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User currently offlineSplinkjet From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13401 times:
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Is this real? "A Pet Airline where pets fly in the main cabin, NOT in cargo!"

Pet Airways - http://www.petairways.com

There was an article today on TechCrunch: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/03/25...your-pet-needs-to-fly-first-class/

Has anyone else heard about this and are able to verify?


Splinkjet
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User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13378 times:

Not a chance.

As if the poorly edited planes (MS Paint) don't give away the bluff, I don't know what does.

Thats ludacris. Yet, judging from the past, there are probably plenty of people out there willing to do something like this. And probably some investors that would fall sucker for it!

"An idiot is born every minute".


User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13372 times:

They fly Convair 550's!?  alert   eek   eyepopping   faint  I did not know parts for them still existed!
My God! and the website copyright is 2009, so these people are in the 21 century!
20 planes!? They haven't even started yet! There are operations that have been running for 50 years and they have 10 planes!



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User currently offlineFlood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13310 times:

I wouldn't call BS just yet, the site actually seems authentic with other (more established) companies such as petmeds linking back to petairways. TechCrunch mentions "Flights will be limited to start, basically from Los Angeles to the East coast with stops in Denver and Chicago."

The idea itself isn't far-fetched. Whether or not such an operation would be sustainable is another story.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13287 times:

Pets fly in the cabin all the time - i took CO EWR-SXM and the family i was sat with had four dog carriers with horrible little yappy balls of dog fur in them.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

The noise would probably be annoying to the pets not to mention spare parts for the old turboprop airliners. This reminds me of Family Airlines and SMINT, though I like the idea unlike the previous two, I don't think it will work out.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13240 times:
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Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
This reminds me of Family Airlines and SMINT, though I like the idea unlike the previous two, I don't think it will work out.

It's been around nearly as long as the Family idea.

I first came across this website when I was living in the US and needed to transport my dogs. That was about seven years ago.

I suspect it is a couple of animal lovers who make money selling pet supplies and who have a dream of an airline.

But they claim they have a 20 aircraft fleet and years of experience.

Website: "Our air operations group consists of a 20 plane fleet of Falcon 20, Convair 580 and 5800 and B- 727-100 aircraft. Our planes are operated under part 121 and part 135 of the FAA regulations and have had an exemplary record of safety for over 30 years, with experience flying throughout the U.S., Canada, Mexico, Caribbean and South America."

It doesn't add up.  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 2996 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13101 times:

I was on an Air France flight from Orly to Nice in 2000 and the lady behind me had a small dog under her seat... I was only aware once it started whimpering! It was well behaved, but there has to be a risk that it wouldn't be, or leave plenty of mess over the cabin.

signol



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User currently offline0newair0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13070 times:

I hope these people know that they have to apply for an air carrier certificate. I cannot find mention of any FAA/DOT/GOV regulatory approval needed anywhere on the site or in any "news" articles.


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User currently onlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12975 times:

https://www.petsbest.com/community/Article/Pet-Airways-Ready-to-Embark.aspx

Found a link on PA. Seems legit.



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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12963 times:

From reading the website I'm not sure if they plan on flying passengers.
If you read about how they fly your pet, it says you check them in and then they do everything from there. It doesn't say anything about people flying on the plane too.
Also, in the pictures of their planes, the Falcon 20 has a big cargo door, which, assuming that's actually their plane, leads me to believe they don't fly people.
I doubt it will ever take off, but it's an interesting idea.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12953 times:

Nice map, where is Los Antgeles?

j


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12933 times:



Quoting Max550 (Reply 10):
From reading the website I'm not sure if they plan on flying passengers.

Max, you're right. Pet will not fly people.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 9):
https://www.petsbest.com/community/Article/Pet-Airways-Ready-to-Embark.aspx

Found a link on PA. Seems legit.

I don't know how legit this can be if 1) they have not started an application to become a Part 135 or 121 air carrier and 2) if they intend to operate their flights via public charter, they have not submitted a public charter prospectus to the DOT. I just don't think we'll be seeing Pet Airways take to the sky this summer, or any time relatively soon for that matter.



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1846 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12868 times:
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I'm sure Mr Whiskers just loves spending 3 hours in a noisy Convair flying trough rough turbulence  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineMetJetCEO From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12810 times:

I have questioned whether a service like this would make sense on major lanes (NYC to FL) and (NYC to LA). The thing I have always questioned is how you secure pets in the cabin and what liablity is there relating to allergies people have to pets, etc.

