Workflyer From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
They had VC10's on the run through 70 - 73. I remember looking at them at AKL when I was a kid. My Dad was a catering manager at the airport so we wouild go down and look at he planes quite a lot.
A quick digression from the thread, my Dad's saddest day was after he had catered Pan Am 806 (A Boeing 707) only to get home and hear all but four people were lost when it crashed at Pago Pago. PPG
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3214 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2827 times:
Late 60s/early 70s SVC10 MEL-SYD-NAN-HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR, aircraft arrived in MEL from LHR via Asia & vv. Boeing 707-436 service LHR-(Asia)-SYD-AKL-NAN connected to SVC10 service. As well they flew HKG-HND-HNL-SFO with SVC10 (I think). Over time there were variations on the exact routing eg I think there was non stop HKG-HNL service mixed in there too.
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1): Well this won't give too many details, but around 1973 my family and I flew HNL-NAN-SYD on a Boeing 720 on BOAC.
Not to nit pick but BOAC never had B720s, they had B707-436s (Rolls Royce Conway engines), they may also have had B707-336, not sure about that.
TN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 426 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2552 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5): Late 60s/early 70s SVC10 MEL-SYD-NAN-HNL-LAX-JFK-LHR, aircraft arrived in MEL from LHR via Asia & vv. Boeing 707-436 service LHR-(Asia)-SYD-AKL-NAN connected to SVC10 service. As well they flew HKG-HND-HNL-SFO with SVC10 (I think). Over time there were variations on the exact routing eg I think there was non stop HKG-HNL service mixed in there too
By Oct 73, the flights into Aust from Asia had been upgraded to 747, some of them routing through HKG. all flights into Aust from the pacific were still SVC10. source: Intercontinental timetable Oct - Dec 73. The couple of flights AKL-NAN-AKL seemed to have been dropped with TE taking up the slack with their DC8, and the SVC10 flying direct NAN into and out of Aust. Interestingly enough,there were still 2 weekly SVC10 services originating LHR into Aust from Asia and terminating in AKL, then returning from whence they came. There were also a couple of SVC10 services coming in from Asia and terminating in BNE.
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Type-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2343 posts, RR: 27 Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2488 times:
I remember those BOAC Rolls Royce 707's. They flew them alternately with the VC-10 out of ORD. They really screamed during take off! I think RR claimed that they used a lot less runway than the regular 707's of other airlines.
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BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2312 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2422 times:
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5): Not to nit pick but BOAC never had B720s, they had B707-436s (Rolls Royce Conway engines), they may also have had B707-336, not sure about that.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1412 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
What rights, if any, does BA still hold for trans-Pacific flights that were inherited from BOAC? Though many would never be used I'd love to know what traffic rights BA has from days gone by - Pacific and elsewhere, including fifth-freedom.
In addition to the 19 early 707-420s, BOAC also purchased 8 707-320Cs and 2 -320Bs. Their last few 707s were delivered more than a year after their first 747-100s.
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5): I think there was non stop HKG-HNL service mixed in there too.
I can't recall that, and HKG-HNL would have been a stretch for the 707, and certainly well beyond the Super VC-10's economic range.
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 5): As well they flew HKG-HND-HNL-SFO with SVC10 (I think).
I thought the 707 was the only type used on BA's North Pacific services, apart from the first year or so between the start of the service in 1959 and December 1960 when the Britannia 312 was used on the LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-HND-HKG route. Even the 707 was sometimes stretched for range on the HNL-HND sector due to the frequently strong headwinds. BA's inaugural 707 flight on that route in December 1960 had to make a fuel stop at Wake Island between HNL and HND.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5460 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1765 times:
Dunno if BOAC planned to use the DC-7C transpacific, but by the time they got rights the Britannia had arrived. Twice weekly SFO-HNL-Wake-TYO-HKG; the timetable shows no Wake stop eastward. Like he said, B707s took over in 12/60 with no Wake stop shown in the timetable in either direction.
HNL-NAN-SYD started in 1967, still with 707s and still from SFO. In 1968 or '69 the Sydney flight moved to LAX and became VC10; AFAIK the flight to TYO was never a VC10.
HKG-HNL nonstop does sound unlikely with a 707-- wasn't HKG's runway still 8350 ft until somewhere around 1970?
On the HNL-SFO leg of my flight AKL-LHR, the f/a's put on leis and we were served several free mai-tai's.
