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FedEx Might Cancel $6.7 Billion 777F Order  
User currently offlineSM92 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23417 times:

The local Memphis paper is reporting that FedEx could cancel the 2nd order for 777Fs from Boeing. Seems that there is an escape clause for the 777F orders scheduled for delivery from 2014-2019 if the Teamster Union is allowed to organize at FedEx. The article goes on to say that this could open the door for FedEx to purchase Airbus jets instead.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...-fedex-warns-lawmakers-over-union/

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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23367 times:

I don't have a problem with that, having the Teamsters come in and destroy FedEx would be much worse. Hopefully ALL the 777's will grace the skies with FX and the IBT will be sitting outside the gate looking in. I'm sure that this push by the IBT is in part a way to make up the lost dues that they lost when they did NOT stand up for the DHL workers in the US.

FX1816


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23316 times:

Maybe DL could pick them up to replace the aging 747F's they now have. How do they compare, performance wise?


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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23293 times:

Well, I call BS on this one. Airbus doesn't have anything currently on the plate, or even planned, that can do what a 777F can do. In fact, there's NOTHING out there that can do what a 777F can do, nothing at all. It's all politics, but who knows - a few DC politicians ignorant of what the capabilities of individual aircraft are may fall for it.

On the other hand, if the USAF does sign up for the KC-330, and Airbus does set up a FAL in the US, well then it could get really interesting.

But, for now, I'll raise the BS flag.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23302 times:

I don't see Delta making such a capital investment for freighters. They might do well taking up second hand "somethings" on a lease instead of owning the a/c outright.


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User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23226 times:

Though this is just a political attempt to block unions, I don't like the logic behind the B777 order. Ok, old aircraft need replacement, but Airbus has better products available, ie A332F (better size-wise for A300 replacement), A350F (more efficient than B772F for MD replacement) and for FX as a package freighter, the A380F.

Patriotism is nice, but business common sense puts self before others. It's a very competitve environment out there, there's little to no room for patriotism. It's more patriotic when you can get the best working tools, wherever they come from, so you can grow and hire more people in your country.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5465 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23182 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
In fact, there's NOTHING out there that can do what a 777F can do, nothing at all

For the purposes of a package operator, the capabilities of 3 777Fs and the capabilities of 2 A388Fs are strikingly similar.

Now that production issues are sorted out, I'm sure Airbus would be happy to produce 20 A388Fs for FX.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1359 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23149 times:

NCB

The problem with your suggestions is that a) the A350F has not been launched and b) the A330F comes nowhere close in capabilities vs the B777F. I don't think FX ordering the B777F had anything to do with patriotism, but everything to do with the cancelled A380F and the spectacular performance offered by the B777F. The only time patriotism, however much misguided it may be, comes into play is when FedEx wants to keep the Teamsters away.

The 777F is not intended to replace anything - it's there to do weird and wonderful things like flying direct MEM to Asia, without having to put down in Anchorage for a splash of go-juice.

And until such time Airbus decides to re-launch the A380F, which in the current market seems very far away indeed, that's not really an option ...



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2710 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22993 times:



Quoting NCB (Reply 5):
I don't like the logic behind the B777 order.

Evidently. Your alternative is a complete order of Airbus freighter products, some of which don't even exist yet. Is that logic any more sound?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22973 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
For the purposes of a package operator, the capabilities of 3 777Fs and the capabilities of 2 A388Fs are strikingly similar.

The A388F doesn't exist.

How does canceling the Boeing order and buying an Airbus solve the teamster problem?

Now, I could see them changing to a 777BCF instead. Or just using this ploy to get a better deal from Boeing on the 777F.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22840 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
On the other hand, if the USAF does sign up for the KC-330, and Airbus does set up a FAL in the US, well then it could get really interesting.

But, for now, I'll raise the BS flag.

How does a "made in USA" sticker make the Airbus product more compelling and capable?

