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Smoking In The Cockpit  
User currently offlineSpeedBirdA380 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 539 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14868 times:

I was browsing youtube recently and came accross this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvfmathErC4&feature=related

Its only 18 seconds long but I can barely believe my eyes! The video seems real enough and not a simulator as you can see the horizon.

I thought I would share it with you guys.....

Sorry if its been posted before.

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User currently offlineMmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14765 times:



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
but I can barely believe my eyes!

oh please, during the early ages of aviation, you couldn't find an aviator without a ciggy...

and from memory, you can stick a lit cig in JetA, it doesn't burn...or explode...



ILS = It'll Land Somewhere
User currently offlineKleinsim From Qatar, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14756 times:

In the days when smoking was allowed on aircraft the fact that the No Smoking was turned off right after takeoff was generally indicative of having a smoking pilot. These days that obviously isn't the case any longer.

However, on a recent Saudi Arabian Airlines flight the purser's station in business class was used as a convenient smoking booth by the head flight attendant. Happens more frequently than one might think  Sad I wouldn't be shocked to find out that the cockpit crew were also smoking...

Kleinsim


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14593 times:

RAHAHAHAHHA.....  laughing 

Look at the other vids...they were invited to hang out for landing too!

I think this was a ferry flight with crew only.....I PRAY this was a ferry flight.  Wow!


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14550 times:

Some of my pilot friends smokes in the cockpit. Smoking in the cockpit is still common here.

User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14534 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 4):
Some of my pilot friends smokes in the cockpit. Smoking in the cockpit is still common here.

From what I have heard, also in Malaysia it is common


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2870 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 14488 times:

We flew Egypt Air back in early 95 and there was more smoke coming out of the cockpit (Door was open for almost then entire flight) than comes out of a coal powered electricity plant. eyepopping 

TheCommodore



Flown 905,468 kms or 2.356 times to the moon, 1296 hrs, Longest flight 10,524 kms
User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14407 times:

As a smoker, I think that up to a certain point, smoking should be allowed in the flight deck. As far as I know (someone more technically inclined please correct me) the F/D uses a different cabin air filter than the main cabin.

I've hung around airport smoking lounges long enough, and I can't begin to count how many times I've seen pilots and crewmembers smoking in there. Most of the time, as the case with me, people smoke to calm down. If I go a certain amount of time without one, I get anxious. I can fly LAX-MXP like I used to, without a smoke. 14 some-odd hours of flight. But I am a PAX, no need to stress. Pilots have a lot on their plate. Judging from how many I've seen smoke, it shouldnt be that big of a deal. One or two every flight (long flights especially) might calm the pilot's nerves down. Leave the flightdeck windows open on the ground, air it out a bit, and you're good to go. The cabin won't notice, and what left will be filtered out.

Just my opinion. (And please, none of this "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT SMOKING DOES TO YOUR BODY?!" stuff. I'm an adult, I'm aware of my actions)

Flame Away  Smile


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14301 times:



Quoting JOEYCAPPS (Reply 7):
Just my opinion. (And please, none of this "DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT SMOKING DOES TO YOUR BODY?!" stuff. I'm an adult, I'm aware of my actions)

There's no problem if anybody in the flight deck smokes. The problem is when someone smokes and the other doesn't. People in certain occupations are usually reluctant to ask someone who is more senior than them and is in charge not to smoke.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14253 times:



Quoting SpeedBirdA380 (Thread starter):
Smoking In The Cockpit  

I have put this link before but for those who didn't see it check it out now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwqNb63aznM

Serbian JAT Boeing 727 visual approach. Check out the fun the crew has in the cockpit (captain smoking a cigarette).

Fatmir



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14221 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
There's no problem if anybody in the flight deck smokes. The problem is when someone smokes and the other doesn't. People in certain occupations are usually reluctant to ask someone who is more senior than them and is in charge not to smoke.

You're absolutely, 110% correct. However, I would expect that the pilots would have decency enough to consult with each other as to whether or not they could have a smoke.

In all honesty, its a team. 50/50. They have to make a decision in whether or not they can. But bear in mind, most people wouldn't mind so long as it wasnt a constant, chain smoking environment.


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14041 times:

Last year on a Air Europa B738 flight (UX) I noticed a cigarette smoke smell in the aft cabin. I thought a passenger was smoking in the lavatory.
After landing I was invited to the cockpit and I noticed both crewmembers smoking. And many smoked ciggies in the cupholders next to their panels.
The smoke in the cockpit was spread throughout the cabin by the airconditioning system.



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13837 times:

Pilots are permitted to smoke so long as they both smoke, or there is a mutual understanding established and agreed by both in the cockpit.

This is in the US.


User currently offlineMcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13736 times:
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I was wondering how the smoke-free legislation we have here in England (specifically - other UK countries have seperate but similar legislation) would affect the legality of smoking in the cockpit, so I looked it up. I was quite surprised to see that while it's illegal to smoke in any vehicle such as a car, truck, or van that is used for work (even if everybody that ever uses it is a smoker), there is a specific exemption for aircraft!

See section 11(6) here:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20070765_en_2#pt3-l1g11

It would be interesting to know why that exemption exists - anybody know how that ended up in the legislation?


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 13701 times:

In Russia as well, smoking in the flight deck is common. I have nothing against it; If my pilot smokes anyway, I'd rather have him be calm and focused than anxiously jumping for another cigarette when shooting an approach at minimums.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 13681 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 12):
Pilots are permitted to smoke so long as they both smoke, or there is a mutual understanding established and agreed by both in the cockpit.

