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NZ Looking At Replacing Its B737 Fleet  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9714 times:
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Air New Zealand is expected to start replacing its domestic Boeing 737-300 fleet in the next two years at a cost of up to $2.2 billion.

Competition from Pacific Blue and Jetstar using new, larger, more comfortable and more fuel-efficient planes is putting pressure on the airline to upgrade its older planes.

Industry sources said Air NZ was looking at the bigger Airbus A320 and the Boeing 737-800 flown by Pacific Blue and Jetstar.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...-looks-at-replacing-domestic-fleet

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User currently onlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9567 times:

Seems reasonable. I would agree with the article that the A320 would definitely have the edge over the 737-800. I dont know if Boeing will make a good enough deal to make operating a fleet of about 12 each (i.e. 737/A320) be the most cost effective choice. I also question how committed Boeing would be to swap the 320's for 737s and standardize NZ on Boeing.


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9520 times:

I have one internal Question for Air NZ people.

I know those A320s currently used for Trans Tasman are operated by subsidiary company that was basically born out of the old freedomair, whiched helped get costs down. With that in Mind, are NZ's domestic 733 crews also part of this? I'm under the impression that they're not and in fact just regular mainline NZ staff.

So will NZ have an issue then? The reason I ask is this is one of the key reasons why Jetstar operates the A320 and Qantas operate the 737-800. It avoided union clashes and conflicts with regard to pay scales. The last thing NZ would want to have to do is increase its costs on Trans Tasman flying because of a change in it's domestic market. So given that (1) these are likely seperate groups already, (2) NZ alraedy have the expense of operating 2 different types... the upgage in aircraft would just constitute a saving, maybe NZ would be willing to go down the 738 road?

(3) NZ uses its CHC engineering base to do a lot of 3rd party work. Maybe they'd like to see this continue and with enough external work there, the additional type wont matter as much?


Also are any of the 733 airports suffering unusually short runways? I know for SAS this was the main reason for the choice of the 736, being able to get in and out of particularly short regional airports in sweden that they slightly larger but more economical 737-300 would have struggled with.


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9500 times:

In the current economic climate I wouldn't be surprised at all if Boeing came to the party and took the A320's off NZ's hands. In 2-3 years time Boeing's backlog will be much smaller than it is now. The cost of "swapping" a dozen middle aged A320's for 737's would be small compared to the cost of idle production lines.
On the other hand, Airbus is in the same postition. They could also offer NZ a great deal for the same reason.
From NZ's point of view, there is little differences between the two planes. Engineering wise NZ are equiped to maintain both. They can be bulk loaded like the current 733's. They can operate into all the fields NZ currently operate 733's too. This will be an interesting decision.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9378 times:



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 3):
In the current economic climate I wouldn't be surprised at all if Boeing came to the party and took the A320's off NZ's hands. In 2-3 years time Boeing's backlog will be much smaller than it is now. The cost of "swapping" a dozen middle aged A320's for 737's would be small compared to the cost of idle production lines.

They could sell those A320s to DL in some sort of package deal for more 77Ls, or just give them to DL as compensation for late/underperforming 787s...  Wink



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

The 738 and the A320 are now very well established planes. Both Boeing and Airbus have said that a completely new replacement is some distance away. Both Boeing and Airbus have suggested that there might be some small improvements to the current products to tide them over until they do a complete new clean sheet of paper plane.

It might be a pity if AirNZ ends up getting the last A320s or 738s off the production line, just before the upgraded planes start entering service.

Even if AirNZ had the NZ domestic market all to itself, 738s and A320 are still very big planes for the short distances involved in this country. The biggest market in the country is One hour block time, and the second biggest route is One hour 20 minutes. A320s and 738s are overkill for these routes. Look at the Jetstar frequency on AKL-WLG - three times daily is not a serious service. A daily A320 on CHC-WLG. Three airlines operating domestic services with 150-180 seats will be silly.

If the timing is right, the new Canadian CS-100 seems a very good size for NZ domestic. Does AirNZ need new planes before that aircraft is available?

The distances in NZ are too short for more fuel efficient versions of the 737 to be any value.
The 736 has been a big failure for Boeing, costing almost as much to operate as a 737-700


User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9291 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
With that in Mind, are NZ's domestic 733 crews also part of this? I'm under the impression that they're not and in fact just regular mainline NZ staff.

That is correct.

The second question you ask is at the heart of the current dispute between ZEAL/A320 crew and Air New Zealand.


User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1471 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 2):
Also are any of the 733 airports suffering unusually short runways?

The only airport I can think of is ROT there runway is around 5321 ft. Apparently the reason JQ will not continue CHC-ROT is because it can't take a full load with their 320's. Although from what I can see NZ don't send anything larger then a AT7 into ROT at the moment.