If the Boeing product is best then they should bloody well take it, same for the Airbus. It sepends what they need to do. The A300 fleet is relatively new and in no need of replacement in the medium to long term. It looks to me like the 777 was intended to replace/complement DC10/MD11 fleets. I don't think the 332 is currently up to that task, certainly not in the way the 777 is, the only possible Airbus products might be some sort of 343 conversions or 380s, Im not sure that the A380 is ideal, I think it might be a bit too big, which is fine in boom times, but might not be a stable and viable business plan.

Brian.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2823 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22837 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
How does canceling the Boeing order and buying an Airbus solve the teamster problem?

Bingo. This is political posturing, nothing more or less.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22747 times:

The A380 has a huge drawback as any type of freighter. That is its double deck configuration. Not a big deal in terms of hub operations perhaps, build a half dozen gates with special loaders and you are ready to go. How many non hub locations however would have that capability and who pays to aquire it? This would also limit the number of possible charter destinations. The current crop of widebodies can all operate from the same loaders which gives access to virtually anywhere.

I spent 17 years at FedEx before departing in the big buyout of 03. The past two years I fought night and day trying to help turn DHL around from its operational mistakes and draconian labor agreements with the IBT. The IBT at FedEx would cripple the company in less than two years, and that is assuming that they could ever get an agreement in the first place.


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 22516 times:



Quoting NCB (Reply 5):
don't like the logic behind the B777 order. Ok, old aircraft need replacement, but Airbus has better products available, ie A332F (better size-wise for A300 replacement), A350F (more efficient than B772F for MD replacement) and for FX as a package freighter, the A380F.

The 777F's are not meant to replace the A300's. FX's A300 fleet is still very young has they were one of the last customers to take on new A300's along with UPS. The 777F's are really meant to gradually phase out the MD-11's.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30984 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22446 times:
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Right now, Airbus doesn't even build a freighter, so how choosing them makes economic sense is beyond me.

The A300-600F is no longer being produced.
The A350-900F is just a picture on a PowerPoint slide.
The A380-800F has been placed on hiatus for the time being.
The A330-200F has also been placed on hiatus due to demand for the passenger model.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22369 times:



Quoting BW424 (Reply 13):
The 777F's are not meant to replace the A300's. FX's A300 fleet is still very young has they were one of the last customers to take on new A300's along with UPS. The 777F's are really meant to gradually phase out the MD-11's.

Originally, the 777F was for growth in light of the suspension of the A380F program. The 15 777F gave them essentially the same lift as the 10 A380F would have.


User currently offlineGF777 From Bahrain, joined Jan 2009, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22170 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
there's NOTHING out there that can do what a 777F can do

100% correct. and both A380F and A330F programs are on hold for now, not even started


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20127 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 3):
On the other hand, if the USAF does sign up for the KC-330, and Airbus does set up a FAL in the US, well then it could get really interesting.

But, for now, I'll raise the BS flag.

How does a "made in USA" sticker make the Airbus product more compelling and capable?

If the Boeing product is best then they should bloody well take it, same for the Airbus. It sepends what they need to do. The A300 fleet is relatively new and in no need of replacement in the medium to long term. It looks to me like the 777 was intended to replace/complement DC10/MD11 fleets. I don't think the 332 is currently up to that task, certainly not in the way the 777 is, the only possible Airbus products might be some sort of 343 conversions or 380s, Im not sure that the A380 is ideal, I think it might be a bit too big, which is fine in boom times, but might not be a stable and viable business plan.

Brian.

This is just pure speculation but maybe he doesn't mean that if it has a "made in the USA" sticker on it as you suggest then FedEx will buy it. Maybe what he meant was that with the A330 (KC-330) being built here and it is some what of a cargo aircraft that maybe the Passenger A330's will still be made in Europe but commercial freighter A330's can be made in Alabama. They would need something to help keep the line going as the KC-330 order would eventually be tapped out and that would be a shame to waste the facilities Airbus and Northrop Grumman have built in Alabama.

Again just pure speculation on my part.

FX1816


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20044 times:

I'm going to have to side with the political BS call on this one.