This is in the US.

Can I raise the B.S flag on this one? There is no smoking allowed in States.. period.. Alaska Airlines doesn't even hire smokers.

For all the people that are raising the issue of smoking making the smoker calm and you'd rather have them smoke, do you realise same argument can be made for drugs? Smoking is not only bad for you, it's also equally bad for the people that are sharing those close quarters in the cockpit.

Have some respect for the health of the f/o that you are sharing the cockpit with and quit!!!



PS: The girl on the video is cute though  Smile



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12847 times:



Quoting Bahadir (Reply 15):
Can I raise the B.S flag on this one? There is no smoking allowed in States.. period.. Alaska Airlines doesn't even hire smokers.

Umm, well different airlines have different rules. So while some may not hire smokers others might. So you can't say that no airlines allow any smoking in the cockpit whatsoever



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12264 times:

Some smaller (GA) aircraft are placarded with "no smoking" signs and as such that becomes legally binding on the pilot (usually if there is a fuel line through the front of the aircraft, such as the fuel cut-off valve on most light a/c). I'm not sure if some larger (airline) aircraft and placarded for other reasons or not.

Bruce.


User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12054 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 12):
Pilots are permitted to smoke so long as they both smoke, or there is a mutual understanding established and agreed by both in the cockpit.

This is in the US.

The following is the entire text of FAR 252.3
"Air carriers shall prohibit smoking on all scheduled passenger flights."

In case there is confusion, the feds added 252.8
"The restrictions on smoking described in 252.3 through 252.7 shall apply to all locations within the aircraft."



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineHrc773 From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11444 times:

I was a F/A for a US carrier and worked a flight on a 757 where the captain was smoking in the cockpit. As I recall, the first officer was not happy about it. I was the purser working in 1st class and had to smell it. Very inconsiderate. ...and disgusting

User currently offlineKesflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11269 times:

I have personally seen it many times on Olympic Airlines OA, especially when the flight has a stop in between.

ATH-DXB-KWI. Pilots smoking in cockpit while in DXB.. Eventhough I am pretty sure the crew changed in DXB. Seems the fresh crew was having a puff as soon as they got onboard.


User currently offlineRevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11150 times:

When I worked for MU in the early 90's at ORD when that MD11 came in it and they opened the cockpit door it looked like cigar night at the casino. It was BAD. I'm surprised some of the pax didn't think there was a fire in the cockpit.

User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1024 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11056 times:



Quoting JOEYCAPPS (Reply 7):
Pilots have a lot on their plate. Judging from how many I've seen smoke, it shouldnt be that big of a deal.

If a pilot gets anxious without a smoke for the duration of his/her flight, they shouldn't be pilots in the first place! What if they forgot to buy a pack? Does it mean they get all antsy and can't fly the plane any longer?

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 15):
Smoking is not only bad for you, it's also equally bad for the people that are sharing those close quarters in the cockpit.



Quoting Hrc773 (Reply 19):
I was the purser working in 1st class and had to smell it.

100% agreed! If I'd pay a load for a First Class ticket and would have to put up with the smell coming out of the galley or cockpit I'd be majorly upset. It would be the last flight on that airline for me.

Sorry, not anti-smoking per se here (my partner smokes, too), but everything has its place. And if it is a place where I don't have the choice to leave, I want it smoke-free (or know in advance)...

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineBeagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

i worked for that italian airline, (its not AZ) and its common to find pilot smoking in cockpit during the flight. Usually they invite also the flight attendant.
I don't smoke and sometimes i had to dress the smoke hood to enter in cockpit(joking...) Big grin Big grin



Nervous? Yes. First Times? No, I've been nervous lots of times. -Airplane!
User currently offlineBALandorLivery From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10925 times:

WHAT'S MORE WORRYING IS THE FACT THAT SOME CHICK IS SITTING IN THE CAPTAINS SEAT DURING FLIGHT...........................

25 M11Stephen : Pilot's smoking isn't as big of a safety issue as pax smoking. Pax are careless and may very well throw the cigarette but into the garbage or on the f
26 Virginblue4 : Ive got to say 100% i agree with you on that one! I personally think it should be banned completly! And like you said have some decency for the other
27 JOEYCAPPS : Who said they picked up smoking before they became pilots? Perhaps a personal issue in their lives leads them to smoking, something that happened yea
28 Theengineer : There are some airlines I know where pilots smoke a lot. It is so to say the "place to smoke in the plane". I remember when a captain asked me if I ca
29 IDISA : Perfectly agree, NOBODY should sit in that seat!!
30 Beagleboys : why? its allowed... the FO is in his seat and the CPT seat is in his backward position so the girl can leave the seat and make space to the cpt in ca
31 Qantas744ER : The 727 is a addicted smoker since it's first flight. So i think there could be no better captain flying it Leo
32 Dc863 : They wouldn't be Serb/Croat/Bosniak/Albanian without a ciggy. I saw in cockpit smoking from JAT crews but this was in the 80s.
33 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Raise it as you see fit, its fact. BUT as I indicated, it HAS TO BE MUTUAL...Both must agree. FO and CAPTAIN...
34 413x3 : can you point that rule out in the FARs?
35 RichM : What if one of the pilots were Asthmatic?[Edited 2009-03-27 07:34:42]
36 JOEYCAPPS : Then if he's smart, he'd let the other pilot know. And if the other pilot wasnt a jerk, he'd comply. Worse comes to worse, you have oxygen in the F/D
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