Although if ROT ever did want to see larger there is room for runway extension of at least 1000ft on each end of the runway which would bring the runway to 7321 ft which is long enough for not just Domestic Jet ops but Trans tasman as well. Airports like HLZ, ZQN, DUD have/had seen Trans tasman ops with 6200-6400 ft runways.

I'm surprised aircraft like the E190 and Bombardier C series aren't under consideration as these types seem more suited for shorter hops and can increase frequency with the lower seat count.

I'd also like to point out that NZ has the lastest build 733's in the world with average fleet age of just 11 years its not as if they have to quickly get rid of the 733 fleet.


Vhq

[Edited 2009-03-24 20:26:09]


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User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9201 times:

A while ago AirNZ was also looking at an ATR replacement, but decided that there was no aircraft out there (existing or proposed) that warranted their replacement. In some respects a replacement for the ATR might also work as a replacement for the 733s...

This is my take on the current setup
B1900 - 19 pax - rural routes
Q300 - 50 pax - regional routes
ATR72 - 68 pax - regional routes, short trunk routes (CHC-DUD, WLG-CHC offpeak)
733 - 133 pax - trunk routes
A320 - 144+8pax - short-haul-international

But could be replaced by
B1900 - rural
Q300 - regional
'90 - 110 Seater' - peak regional routes, off-peak trunk routes
A320 - short-haul-international, peak trunk routes

This gives AirNZ the opportunity to maintain frequency throughout the domestic network. A 90-110 seater such as the E190 would also have the ability to supplement the A320 on thinner trans-tasman routes.

ax



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12476 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8993 times:

Doesn't ANZ still have options outstanding on the A320 fleet? I recall that they had options to take the A320s on order as A319s or A321s; have these now lapsed?

I agree that there is a lot to be said for considering the new generation of 100-130 seaters, but on the other hand, the likes of Jetstar will have an advantage in that it can "pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap" and its ability to do this on a 180 seat A320 would be better than another carrieer would have on a 100 seater - it's just economics of scale and I don't think NZ would want to give JQ that advantage.


User currently offlineNZA320 From New Zealand, joined May 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8963 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 5):
If the timing is right, the new Canadian CS-100 seems a very good size for NZ domestic. Does AirNZ need new planes before that aircraft is available?

Leases on 11 of the planes expire over a five-year period from 2011. Air NZ owns the other five 737s. The CS100 is scheduled to enter service in the second half of 2013.

NZs 737-300s seat 133 at 30-35" pitch
CS100 seats 125 at 30" pitch or 110 at 32" Pitch
CS300 seats 145 at 30" pitch or 130 at 32" pitch

The Cseries seem to be on either side of NZs current capacity. So the CS300 would be good for the major trunk routes and maybe replacing some tasman A320 services. The CS100 could replace the ATRs on some regional routes to increase capacity and grow regional domestic services. CS100 could also be used on thin tasman routes like WEL-CBR etc

So the C-series could be a one solution replacement for the ATRs, 737 and the A320s and would provide significant competitive advantage with its low operating and maintenance costs. However the EIS seems to be a year too late so if NZ was to go for this option they would need to acquire an interim fleet of planes to bridge the gap for when the first 737 leaves and the first CS100 arrives.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8713 times:
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The A320's are proving a bit of a problem for us at the moment. We currently have an aircraft sitting in CHC with corrosion issues that could take some time to rectify, turning a 1 week C check into 5 weeks. This aircraft is only 5 years old.

I personally favour a mixed fleet of 737-700's and 737-800's. Say 14 of each type.

NZ1


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7064 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8685 times:

Before I read the topic I thought the CSeries might have a chance but since they want something bigger as the 733 it seems to be only the 737-800 and A320 that are considered.


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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

I'd see the CS300 being the perfect replacement for the 733 on trunk routes as well as short haul international like DUD-Oz, PMR-Oz, HLZ-Oz (the smaller size keeping these routes viable. There's also a case for them on AKL-IUE and AKL-NLK.

At the upper end of the scale, NZ could exercise some options on A320's to add a few craft for the domestic trunk peaks and o/n internationals I.E. South Pacific.

The smaller size but increased comfort and economics of the CS300 will give NZ increased flexibility and a competitive advantage over JQ and DJ.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 11):
We currently have an aircraft sitting in CHC with corrosion issues that could take some time to rectify,

This is a worry. Is this a one off? What's the Airbus Industrie response to this?

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8422 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 13):
This is a worry. Is this a one off? What's the Airbus Industrie response to this?