Nothing out there fits what FedEX wants to do better than the 777F. The 350F possibly, the 388F possibly... except neither exist, or are likely too for quite a while yet. Ofcourse if the union gets in at FedEX they have far bigger issues than 15 777Fs.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19990 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 18):
The 350F possibly

It might, if it can interchange main deck pallets with the DC10/MD11. The A330 fuse is too small for this, so the A330F could only interchange pallets with the A300F unless Fedex wants to waste main deck volume, which is not efficient for a package carrier who needs volume to be maximized.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19968 times:



Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 18):
Ofcourse if the union gets in at FedEX they have far bigger issues than 15 777Fs.

Yup like survivability, the IBT really knows how to screw things up, ie DHL US.

FX1816


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19927 times:

So, let me get this straight: FedEx could cancel an order for Boeing aircraft if the Teamsters (which have nothing to do with Boeing) set up at FedEx; does Boeing get any say in this?

Also, doesn't the question of whether or not a union sets up at a company depend on the employees voting to be part of that union? Have FedEx employees done this?

Does this clause apply to all unions or just the teamsters - and why are they perceived as being less desirable/worse than other unions?


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19881 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
It might, if it can interchange main deck pallets with the DC10/MD11.

Can't really see why a 350F couldn't do so. It should be big enough I would think (sorry far too lazy to look up dimensions at 2:30AM  Wink ) It's kind of academic anyway, as the 350F is probably *at least* 10 years off, and probably closer to 15 or 20.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19852 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):
Quoting Osiris30 (Reply 18):
The 350F possibly

It might, if it can interchange main deck pallets with the DC10/MD11. The A330 fuse is too small for this, so the A330F could only interchange pallets with the A300F unless Fedex wants to waste main deck volume, which is not efficient for a package carrier who needs volume to be maximized.

If the A330F has the same fuselage circumference that the A300/310 have then it can carry the exact same pallets or Containers that the MD-11/MD-10 carry. At ONT we used the same cans on all of them. AKE/AVE's in the bellies along with PAG cookie sheet pallets in the lowers of the MD's that have the larger belly door and ONLY in the FWD Lowers on the A300/A310. On topside we would load AYY/AYX's, SAA/SAX's, along with AMJ's, if we had pallets for topside they could be PAG's (88x125) or PMC's (96x125). Now because of the narrower fuselage the A300/310's could only take AMJ's in one row on the left 1L-9L on the A300 and 1L-6L on the A310 with demi's (AYY/AYX's) on the right side. So they could interchange with the Airbii and the MD's it's just that the MD's can hold more, especially AMJ's.

FX1816


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

I love the fact that they are basically saying:

"Stop what you are doing and behave or we'll cancel your nice shiny new Boeings and get some crappy Airbuses instead (which will not be as good, you'll hate them, and they are built not by honest Americans but by Pierre the Frenchman). Do you want that on your conscience? Poor Americans starving because Pierre and Fritz took their jobs? It will be all your fault if you end up with the Scarebus. Dont say we didnt warn you. Get back to work."

Dear me.

[Edited 2009-03-25 00:03:29]


