Kleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15526 times:
In the days when smoking was allowed on aircraft the fact that the No Smoking was turned off right after takeoff was generally indicative of having a smoking pilot. These days that obviously isn't the case any longer.
However, on a recent Saudi Arabian Airlines flight the purser's station in business class was used as a convenient smoking booth by the head flight attendant. Happens more frequently than one might think I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the cockpit crew were also smoking...
JOEYCAPPS From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15177 times:
As a smoker, I think that up to a certain point, smoking should be allowed in the flight deck. As far as I know (someone more technically inclined please correct me) the F/D uses a different cabin air filter than the main cabin.
I've hung around airport smoking lounges long enough, and I can't begin to count how many times I've seen pilots and crewmembers smoking in there. Most of the time, as the case with me, people smoke to calm down. If I go a certain amount of time without one, I get anxious. I can fly LAX-MXP like I used to, without a smoke. 14 some-odd hours of flight. But I am a PAX, no need to stress. Pilots have a lot on their plate. Judging from how many I've seen smoke, it shouldnt be that big of a deal. One or two every flight (long flights especially) might calm the pilot's nerves down. Leave the flightdeck windows open on the ground, air it out a bit, and you're good to go. The cabin won't notice, and what left will be filtered out.
Just my opinion. (And please, none of this "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT SMOKING DOES TO YOUR BODY?!" stuff. I'm an adult, I'm aware of my actions)
Afterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15071 times:
Quoting JOEYCAPPS (Reply 7): Just my opinion. (And please, none of this "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT SMOKING DOES TO YOUR BODY?!" stuff. I'm an adult, I'm aware of my actions)
There's no problem if anybody in the flight deck smokes. The problem is when someone smokes and the other doesn't. People in certain occupations are usually reluctant to ask someone who is more senior than them and is in charge not to smoke.
JOEYCAPPS From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14991 times:
Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8): There's no problem if anybody in the flight deck smokes. The problem is when someone smokes and the other doesn't. People in certain occupations are usually reluctant to ask someone who is more senior than them and is in charge not to smoke.
You're absolutely, 110% correct. However, I would expect that the pilots would have decency enough to consult with each other as to whether or not they could have a smoke.
In all honesty, its a team. 50/50. They have to make a decision in whether or not they can. But bear in mind, most people wouldn't mind so long as it wasnt a constant, chain smoking environment.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4311 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14811 times:
Last year on a Air Europa B738 flight (UX) I noticed a cigarette smoke smell in the aft cabin. I thought a passenger was smoking in the lavatory.
After landing I was invited to the cockpit and I noticed both crewmembers smoking. And many smoked ciggies in the cupholders next to their panels.
The smoke in the cockpit was spread throughout the cabin by the airconditioning system.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
Mcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14506 times:
I was wondering how the smoke-free legislation we have here in England (specifically - other UK countries have seperate but similar legislation) would affect the legality of smoking in the cockpit, so I looked it up. I was quite surprised to see that while it's illegal to smoke in any vehicle such as a car, truck, or van that is used for work (even if everybody that ever uses it is a smoker), there is a specific exemption for aircraft!
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14471 times:
In Russia as well, smoking in the flight deck is common. I have nothing against it; If my pilot smokes anyway, I'd rather have him be calm and focused than anxiously jumping for another cigarette when shooting an approach at minimums.
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1855 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 14451 times:
Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 12): Pilots are permitted to smoke so long as they both smoke, or there is a mutual understanding established and agreed by both in the cockpit.
This is in the US.
Can I raise the B.S flag on this one? There is no smoking allowed in States.. period.. Alaska Airlines doesn't even hire smokers.
For all the people that are raising the issue of smoking making the smoker calm and you'd rather have them smoke, do you realise same argument can be made for drugs? Smoking is not only bad for you, it's also equally bad for the people that are sharing those close quarters in the cockpit.
Have some respect for the health of the f/o that you are sharing the cockpit with and quit!!!
Brucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13034 times:
Some smaller (GA) aircraft are placarded with "no smoking" signs and as such that becomes legally binding on the pilot (usually if there is a fuel line through the front of the aircraft, such as the fuel cut-off valve on most light a/c). I'm not sure if some larger (airline) aircraft and placarded for other reasons or not.
Hrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12214 times:
I was a F/A for a US carrier and worked a flight on a 757 where the captain was smoking in the cockpit. As I recall, the first officer was not happy about it. I was the purser working in 1st class and had to smell it. Very inconsiderate. ...and disgusting
Revo1059 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11920 times:
When I worked for MU in the early 90's at ORD when that MD11 came in it and they opened the cockpit door it looked like cigar night at the casino. It was BAD. I'm surprised some of the pax didn't think there was a fire in the cockpit.
ZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11826 times:
Quoting JOEYCAPPS (Reply 7): Pilots have a lot on their plate. Judging from how many I've seen smoke, it shouldnt be that big of a deal.
If a pilot gets anxious without a smoke for the duration of his/her flight, they shouldn't be pilots in the first place! What if they forgot to buy a pack? Does it mean they get all antsy and can't fly the plane any longer?
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 15): Smoking is not only bad for you, it's also equally bad for the people that are sharing those close quarters in the cockpit.
Quoting Hrc773 (Reply 19): I was the purser working in 1st class and had to smell it.
100% agreed! If I'd pay a load for a First Class ticket and would have to put up with the smell coming out of the galley or cockpit I'd be majorly upset. It would be the last flight on that airline for me.
Sorry, not anti-smoking per se here (my partner smokes, too), but everything has its place. And if it is a place where I don't have the choice to leave, I want it smoke-free (or know in advance)...
Beagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11812 times:
i worked for that italian airline, (its not AZ) and its common to find pilot smoking in cockpit during the flight. Usually they invite also the flight attendant.
I don't smoke and sometimes i had to dress the smoke hood to enter in cockpit(joking...)
Nervous? Yes. First Times? No, I've been nervous lots of times. -Airplane!