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Dutch Flight Tax To Be Abolished Per 1 July  
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Last night, the Dutch government has decided to abolish the flight tax per 1 July. The flight tax is EUR 11.25 for short-haul sectors and EUR 45 for long-haul sectors.

Although the tax raised 300 million Euro per year, the damage to the economy was estimated at 1.300 million Euro. The main reason for abolishing the flight tax is to help the economy in these difficult times.

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Good news for us pax and SPL!!! I heard this news this morning... finally they came to their senses that instead of generating direct revenue, this tax costs more indirectly due to jobs being lost etc.


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4850 times:
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Excellent news. I have avoided AMS as a transfer point since this new tax was added. Now I can begin flying through AMS again  Smile


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4841 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
I have avoided AMS as a transfer point since this new tax was added. Now I can begin flying through AMS again

Then this tax has never been applicable for you.
It was only neccesary to pay for those who departed ex AMS (as origin). And not for transfer passengers.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4745 times:
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Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 3):

Then this tax has never been applicable for you.
It was only neccesary to pay for those who departed ex AMS (as origin). And not for transfer passengers.

I was travelling as staff, so every flight was techically originating in AMS.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4734 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 4):
I was travelling as staff, so every flight was techically originating in AMS.

It doesn't have to be true, but I see your point  Wink. If you would've been flying Syrian BRU-AMS-Syria or VLM GRQ-AMS-LCY (altough you would still pay the tax) your flight wouldn't originate in AMS.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4720 times:
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Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):

It doesn't have to be true, but I see your point . If you would've been flying Syrian BRU-AMS-Syria or VLM GRQ-AMS-LCY (altough you would still pay the tax) your flight wouldn't originate in AMS.

Unfortunately not a lot of connections past AMS on NW metal  Wink



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4704 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 6):
Unfortunately not a lot of connections past AMS on NW metal

Placing restrictions afterwards, that's not fair  Wink. You have the flight to/from BOM, but I don't think that is a through flight.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13039 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

Good call. Far too many airports (and the authorities that operate them) have extortionate fees and taxes that hurt those that pay for the flights, encouraging use of other airports, hurting tourism and business.

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

So i suppose U2 will start new routes from AMS, bringing Schiphol an extra 1 mln pax, as they announced last week in a letter to the dutch government.


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

"Great"!

There go six months of my life working on a thesis on this topic...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
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Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
You have the flight to/from BOM, but I don't think that is a through flight.

Actually it is. Currently a continuation of the SEA-AMS flight, soon to be on DL PDX-AMS.. Not going there anyways  Smile

Quoting Ushermittwoch (Reply 10):
"Great"!

There go six months of my life working on a thesis on this topic...

You just got a whole new chapter for your thesis  Smile



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6446 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4498 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 7):
Placing restrictions afterwards, that's not fair . You have the flight to/from BOM, but I don't think that is a through flight.

All non rev (staff) travel connecting in AMS had to pay the tax. Only the BOM flight was a thru flight. Returning to the the US via AMS all non rev revs had to pay the high transatlantic tax even though they were connecting passengers.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4480 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 11):
You just got a whole new chapter for your thesis Smile

True...
It basically just proves my point. I should go into fortune telling...  Smile



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineBillreid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4439 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Excellent news. I have avoided AMS as a transfer point since this new tax was added. Now I can begin flying through AMS again

Did you really avoid AMS for a Tax that only applied to O & D pax?

The word from SPL was that the tax which was an environmental tax was the worst environment tax EVER.

Over 6,000,000 pax were driving in their cars to Germany and Belgium poluting the air needlessly along the way.

The tax was an example of Government at it worst. "Lets create an environment tax that will result in increases in greenhouse gasses and MORE polution!"



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4409 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 11):
Actually it is. Currently a continuation of the SEA-AMS flight, soon to be on DL PDX-AMS.. Not going there anyways

I knew the aircraft was coming from SEA, but I thought it continued under a different flight#, my bad.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
All non rev (staff) travel connecting in AMS had to pay the tax. Only the BOM flight was a thru flight. Returning to the the US via AMS all non rev revs had to pay the high transatlantic tax even though they were connecting passengers.

Believe me, as a fellow non-revver (although with European airlines it is not really non-rev). I feel your pain. Being based in AMS, I feel it even more. Too bad I'm going on a long haul trip just before 1 July...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
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Quoting Billreid (Reply 14):
Did you really avoid AMS for a Tax that only applied to O & D pax?

Did you actually read any of my other replies?



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User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4062 times:



Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 2):
Excellent news. I have avoided AMS as a transfer point since this new tax was added. Now I can begin flying through AMS again

I agree and I have also avoided AMS ever since. I was using CDG or FRA which is half the cost.



