bringing back two CR7s to ATL. The RON aircraft and the 12:20 will be a CR7, along with either two or three CR2s, depending on the day.

User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

Other DL changes added to the schedule this week:

ATL:
BSB - New 3x weekly starting in Dec
PHF - additional CR7 flight
RNO - 1x weekly 757 to operate on Sunday instead of Saturday (757) Jun thru Sep
SJO - additional 73W July thru Aug

SLC:
CLE - 1x CR9 up to 1x M90 (Jun thru Sep)
COS - 3x CRJ down to 2x CRJ
HLN - 3x CRJ up to 4x CRJ
FAR - 1x CRJ up to 2x CRJ (July and August)
FSD - 1x CRJ up to 2x CRJ (July and August)
YXE - New route 1x CRJ eff Jun 18 (Dailly June, July, Aug, no-op in Sep, 2x weekly CR7 in Oct thru Nov)


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Also looks like a capacity increase from SLC-TUL.......1x CRJ up to 2x CRJ, eff. 04 June.


Yippee......I get some of my service back.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

DL/NW already merged operations in SJU by NW closing its ticket counter and relocating to Delta's. Wonder how many flights they both operate now out of SJU.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7821 times:



Quoting Panamair (Thread starter):
- BKK-NRT (NW) upgraded to A332 from 757 starting June 1

It was only a temporary downgrade due to aircraft being moved in for painting.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
Wonder how many flights they both operate now out of SJU.

NW only operates Saturdays out of SJU.



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7694 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
It was only a temporary downgrade due to aircraft being moved in for painting.

That would be false sir....whoever told you that was mistaken. It was planned as a permanent swap


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7616 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 6):
PHF -

Does PHF ever see mainline at any part of the year? Even with FL there, there's ORF actually being closer to Norfolk and VA Beach.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7491 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):

they use to have one or two M88s up there. ORF use to get all 88s during the summer mon-fri. Then a few RJs mixed with 88s on sat and sun.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7470 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 3):
DL also drops ATL-SYR from 4x (2x CRJ/2x CR7) to 3x CR7. So sad to see them slash SYR so bad.

well it is close to DTW, so some traffic will be routed that way....DL/NW will be significantly smaller than DL+NW. The sum will be smaller than the the parts. This is what mergers do. Shrink to make $$$$$$


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

It should be apparent that DL is restructuring the network to focus on the best hub for each city. SLC is a high LF market during the summer and it is also the westernmost DL/NW hub. DL does not need to operate high frequency service to every hub, esp. if a closer hub has the potential to connect more passengers. When you compound that with the higher costs of longer haul RJ flights, it makes even more sense to restructure the domestic network.

User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7354 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 11):
Does PHF ever see mainline at any part of the year? Even with FL there, there's ORF actually being closer to Norfolk and VA Beach.

I've flown on MD-88s into PHF before, but it's been a few years since I've used that airport, so I don't know what's going on up there right about now.

PHF is a great little airport for the Williamsburg/Hampton/NN area, but ORF will still be the main airport for Norfolk/Va Beach. With all the traffic issues of the HRBT, it is worth paying a few more dollars to fly out of ORF than saving money by flying out of PHF, but missing your flight because you are stuck in traffic in the tunnel.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

CMH stays the same for the most part (thank you FL when it comes to ATL):
-ATL- 1 757, 3 M88, 2 CR9, 1 E75 (schedule differs each day, sometimes there's a 73G instead of CR9 or M88)
-CVG- 1 738, 4 ERJ
-JFK- 3 ERJ, 1 CRJ
-LGA- 4 ERJ, 1 CRJ
-BOS- 3 ERJ

No sign of a return of SLC or LAX flights.



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User currently offlineSNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7226 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
It should be apparent that DL is restructuring the network to focus on the best hub for each city. SLC is a high LF market during the summer and it is also the westernmost DL/NW hub. DL does not need to operate high frequency service to every hub, esp. if a closer hub has the potential to connect more passengers. When you compound that with the higher costs of longer haul RJ flights, it makes even more sense to restructure the domestic network.

Isn't this a classic NW strategy? Cut the overhub flying? EG MSP HNL instead of having DTW/MSP HNL? No MOT DTW instead of a MOT MSP? Etc etc etc...



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7123 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 6):
RNO - 1x weekly 757 to operate on Sunday instead of Saturday (757) Jun thru Sep

What's the point/benefit of a 1x weekly flight?


