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Tehran As An Intercont Stopover In The 1970s  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Browsing though some old timetables I have noticed how often Tehran is used as an intermediate stop by airlines flying from Europe to Asia. This of course was the time before the Iranian revolution.

Does anyone have a documentation of airlines, equipment and routing of flights that went through Tehran?

Tehran to me seems to be in a group with Beirut: two airports that airlines flew to a lot on their way between Europe and Asia, then stopped doing so for political reasons, and when the politics was over, those stops weren't needed anymore thanks to technical progress, and other airports in the region (DXB and the like) had established themselves as hubs.

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User currently offlineJpyvr From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

In the late 70s, I flew SAS from Seattle to Bangkok. At the time I worked for a travel agency, as was given the trip as a promo of the new SAS service from Copenhagen to Bangkok. Outbound, I flew Seattle to Copenhagen, and there transferred to the Bangkok flight. That flight stopped in Tashkent, which at that time was very much part of the Soviet Union, and a unique stop-over to say the least.
The routing on the return was Bangkok-Tehran-Copenhagen, thence to Seattle.
The flights were excellent, and equipment used was DC8. I cannot tell you specifically what model of DC8 it was, sorry.


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9074 times:

Seems to me Karachi was also highly used....I just posted in another thread about a BOAC routing in 1962 from THR-TLV and then onto London!

WOW!


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

I flew DEL-THR on JAL (DC 8) then THR-Athens-Paris on AF (707) back in 1970. We picked up an Iranian man who was despondent at leaving and was howling throughout the flight, so none of us slept.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8976 times:

Pan Am's round the world #1 & 2 also routed via Tehran for quite a while.

If you really think about it during the period Iran exemplified growth and modernity in the Middle East. Iran was not part of the Israel-Arab conflict, was a nation experiencing fast growth with a key economy of the region, and was ruled by a regime that very much looked to the West.

Back in the 60-70s' places like Dubai were barely on the map, nothing more then dusty little towns while Tehran was very much a cosmopolitan major population centers.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

PAN AM Flight # 1, round-the-world service New York to San Francisco, stopped in Tehran after London and Frankfurt. It was a 707 when I flew it in 1967. Not sure what the next stop after Tehran was?

User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8889 times:

Tehran was very much a hub for world travel, and was visited by most carriers. Read a few days ago in some thread that Pan Am had nonstops to Istanbul, Frankfurt, Paris, New York and a few more before the Revolution. It was very much a focus city for Pan Am.
Iran Air also did its part, boasting an impressive world network and operating one of the world's longest nonstops at the time using the 747SP.

Quoting FRA2DTW (Reply 5):
PAN AM Flight # 1, round-the-world service New York to San Francisco, stopped in Tehran after London and Frankfurt. It was a 707 when I flew it in 1967. Not sure what the next stop after Tehran was?

Pan Am 001 seems to have changed over the years. It originated in San Francisco, going to Honolulu, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Kolkata, Delhi, Beirut, Istanbul, Frankfurt, London, and finally New York (according to wiki).

Now, after THR it was probably BOM or KHI. A veteran Pan Am-er would help.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Back in the 60-70s' places like Dubai were barely on the map, nothing more then dusty little towns while Tehran was very much a cosmopolitan major population centers.

Dubai wasn't much, at least it was Bahrain that really mattered back then. Despite that, I'm sure DXB was a stopover point for a few airlines.


User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

One of the best flights I ever experienced was on a THAI DC-8-62 in November 1974 from London to Bangkok via Teheran. Of course THR was just for the sake of taking on fuel and stopover there was in the middle of the night. But I recall well being allowed to get off and take a stroll around the aircraft while Iranian workers fueled the DC8.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Through the 60's and up to the late 70's, AI used to operate some of their Europe bound flights via THR, both ways.....used to be with the B707's......

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

THR today could be what DXB became. I understand the right to self-determination, but the revolution and the government's anti-western rhetoric didn't help air service there.....

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8516 times:

I do recall that at one stage, BOAC operated flights via TLV and THR (with VC10s). The very suggestion today would probably incur a fatwa from Tehran!