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User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 691 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Now if the Brits would only come to their senses about passenger taxes as well. I avoid LHR whenever possible.

User currently offlineEXCOASA1982 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3985 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
All non rev (staff) travel connecting in AMS had to pay the tax. Only the BOM flight was a thru flight. Returning to the the US via AMS all non rev revs had to pay the high transatlantic tax even though they were connecting passengers

Connecting through AMS I just showed my inbound boarding card and did not have to pay the high tax on the TATL flight I was connecting to because I was just transiting. This was all as "non-rev."


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6446 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3956 times:



Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 19):
Connecting through AMS I just showed my inbound boarding card and did not have to pay the high tax on the TATL flight I was connecting to because I was just transiting. This was all as "non-rev."

If you were traveling on a ZED ticket you already paid the tax when you bought the ticket. What type of non rev ticket were you traveling on that did not have to pay the tax?


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Now can put AMS back on my "to visit" list.....  Smile Maybe one day I can put LHR/LGW back on it also...one can only hope.

Chris



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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1396 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

What will happen to flights which are booked now already, but depart after july 1st? Will we get a refund? I know this sounds stupid, but what will actually be the case?


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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6387 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Huh, that's bad new for airports like Brussels, Colone/Bonn, and maybe even Frankfurt  Wink

Also bad news for the gas stations on the motorways from the Netherlands to those airports.



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3776 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 22):
What will happen to flights which are booked now already, but depart after july 1st? Will we get a refund? I know this sounds stupid, but what will actually be the case?

Yes, people get a refund through their airline or travel organization.

The government actually really need to provide these refunds, as last year, when the tax was introduced, people were obliged to pay the tax even if they had already booked their ticket.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 23):
Huh, that's bad new for airports like Brussels, Colone/Bonn, and maybe even Frankfurt

Not so much Frankfurt, but I would include DUS, NRN, BRE and CRL.

However, these airports have always been cheaper than Dutch airports and even after abolishment of flight tax, they'll still be. The flight tax has given those airports lots of free publicity though, and I expect them to still benefit from this. People are more and more used to include departures from German or Belgian airports in their search and I think this habit will stay.


25 Ushermittwoch : You should see DUS and NRN lately. DUS has around 30% Dutch licence plates, NRN 80%+. I was on a full flight out of NRN to DUB last month on FR and t
26 SurfandSnow : That tax seems like it was awfully steep - I can certainly see why people would avoid AMS altogether! I can only imagine the reaction by Americans if
27 Danfearn77 : You must be mad arnt you? The last thing the UK Government will do is remove APD on flights. They listent too much to these environmental nut cases t
28 76er : 6 Million?!? That's almost half the population. The most widely reported number in the press is more like 900.000.
29 Joost : I know, I have contributed to these percentages as well It's a pity the ICE Amsterdam-Frankfurt doesn't call at Düsseldorf Fernbahnhof, so you alway
30 Kl911 : Great, so what is the chance now of FR creating a base at EIN? They said they were planning it but cancelled the plans due to the tax. NRN got the two
31 Joost : No, that's not true. The "two aircraft"-story is from May 2007, long before the flight tax was announced. It wasn't even on the political agenda back
32 Severnaya : AHO is already served. And what about RIX now after the withdraw from KL on the AMS-RIX route?
33 Joost : Oh sorry, I meant CAG. Same island Not sure if demand is there. KL didn't withdraw from the route for nothing, and FR already serve it from NRN (4 we
34 EXCOASA1982 : ZED fare into AMS then connected to my airline. I paid dept. tax but it was much cheaper since I was just transiting and not originating.
35 Bobnwa : The tax applied to fights departing AMS on ZED tickets. The tax is much higher for trans-atlantic than for inter Europe. EUR 11.25 vs EUR 45.00. What
36 Humberside : Easyjet's CEO was quoted on the travel mole website this week saying no AMS expansion until airport costs come down
37 Ikramerica : So, if times weren't difficult, they would continue to support losing 1.3 billion euros a year (or 1,3 for you EU citizens) in economic activity in o
38 EPA001 : Unfortunately this is true. The left-wing idealists pushed for an environmental signal by the government. The environment is a hot topic at the momen
39 Copter808 : Just refer to AMS an an example of a place that has realized the error of it's ways. You can still refer to the UK and EZE taxes. Figure out how much
40 Copter808 : I went through there a few years ago, connecting between TLL and IAH, and got hammered for the tax. The tax for connecting flights was less than if I
41 Babybus : With so many illegal's working and not paying tax, and our high unemployment I think this is our main source of tax in the UK. I agree, get rid of it
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