Im not talking Convair, either. I was thinking A320 or 737 type of service.


User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12793 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 12):
Max, you're right. Pet will not fly people.

So what's the point? Isn't an animal flying on the main deck of a cargo plane the same as flying in the cargo hold of a passenger plane? The logistics of it would be hard too, not only do I have to find a flight for myself, but I also have to find one that is at almost the same time for my pet.


User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12730 times:



Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 9):
Found a link on PA. Seems legit.

The article gives Pet no credibility whatsoever. I'm waiting for a PASI to be filed, or any other FAA/DOT correspondence before I lose any more time with this nonesense.


User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 12466 times:

Occam's Razor is blaring in my ear.. five bucks (American, of course) says they've simply made an arrangement with an existing Part 135 (probably freight) operator somewhere out there and are taking creative license within the bounds of this "operator's" existing op.


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User currently offlineVirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12381 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 12):
I don't know how legit this can be if 1) they have not started an application to become a Part 135 or 121 air carrier and 2) if they intend to operate their flights via public charter, they have not submitted a public charter prospectus to the DOT. I just don't think we'll be seeing Pet Airways take to the sky this summer, or any time relatively soon for that matter.

It does say on their website under the our planes section "Our planes are operated under part 121 and part 135 of the FAA regulations and have had an exemplary record of safety for over 30 years"

Jordan



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12352 times:

Quoting Virginblue4 (Reply 18):
"Our planes are operated under part 121 and part 135 of the FAA regulations and have had an exemplary record of safety for over 30 years"

I think the PLANES have been flying for 30 years, NOT the carrier. There's nothing at the FAA about them, including applications for an operating certificate, etc.

Also of note, one of their partners is Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab, UT, which is a no-kill shelter about 100 miles from ANYWHERE. The closest airport that can accomodate the aircraft they want to use is PGA, followed by SGU.

[Edited 2009-03-28 03:30:16]


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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12287 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
"Our planes are operated under part 121 and part 135 of the FAA regulations and have had an exemplary record of safety for over 30 years"

I think the PLANES have been flying for 30 years, NOT the carrier. There's nothing at the FAA about them, including applications for an operating certificate, etc.

You know, it would be quite hilarious if this "airline" tried to go and launch flights next month (so says the wall street journal) and the plane gets flown in to pick up its first batch of critters and it's met by FAA and/or DOT officials.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to operate an air service without getting approval...anyone know? And, if it has happened, what did the FAA/DOT do?



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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12226 times:

An amusing though to be sure, but definitely far fetched. I'm pretty certain this is just someone's fantasy with a good web designer.

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 20):
You know, it would be quite hilarious if this "airline" tried to go and launch flights next month (so says the wall street journal) and the plane gets flown in to pick up its first batch of critters and it's met by FAA and/or DOT officials.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to operate an air service without getting approval...anyone know? And, if it has happened, what did the FAA/DOT do?




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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12208 times:

Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 21):
I'm pretty certain this is just someone's fantasy with a good web designer.

If it is just a fantasy then why are a lot of news outlets picking up the story - including the ATA Smartbrief?

I am not a "professional" reporter, but I can say that if I was a "professional" reporter, I would make sure something is legit before I put my name on it and send it out for the world to see. ...just saying.

Oh, and if someone happened to dupe me I would make their lie known to the world ASAP.

[Edited 2009-03-28 07:59:53]


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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12188 times:

If this airline does go into business what happens if some unfriendly pets are on the plane with other pets?


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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12167 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 23):
If this airline does go into business what happens if some unfriendly pets are on the plane with other pets?

I believe they are kept in crates.


25 Seemyseems : KLM I think used to allow pets in the cabin I think they still do in some circumstances, my dad once had a Bichon Frise in the seat next to him.
26 Post contains links Mayor : Here's a link to the WSJ article............ http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2009...et-centric-airways-to-take-flight/ This would only seem to be an a
27 Goldenshield : The reason for this is due to to snub-nose dogs, and how they cannot effectively dissapate heat with tempuratures at or above 85 F. The airline is ba
28 Mayor : Actually, DL's limit for snub nosed dogs is 70F.....the 85F limit is for all other breeds.
29 Goldenshield : Now that I think about, you're right. It's been a while since I've worked cargo, so I'm getting a bit rusty there. Although, we did work 8 airlines,
30 Mayor : Well, while the snub nosed breeds are definitely the most vulnerable, it was also done because of connecting on the ramp, during the hot summer, part
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