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
25 Astuteman : In a timeframe to 2014, I'd agree. In a timeframe to 2019, I suspect that both would be considered likely candidates. Ignoring the petulant nonsense
26 LAXintl : Such walk away clauses believe it or not are pretty common across the industry. As I understand it, AA has something similar in place for its 787 ord
27 Imag : As a total outsider, can someone explain what the issue is here. Not about the planes, but about the unions as I have no idea what a Teamster is...
28 Kappel : Could it also be that they might want the a332F instead of the 777F because of the reduction in demand for cargo? The a332F is smaller after all...
29 Jonathan-l : The above is not correct regarding the A330F: -The A330-200F is well into its industrial process with 1st parts currently being produced, final assem
30 Jush : I second that. Could someone shed some light on the Union thing. That would be really helpful. Regds jush
31 Na : Fedex should be clever and take some highly bargained 744BCFs instead of the high-priced 777F. 744s from the mid-90s could still fly 20 years and more
32 Danfearn77 : Totally agree and you beat me to it. Why, wih so many 744's being parked, dont FX take advantage and place a big order for the 744BCF? SUrely they co
33 MotorHussy : Sounds like misinformation to me. Sounds like someone's feeding the media with stories about teamsters heavying business into a situation where we're
34 LHRlocal : I third that, i would love to understand this thread. Say what? That could be german for all i know, i really need a cargo operators abbreviation dic
35 Robffm2 : I don't see any reference in the article that FedEx might shop with Airbus instead.
36 Bennett123 : IMO the key issue here is that the B777F are due for EIS in 2014-2019. Lots can happen in that time.
37 Jush : I'm German and I tell you it's kisuaheli for me. Either I stop reading this thread or someone definately has to lighten us up here. Regds jush
38 AirbusA6 : There's a whole load of carriers trying to wriggle out of orders made before the downturn, as the recent order binge during the economic bubble turns
39 Lumberton : Neither do I, but why let that stop a good A vs B dust up?
40 Post contains links Typhaerion : Here is the AP version of the article that may shed some more light: FedEx May Delay Plane Buys if Union Bill Passes There are a few things of note he
41 Burkhard : I never heared of an A350F - neither of a B78F - plastic planes and freighter don't go well togehter. Freighters need massive pay load, something the
42 777STL : Fair or not, FX is basically leveraging its purchases and the benefits for the economy derived from these purchases against the unions. Having worked
43 Stitch : With respect, Astuteman, if the argument was that an airline should cancel their order for an A330-200 or A330-300 with deliveries prior to, say, 201
44 Mayor : It only makes sense if you think that the freight market won't rebound, ever. Doesn't make too much sense to buy a/c that don't have the capacity of
45 757GB : Thank you so much for the explanation Typhaerion. It definitely helps, and so does the article. I was googling "teamster" and "IBT" to get the drift,
46 Hamlet69 : LOL!! If you're going to accuse a company of bias, you might chose not to show your own. Or, perhaps you just have no idea why FedEx chose the 777F?
47 BMI727 : The A330 does not have the same range as the 777. There is no A350F yet. The A380F is on hold until someone orders some. There is zero need to replac
48 727forever : I am no fan of the IBT, but you continue making these comments and I would like to remind you that DHL would have screwed up in the US regardless of
49 Zeke : Actually in my view, the 777LFR is the wrong aircraft for Fedex, they would be far better off with a BCF version of a 77W. The 777LFR was built for p
50 Mayor : Well, the customer pays for that dimensional weight, too.
51 AA777223 : It must be nice to not have to worry about these organizations...
52 GARUDAROD : See if this helps....http://www.azfreighters.com/planes/unitload.pdf
53 Ikramerica : Well, not the unions themselves, but what should be named the "Union Intimidation Approval Act of 2009". This bill has at it's core the removal of se
54 Flaps : This statement is true, however, the IBT had a large role in the execution and planning as well. The hurdles and roadblocks that they put in play mad
55 Astuteman : You shot me down there... The difference I guess is that I think the 787-10 will be built, as will the A350F. (I actually think the A380F will appear
56 Ikramerica : I think an A380CF will one day appear, and FX have said they would be interested in such a plane even when they ordered the A380F new build.
57 Stitch : Well I remain skeptical we will ever see an A380-800F. I think the 747-8F and 777F just offer a more compelling product to most cargo carriers and wh
58 FX1816 : Basically I'm saying that the A330F, when it comes around can interchange containers with the MD's. I understand your point but since I worked there