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

Singapore Airlines used THR too, from airline route blogspot:

Singapore-Colombo-Tehran-Amsterdam-Copenhagen 1 weekly 707


Singapore-Colombo-Tehran-Zurich-Amsterdam-Copenhagen 2 weekly 747


Singapore-Colombo-Tehran-Zurich-Copenhagen 1 weekly 707


User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8424 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
I do recall that at one stage, BOAC operated flights via TLV and THR (with VC10s). The very suggestion today would probably incur a fatwa from Tehran!

LY even operated flights between TLV-THR before the revolution.


User currently offlineMd95 From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

24 Jan 1976 Bangkok-Teheran-Rome Thai DC10
29 Jul 1976 Rome-Teheran-Karachi-Calcutta-Bangkok-Manila SAS DC8

Also Bagdad was a intercontinental stop.



dario
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8376 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
I do recall that at one stage, BOAC operated flights via TLV and THR

As did Air France/UTA at one time, with traffic rights between TLV and THR no less. Here's one of their routings from a 1966 timetable, operated by an AF 707: PAR-ROM-TLV-THR-NDH-BKK-PNH-HKG-TYO.

Here are a few more examples of routings through THR from the same era:

SAS DC-8 (1966) CPH-ZRH-ROM-THR-KHI-BKK-MNL-TYO

Japan Air Lines DC-8 (1966) ROM-CAI-THR-KHI-CCU-BKK-HKG-TYO

Sabena 727 (1968) BRU-VIE-ATH-THR-BOM

Alitalia DC-8 (1966) ROM-THR-BOM-BKK-SIN

KLM DC-8 (1962) AMS-ROM-BEY-THR-KHI-RNG-BKK-SGN-MNL

For whatever reason(s) Lufthansa served THR as an endpoint rather than as an enroute stop on their flights to points further east. Their flights to THR typically made stops enroute at ATH and BEY. Surprisingly, Swissair did not serve THR at all during this time period, aside from a pool service operated by SAS via ZRH or GVA (see example above).


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

You may want to look at timetableimages.com. There, you can find many complete timetable from the past. Specifically, you may want to look at the historic timetables for BOAC, Air France, KLM, SAS, Alitalia, JAL, Qantas, PIA, and other airlines that offered scheduled flights between Europe and the Far East and Australia.

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8289 times:



Quoting Md95 (Reply 15):
24 Jan 1976 Bangkok-Teheran-Rome Thai DC10

Interesting, I thought they only served Baghdad, did Korean Air also oeprate to THR ever?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8195 times:



Quoting Phllax (Reply 14):
LY even operated flights between TLV-THR before the revolution.

Actually, LY got its 720B models with the particular intention of flying to NBO. On a straight line, it's a pretty short route, by LY had to fly over Iran and down over the Arabian Sea, because at that time, it was still (technically, if not actively) at war with Jordan and Egypt.

The 720B had the range to do this, which - as you can imagine - was a pretty long route.

Once the revolution happened, LY's offices in Tehran were given to Syrianair!


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

In 1975 8 major airlines operated the route BEY-THR

1- Iran Air
Boeing 727

2-Pan Am
Boeing 747
Boeing 707

3-Air France
Boeing 707

4-British Airways
Boeing 747
VC10

5-Japan Air Lines
DC8

6-KLM
DC8

7-Alitalia
DC8

8-Swissair
DC8

Alex!!!



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8045 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
LY had to fly over Iran and down over the Arabian Sea, because at that time, it was still (technically, if not actively) at war with Jordan and Egypt.

The 720B had the range to do this, which - as you can imagine - was a pretty long route.

How did the EL AL route this flight into Iran's airspace? Since they would presumably have needed to avoid overflying Syria and Iraq as well, it seems the most direct routing would have been flying northward from TLV over the Mediterranean Sea and then turn east over Turkey and proceed eastward before making a southeastward turn toward THR. ...unless they were able to overfly Saudi Arabia by way of a narrow corridor over the Gulf of Aqaba and ultimately approach Iran from the south after crossing over Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf.

Either way, it is indeed a relatively short route turned into a route that would appear to be more than twice the distance of the straight-line route.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8002 times:

From the 1963 QF timetable. Flight QF 733, SYD-JKT-SIN-BKK-DEL-THR-IST-FCO-LHR, once weekly (TUE) with B707.