This is the 2nd aircraft with the same problem we have had in the last 2 months. Airbus have issued fixes, but it involves a heck of a lot of work to implement. Aircraft that are 5 years old shouldn't have corrosion like these 2 have had. Makes a good case to go all Boeing IMHO

NZ1


User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8371 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 11):
The A320's are proving a bit of a problem for us at the moment.

Not to mention the A320 crews about to go on strike!



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8346 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
Makes a good case to go all Boeing IMHO

I do think a smaller nex-gen aircraft like the CS300 will give flexibility, economics and comfort on these routes that the larger Boeings and Airbuses can't/won't.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8064 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
Doesn't ANZ still have options outstanding on the A320 fleet?

Expire around 2011-2012


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7754 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 11):
The A320's are proving a bit of a problem for us at the moment. We currently have an aircraft sitting in CHC with corrosion issues that could take some time to rectify, turning a 1 week C check into 5 weeks. This aircraft is only 5 years old.



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
This is the 2nd aircraft with the same problem we have had in the last 2 months. Airbus have issued fixes, but it involves a heck of a lot of work to implement. Aircraft that are 5 years old shouldn't have corrosion like these 2 have had.

I apologise for any offence which this question may cause, but does anyone know yet what the cause of the A320 crash at Perpignan was, and whether that aircraft had had any similar problems identified or addressed?


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

NZ1, I know corrosion will appear in all ac, but is not 5 years and turning a C check into a 5 week exercise abnormal? Is there an explanation for this? Please forgive my ignorance, I just find it interesting that this is happening so early.


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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Forget I asked, I skipped Post 14 that answers it  banghead 


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User currently offlineAdam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

What about the ERJ-190? Any possibility of that going to the kiwis? Or are those too small for what they need?

User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7319 times:



Quoting Adam42185 (Reply 21):
What about the ERJ-190? Any possibility of that going to the kiwis? Or are those too small for what they need?

I would think this is a great aircraft for the type of high frequency, 1 hour flights NZ operates within NZ.



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User currently offlineAdam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6977 times:



Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 22):
I would think this is a great aircraft for the type of high frequency, 1 hour flights NZ operates within NZ.

Yeah thats what I was thinking. I am just not sure if they have enough capacity for routes between the major cities of Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch. I suppose if they just up the frequency it would work out, but they may still need to buy a few bigger planes. I would reallllly love to see an E-190 in air new zealand colors though!


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6165 times:

it has to go to Boeing, the delays in the 787's for NZ, must = a great deal on the 737's that they can be given,