59 Johningrr : I think we are reading too much into this as far as it becoming a possible Airbus purchase. I am reading: 1. The Boeing order is at risk if the Teamst
60 Typhaerion : You are more than welcome. I hate it when I am out in the cold as well on a topic. It is amazing what gets legalized when people choose to ignore the
61 Post contains links AustrianZRH : http://tinyurl.com/cec2jr Sorry guys, couldn't resist to try that site for once . No hard feelings please . With due respect, I think if FedEx was ca
62 Stitch : FX's original order was for only 10 and they didn't want to wait until 2012 for the first one so they pulled out, eventually forcing Airbus to place
63 DALMD88 : Somewhat true, the threat is also aimed at congress. FedEx is saying don't change the laws for union organizing or we'll back out of the 777F and all
64 Buddys747 : Where do you get this information from? Google some neutral websites and find out the facts about the Employee Free Choice Act. If anything, I'd say
65 Mayor : I have understood that the "Card Check" bill does not apply to airlines covered under the Railway Labor Act. I have no proof of this, just what I've
66 Tockeyhockey : isn't airbus more heavily unionized than boeing? and aren't the countries in which airbus manufactures their jets and jet components socialist in natu
67 Buddys747 : That would be correct. Employee free choice act covers NLRB. In this case here though we are talking about Fed-Ex shipping,etc that the teamsters are
68 Post contains links Sm92 : You are right. Looks like the article has been edited and change from its original text. Even some of the quotes were not there earlier. Another pape
69 Jfk777 : The Teamsters are hurting the very people they claim to be "saving" or whose working conditons are improving.
70 EXAAUADL : they arent saying that the alternative is Airbus, the alternative is nothing No it isnt. Ive read thru some but not all the posts. No one here seems
71 NCB : The article mentions orders for deliveries between 2014-2019. If you take new-built freighters, you better make sure you take the cherry on the cake.
72 Dank : Lets also add in the fact that the underlying assumption throughout many responses in this thread is that the 777F is the best choice for FedEx now (
73 FLALEFTY : If NLRB and the Teamsters get their way, FedEx will shrink significantly. That means no more 777F, A380F, 747BCF or A330F orders for a long time. It w
74 Buddys747 : I'm not so sure I understand your logic. Does anyone really know if the union was brought in, what would they really be going for? It's not always ab
75 Stitch : What's going to be better? And if you say A350-900F, please provide the following information so a comparison can be made: Cubic Volume: Maximum Payl
76 Ikramerica : I'd welcome a law that made it illegal for employers to do that. But to make a law that basically legalizes the reverse is just as stupid. And of cou
77 Dank : Hi Stitch, I think that you may be missing is what I was trying to point out. One could ask the question, what else could do what FedEx planned the 7
78 Stitch : Well when FX bought it, they said they wanted to link their hubs in China with their hubs in North America. That distance is around 12000km. The A330
79 Dank : Stitch, Sorry if I seem obtuse, but you still are missing my point. You are hung up on the mission being the same. I'm not saying that at the time of
80 Baw716 : I cannot believe FX would cancel their 777F order. That aircraft solves a lot of problems for FX, and as was sadly proven at NRT, the MD-11 is quickly
81 Burkhard : But it is done by global enterprises every day, put union in one country againts union in another country. GM union in Germany against union in Swede
82 AustrianZRH : Actually reading the original post carefully would have helped me . I thought they were talking about all the FX 77Fs on order, which would be 30+15.
83 Buddys747 : Ikramerica., your avaition posts are very informative, however your information is wrong on the employee free choice act. I don't want to beat on thi
84 Revelation : And for the next 20 years suffer higher maintenance costs (4 engines per plane) and higher fuel costs (GE90 is a generation newer than CF6 et al). An
85 Dank : Nah, if you read what I said, I was exploring another possibility which hadn't been raised (hence the devil's advocate comment). Evidently, I shouldn
86 Mayor : Well, if I read the article correctly, Fedex is not at this time covered under the Railway Labor Act. If that is true, putting them under it would ma
87 Stitch : I'm honestly not missing your point, Dank. I just don't agree with it. FedEx exercised their 15 777 freighter options on 12 January 2009. I cannot be
88 Na : ... and carry more load, and need a lot smaller loan. It makes sense, thats why the majority of cargo operators operate 744Fs.
89 Stitch : Yes, but all those folks fly cargo of a much higher density and weight then 5X and FX. 5X does have a "heavy cargo" division which is why they fly a
90 Fxra : Yes, it can carry more load, bu with FedEX, they don't use containers or build pallets to take advantage of the extra cube. Example, the can that Fed