From the same timetable: BA713 (MON) BNE-DRW-SIN-CMB-BOM-THR-TLV-ZRH-LHR with Comet 4.
BA711 (Thur) MEL-SYD-DRW-JKT-SIN-RGN-DEL-THR-TLV-ZRH-LHR with Comet 4

From: http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/qf63/qf63-03.jpg


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User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7906 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 6):
Iran Air also did its part, boasting an impressive world network and operating one of the world's longest nonstops at the time using the 747SP.

IIRC Iran Air came very close to being the third airline to operate the Concorde. I know that had the aircraft on order and I remember seeing photos and models in Iran Air livery. Although most others cancelled their orders and options, for prestige reasons the Shah was serious about putting the aircraft into service. The revolution put an end to the plans.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7814 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
I do recall that at one stage, BOAC operated flights via TLV and THR (with VC10s).

In 1968 my family returned from the USA via Europe and Israel.
Routing was -
BOAC VC-10 JFK-LHR
KLM DC-8 LHR-AMS-ATH
El AL B720 ATH-TLV (at least I think it was a 720, I seem to recall asking my father what the difference was between a 720 and a 707)
BOAC B707 TLV-THR-BOM-SIN
Qantas B707 SIN-SYD

Outbound journey was QF 707 SYD-NAN-HNL, PA 707 HNL-SFO
SFO area (San Jose actually) to NY was via Route 66 etc in a 1955 Caddilac Coupe de Ville

Cheers



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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Singapore Airlines began flying from Singapore to Teheran on 30 June 1977. Does anyone have any information on when these flights were terminated?

If anyone is keen, I have scans of the SIN-THR and THR-SIN first flight covers issued by SIA. Send me a PM with your contacts and I will email them to you.

KC Sim


User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

I went thru Tehran quite a few times OZ to UK and VV in the mid 70's. Always on BA and quite often thru different points before and after. Ah the good old days of visiting 4 Aussie capitals before you leave the country. If I recall we were never allowed out of the aircraft.

25 SurfandSnow : Tehran would have been much like today's Istanbul - a fascinating stopover city with a rich cultural past and cosmopolitan feel to it. I for one had a
26 TN486 : From PA Apr-May 69 Timetable: Flt 1 etd THR 0700 eta BEY 0820 Wed Fri Sun, Flt 119 orig in THR to New York via different intermediate ports daily etd
27 Xtra1 : There is an large Iran Air Concorde model in the windows of the Iran Air offices on Piccadilly, London. Saw it very recently, don't know if it is sti
28 Raffik : MEA ordered three as well but cancelled because of the delays and the increase in cost. Lots of flights went through Beirut and Tehran. In the 60s an
29 B727fan : I flew IR , R/T JFK-THR back in 1978! It was Fantastic! Iran is an amazing country that is rich in heritage and a unique culture. Any of us here who k
30 777way : PIA flights in 1973/74 via THR with 707 and 720B, from airlineroute blogspot: Karachi - Teheran - Baghdad - Beirut - Frankfurt - London - Geneva - Ist
31 Ankaraflyjet : Lufthansa also flew from FRA to Tehran via Ankara "ESB". The first flight was on 03 04 1971. B707 was used for this flight. The service was upgraded t
32 777way : I dont think TG operated to Iran, infact their website used to have a former destinations list page around a decade ago, and it only had three middle
33 WA707atMSP : Pan Am did not serve Bombay until after the mid-1970s Pan Am / TWA route swap, when TWA suspended all cities east of TLV. From the 1940s / 1950s unti
34 DavidByrne : Not a strictly unusual routing, but I can recall back in the 1960s that BA had a routing to Australia or the East that flew NONSTOP(!) from FCO to DEL
35 TN486 : David, I am unable to lay my hands on my BOAC 60's collections at this time, but as late as mid 70's BA 924 VC10 dep LHR on a Sunday was flying this
36 ERJ135 : Not sure of the year but guessing 1975. We flew with Thai on a DC-8 in the old livery that looked a lot like SAS from BKK to AMS via Tehran, however b
37 LY777 : TLV-THR was El Al busiest route at that time...
38 DavidByrne : We tend to forget how relatively recently we thought nothing of multiple stops en route between cities where we now take nonstop service completely fo
39 VC10 : In the late sixties and early seventies with the VC-10, crew slips on far eastern trips were either at Beirut, Bahrain , or Tehran. I will always reme
40 777way : Maybe THR was just a fuel stop with no traffic rights, because TG have never acknowledged flying there. Only one Air India 1974 route via THR from ai
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