At SFO we had a six or seven hour stopover. I believe this was to do with the timing of the arrival at JFK. There were about a dozen of us continuing, and BOAC put us all into a good motel near the airport and we were given an excellent dinner.
The 707 on the SFO-JFK leg continued on to LHR, but JFK was a zoo of over-booking. I was transferred to the VC10 and upgraded to First.
Egcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1721 times:
Back in the early-to-mid 60's, if I was lucky enough to scoot over to HNL late at night (11-ish?), I would sometimes see a BOAC 707 parked at the terminal.
Airvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 248 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 16): At SFO we had a six or seven hour stopover. I believe this was to do with the timing of the arrival at JFK. There were about a dozen of us continuing, and BOAC put us all into a good motel near the airport and we were given an excellent dinner.
QF did the same. Probably the same "shared "timetable. Did they put the “Y” passengers into the motel as well? I was a teenager at the time travelling “F” with my parents. I didn’t realise till much later, when I took an interest in aviation, that there were people in the back
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 14544 posts, RR: 92 Reply 22, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 21): Did they put the “Y” passengers into the motel as well?
I was Y.
My father worked for Imperial/BOAC pretty much all his life, but he had a couple of severe heart attacks and would never fly again.
So BOAC let me fly to see him at 90% staff rebate. I got all the goodies - such as the great dinner at the SFO motel - and it was frabjous to be upgraded to F for the trans-Atlantic leg.
I still remember the lunch they served in the front cabin.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 857 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1571 times:
There are public domain pictures of the Britannia at HNL. What an airplane that would have been if it had been delivered on time. Speaking of 707-436's, there used to be one at the Franklin Institute in Center City Philadelphia.
Rongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 473 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1492 times:
I still have the route maps, menus and tickets for my 1969 flights by BOAC 707 on the routings described. I also have the special card giving us instructions for the 6 hour SFO stopover mentioned by Mariner.
I flew AKL-NAN by NZ DC8 and connected to the BOAC 707 NAN-HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR. On NAN-HNL we were told that far off to the left Apollo 11 was splashing down.
10 days later I returned by the same route, but due to a baggage loaders strike at LHR we were delayed and I missed the NZ connection at NAN. At that time there were only 2 flights a week NAN-AKL, so I got an unexpected 3 day tropical holiday.
What is most interesting in looking at the documets is that my 1969 round trip fare was NZD 1865 in Y, which represented 14 months' pay for me at the time! You can still do it for that today, but it now represents less than 2 days of my current charge out rate..
25 Mariner: Thank you for the link, Rongotai. That brings back wonderful memories. mariner
26 Airvan00: Thanks for that. I had forgotten the name of the motel, but when I saw International Inn I remembered it. The QF flight number was the same, 530, and
27 RJNUT: its interesting that in that timetable link from 1962 , they show a THR-TLV routing on to London! My , times have changed!
28 Timz: The Flight airport guide (copyright 1974) shows HKG's runway as 2545 meters. Probably the extension opened during 1974.
29 DavidByrne: Just a further note about BOAC's Pacific services: When the AKL-NAN sector commenced, it was prior to BOAC starting its service from SYD to the USA. T
30 Dc863: Imagine trying to land a 747 or DC-10 on a 8350 foot runway with a dropoff on one end into the harbor.
31 Jetfuel: July 1971 Mel-SYD-NAN VC10. Interesting enough we had bought Qantas tickets but were on a BOAC service. I recall at the time to oprtion to fly the sam
32 LH459: Just curious, was IDL-LHR operated as a daylight sector given the midnight departure from SFO, or was there another extended layover in JFK?
33 DavidByrne: AKL's runway was only 8,500 ft long when first opened in 1965, and for a good number of years thereafter, before it was extended (IIRC) to 10,500 ft
34 Mariner: In my case, in 1967, JFK-LHR was a daytime flight, and mine was not the only BOAC departure to LHR that morning. mariner
35 Airvan00: It was a 10am departure from IDL. In my case we slipped a day in New York and took the next days BOAC flight.
36 HNL-Jack: A lot of great information and memories contained in this thread. Lot of history amongst the A-netters. Perhaps we should have more such threads. Agai
37 Timz: The 5/67 OAG shows BA 530 flying 3/week and QF 530 4/week on the same schedule: lv SYD 1900 NAN 0040-0125 HNL 0930-1100 SFO 1845-0001 JFK 0800-1000 ar
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