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
25 Adam42185 : When are those supposed to be delivered? And when is Boeing going to start production of the first 789? I hadn't thought of their ability to get a de
26 Ikramerica : But those delays may already have translated into discounts on the 777s being put into the fleet sooner. We really don't know how they dealt with it.
27 Heathrow : I'd love to see some E jets in NZ colours!!! For that matter, is it possible they'll look at the C series?
28 RICARDOAB : Apologies if this was covered earlier, although I don't recall seeing it, but why did ANZ order the A320 in the first place? It seemed to spend a very
29 ANstar : Qantas did the same with Jetstar.
30 MotorHussy : NZ's already had a good look at the E-Jet as a possible replacement for the Atr.72's, especially in lieu of the threat of DJ introducing them on seco
31 ANstar : Seems strange it is only the NZ A320's that are effected?? Surely if it were an A320 wide problem then we would have heard about from other operators
32 777ER : The E190 would be fantastic for off-peak flights (9am-4pm departures) and smaller Tasman routes - especially when the Tasman route between NZ and Aus
33 Nicholaschee : Will a mix of 73Ws & 73Hs or 319s & 320s work? They would have to work out the labour issues first though.
34 DavidByrne : I saw this quoted recently on A-net, but in the back of my mind I recall hearing a couple of years ago that the options had already expired. Can anyo
35 Rwy21 : Definately agree with the WLG-MEL for example part, and while I agree essentially with what you are saying regarding HLZ and PMR, you include DUD in
36 777ER : Yes an A319/320 and B73G/W option would work very well for NZ. I got that quote from the newspaper, but forgot which year it was. I thought the optio
37 SunriseValley : The NZ 2008 Annual financial report states that just about all aircraft leases run out by June 2013 unless re-negotiated. This suggests that the time
38 Mariner : My eyebrows are raised about that, too. The two airlines I follow in the US, both A320 family operators, don't seem to have such issues. It concerns
39 NZ1 : Completely unrelated issues. The final report hasn't been finalised yet. Jetstar have had several aircraft with the same problem. It is an issue to d
40 Babybus : How come no other airline in the world, as far as I know, have had this problem? Have NZ ordered 787's? If so, with their fastener problems they enti
41 NZ1 : They have. You just don't get to hear about it. Airbus are releasing a SB soon to deal with this issue. NZ1
42 Mariner : The aircraft has been in production for over twenty years, and they're just issuing a fix on it now? mariner
43 Nicholaschee : 8 787-9s I believe.
44 MotorHussy : Launch customer for the 789. Yes, wings fastened to the ground. MH
45 Anstar : Thanks as always for the info!
46 NZ1 : It is only applicable to certain aircraft (across multiple carriers) that were painted with a particular paint, so no, it doesn't affect every A319/2
47 Mariner : Hm. It may be inconvenient, but it is not affecting he airworthiness of the aircraft? I also assume that if it is creating specific schedule/financia
48 ZK-NBT : I thought I read that NZ cancelled the options on the A320 family some time ago? Personally I'd like to see a 73G 73H mix like NZ1 said say 14 of each
49 Post contains links MotorHussy : The RFI on 733 replacement is official. Bombardier (surprisingly to me) and Embraer (not surprisingly) were not included. http://www.flightglobal.com/
50 MotorHussy : Why would they do that? They bought the rights to them as part of the initial purchase.
51 NZ107 : What does a reply of a RFI include? How much they're willing to sell aircraft for etc? It would seem to me that they'd already possess quite a lot of
52 777ER : NZ was the second customer to sign up for B787s when NZ ordered the B772ERs, obviously ANA was the first. NZ is receiving the first B789. Wouldn't mi
53 KiwiRob : I'd prefer 320's mainly because I notice the extra shoulder room plus if I get a window seat I can look out of it a lot easier, you need to be a midge
54 DavidByrne : I believe that the realistic options for serving PER double daily are the A319 and the 73G/73W (can someone remind me of the difference, please?). II
55 Phollingsworth : 73G is a B737-700 without winglets, I believe 73H has winglets. 73W is a B7370-800 with winglets. 738 would be without. As for range, I don't know wh
56 Nicholaschee : No. 737-700 w/o winglets - 73G 737-700 w winglets - 73W 737-800 w/o winglets - 738 737-800 w winglets - 73H
57 DocLightning : I disagree. The 73G-series has heritage in the 737 series. These planes were designed for high-cycle, short-distance, high-frequency hops. Although t
58 Adam42185 : What is the current estimate for a delivery date for these aircraft? I cant wait for them!
59 SunriseValley : The ESAD AKL-PER is about 3200nm assuming -45k winds. The 737-700 both versions and the 737-900ER both versions should do it with a 2-class passenger
60 ZKOJH : 'Adam42185' What is the current estimate for a delivery date for these aircraft? I cant wait for them Think the most up to date info NZ have said is a
61 KiwiRob : It sure feels like more, I do find the SAS and Lufthansa A320's more comfortable than the SAS 737's.
62 PA515 : I recall something similar to what ZK-NBT mentions but am unable to find it. From the 5 July 2002 announcement to the NZ stock Exchange ...... Air Ne
63 DocLightning : And I can't notice the difference. And I will point out that the fuselage cross-section of the 737 is EXACTLY the same as the 757. Nobody complains a
64 Adam42185 : Thanks, I hope that everything goes to plan as such. Is it fair to presume that once the 788 is flying and in service while production is ramped up,
65 Ikramerica : Me too. Would look sharp! Would the climate of the NZ and QF airports have anything to do with it happening more quickly? IIRC, just about every airp
66 Post contains links MotorHussy : This from the FlightGolbal article: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-rfi-for-737-300-replacements.html BTW, an option is the right but not the
67 Phollingsworth : Thanks, I swapped the W and H in my brain. Not only that but a classic aircraft call option is the right to purchase a certain aircraft for delivery
68 NZ107 : I wonder if they will consider purchasing 737-700ERs to allow them to travel these thin routes. IMO it's still a possibility.[Edited 2009-03-26 15:18
69 777ER : Sounds like the B763 will need to stay on the PER flight then
70 SpeedyGonzales : I transferred from a 738 to an A319 and from an A319 to a 735 last summer on SAS/Finnair. The seat bottom was about the same width, but the armrests
71 Ikramerica : Yes, the A320 series is wider and if airlines use different seats in the two, you notice it. Some airlines use the same 17.2" seats across their fleet
72 Phollingsworth : While you probably had more legroom you also had less shoulder room than other rows on the airplane. The overwing exits actually reduce the available
73 SunriseValley : I find it difficult to believe a 737NG on this route unless they wanted to go 2x daily or a 1-stop via MEL or ADL. The number of cycles that the dome
74 DavidByrne : The AKL-PER route is clearly a good one for a wide body, given the flight time, but the disadvantage from NZ's point of view is that it is not possib
75 Viscount724 : Many airlines opt for a wider aisle on the A320 family, with seats about the same width as on a 737/757. On those aircraft you definitely do notice t
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