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1849 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7016 times:

On CDG-ATL, AF has announced that they will take over one of the 3 flights currently operated with DL metal. So AF & DL will each operate 2 flights with their own A/C (as a few years ago)

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6752 times:
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Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 2):
CMX - one CRJ downgraded to SF3 (now 2xSF3, CRJ)

Oh great...........

Quoting Ocracoke (Reply 15):
. With all the traffic issues of the HRBT, it is worth paying a few more dollars to fly out of ORF than saving money by flying out of PHF, but missing your flight because you are stuck in traffic in the tunnel.

Unless your destination is on the PHF side. I have a friend who lives there, and she much rather have me fly into PHF than ORF, just for the very reason you mentioned, just opposite



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5806 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
well it is close to DTW, so some traffic will be routed that way....DL/NW will be significantly smaller than DL+NW. The sum will be smaller than the the parts. This is what mergers do. Shrink to make $$$$$$

And yet they kept giving us the talk about how this was a merger of "Addition, not subtraction".



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5799 times:



Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 17):
Isn't this a classic NW strategy?

Given that DL now has 3 large interior hubs - ATL, DTW, MSP in terms of passengers - and SLC as a large hub in terms of destinations but smaller in terms of passengers - followed by CVG and MEM as small hubs - it is a reasonable strategy for any airline.

I still think the driving factor is to limit the use of RJs on longer flights - over 500 miles - where their economics are less than optimal and where customer preference goes down.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5510 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
I still think the driving factor is to limit the use of RJs on longer flights - over 500 miles - where their economics are less than optimal and where customer preference goes down.

I wish DL had started doing this five years ago. There is a limit to how long someone will fly in a CRJ-200, CR7 or CR9. I'd say two hours is the limit.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

What about CVG? Any cutbacks/additions from there?


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
25 Panamair : They did. They ADDED Asia/Pacific and the Upper Midwest U.S. to Delta; and they ADDED Latin America/Africa/Middle East/More Europe, Southeastern U.S.
26 Burnsie28 : You could easily argue that was added when NW joined Skyteam... plus NW already had several of those latin/South America connections with CO.
27 Panamair : But what good did it do NW when it wasn't its own metal on those routes gaining the full revenues, etc.,? How much revenue/profits did it contribute
28 Colts001 : PHF does not get any mainline it is mostly CR2 with an occasional CR7. ORF last year used to be mainline with an occasional CRJ but now it is the rev
29 SNCntry32 : Pre BK, NW had a lot of over fly the hub routes, but post BK they restructured to eliminate a lot of that. I think I could see DL doing more. All thr
30 DeltAirlines : PHF will be upgraded during the summer to 8x CRJ-700s on the weekdays (no CRJs). Saturdays are 5x CR7 and a CRJ, Sundays are 7x CRJ-700 and a CRJ-200
31 Jkudall : The ATL-PHF schedule is currently showing 7x CR7, 1x CR9, 1x M88 starting June 4th then goes back down to 2x CRJ, 6x CR7, 1x CR9 after summer.
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : I thought that Newport News saw more CR7s than CRJs. Although my girlfriend lives in VA Beach, she's actually closer to Norfolk than the Ocean front.
33 DeltaL1011man : If i cant get into PHF then I go to RIC. I try to stay out of ORF just because it can take a year and a day to get to the other side. That tunnel can
34 Ocracoke : Ah. Ok. That's what I mentioned in the first part of my response....... If I lived on the Peninsula, I would use PHF as well. Heck, I'd even look tow
35 Katwspotter : actually that Saab from DTW has been gone or about 6 months now.
36 DLPMMM : Cruise Ship and package holidays where there are price/load guarantees with the ship/tour operator.
37 BMI727 : It is. They are just cutting out the overlapping parts so they can ADD more flights later. Despite what some on these boards think, many airline exec
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Well Geographically, yes, but you would either A. get on 264 or drive all the way down Shore Drive past Fort Story to get to Atlantic Avenue. It's ab
39 MaverickM11 : This is interesting. They seemed to put the 764 to shore up an in trouble market with the new product but now that's not happening. In SEP08, the lat
40 Aeroflot777 : Makes sense! Thank you! Aeroflot777
41 Brandonfs88 : Oh it's not that bad......9E and winter conditions up at CMX never mixed very well any who
42 KaiGywer : Touché
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