91 Lightsaber : The two most militant unions in the USA are the IAM and the Teamsters. The teamsters originally were just that, a wagon driver (Teamster) union. They
92 Mayor : My mistake. I read the article incorrectly.
93 Mrocktor : The clause is not about buying Airbus instead of Boeing, its about not buying any planes at all when a union is prone to come in and potentially wreck
94 Post contains links Brendows : Source: http://news.van.fedex.com/node/7393
95 Stitch : The US has been a "credit consumer economy" for a number of years. (Discussing why delves into politics which is off-topic.) With credit markets now
96 Ikramerica : Obama was inaugurated 7 days later, and has since shown himself to be far more socialist that "experts" thought he would be. Everyone without a brain
97 Stitch : Thanks, Brendows. So MD-11Fs tasked to those missions go out at around 73.5t and the 777F will go out at about 77.5t - about 5% more, which maps well
98 Trex8 : does it make $ sense to try fly sectors of 14,000 km even at todays gas prices?
99 Slider : I would. I'll outright say it--they're corrupt and are bought and sold every day. Whores. Good synopsis. Therein lies the rub--compulsory unionism is
100 Stitch : In general, making the stop is often the better idea. Even though the distance between PVG and MEM direct is the same as PVG-ANC-MEM (12,000km), with
101 EXAAUADL : take a finance 101 course. Dont worry youre not the only one who doesnt understand what Im talking about on here
102 Lightsaber : Yea... that is a disparity between this claim and the order. Everything you wrote made sense until you noted 'another MD-10-10F.' First, where are th
103 413x3 : sounds to me like a news plant to hide the fact that this crash will cost them a lot of money
104 Ikramerica : where are all the parked 77Es?
105 413x3 : albert einstein once said that if you yourself cannot explain it in simple terms, then you don't know what you are talking about
106 RayChuang : I do think FedEx will continue the 777F order for one reason: to replace the MD-11F freighter fleet. After two landing accidents under adverse weather
107 777STL : That's very true. I experienced that on smaller scale at UPS - mostly union stewards would come around threatening to have you fired if you didn't do
108 Post contains links Lightsaber : There was a thread on VCV recently and the SQ 77Es (derated). The number of 77A's is greater, but mostly as there is no demand for them as the A333 i
109 Ikramerica : Well yeah, the SQ birds. But that hardly counts as an "impressive" number of 77Es. 772s are a different story. They are just as expensive to fly as 7
110 T5towbar : I wouldn't say that. The Teamsters is one of the most powerful, but not the most militant. That title may belong to ASFCME and SEIU. Not really......
111 SEPilot : Too bad-I can think of a few I'd like to sell cheap. As to the teamsters, any foreigners wondering about them should just google "Jimmy Hoffa." It's
112 Lightsaber : There are good unions and bad unions. As I noted in my post, I'm fine with another union organizing FedEx. The teamsters would change their business
113 CRJAvionics : Yes this is a political move, but it does have the math to back it up. Lets say all of this happenes: first the hub workers would vote on a union (and
114 FrmrCAPCADET : Unions strong enough to do the job are also strong enough to abuse their power. As are banks, energy companies, investment firms, retail stores, etc e
115 Buddys747 : Totally wrong. I suggest once again you find out the facts about the Employee Free Choice act. Is this what they are truly going for or just your opi
116 Lightsaber : If unionization changes their ROI, it changes the business case. But you are right. The economy could be the main cause, but then why the confirmatio
117 747400sp : GOOD! Seeing a Fed Ex 777F, would remind me that they will not have any A388F anytime soon. I say, they should just up date the MD11s and MD10s they h
118 Adriaticus : Correct. Actually, the first, preferred choice was the A380F. It was only after Airbus made clear they wouldn't be delivered on time, that FedEx went
119 Khobar : Bull - it's all about. Benefits are part of pay, ultimately. Job security - part of pay. Everything comes down to simple dollars.
120 MIA : What is it with the anti-union sentiment on this board?
121 SEPilot : A lot of us have seen very bad things happen when unions are involved, and would like to avoid them in the future. I much prefer to have the threat o
122 Post contains links Blueshamu330s : On Randy's latest Blog entry, one of the regular commentators has submitted this surprising comment: Norman (Long Beach, California, United States): 1
123 Lexy : Take a look at the automotive industry in Detroit and see what Unions do to a company. They suck them dry and essentially make them unable to compete
124 Lightsaber : I'm not sure as its just a comment. The US based cargo airlines have not done well, but the integrators have thrived globally. I'm still waiting for
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