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El Al Moves From STN To LTN - Daily Flight  
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

El Al announced yesterday that it will be transferring its operation from STN to LTN starting on May 3rd.
LY will offer a daily (ex-SAT) 762 flight to this airport in addition to its 11 weekly flights to LHR (which are operated with 772/744).

Schedule as follow:
LY213 TLV ETD 07:30 LTN ETA 10:55 1234..7
LY213 TLV ETD 05:05 LTN ETA 08:30 ....5..
LY214 LTN ETD 12:20 TLV ETA 19:15 1234..7
LY214 LTN ETD 09:55 TLV ETA 16:50 ....5..

Flights are already listed in GDSes

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User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Why this move to LTN? Isn't LTN even farther from London than STN?

[Edited 2009-03-26 02:59:37]

[Edited 2009-03-26 02:59:58]


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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4273 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5572 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
what does ex-SAT mean?

excludinf Saturday. As you check the schedule, you'll also find that 'day 6 = SAT' is not shown.

Interesting to see this airline moving to LTN.



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Will there be a Business Class Lounge at Luton?

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5521 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
Why this move to LTN? Isn't LTN even farther from London than STN?

Not really. About the same, to central.

Depends where you are going - STN is a good option due to the many bus connections to Golders Green (large Jewish area).

LTN has more train options though, plus does have bus services to North, and Central London.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5420 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
Will there be a Business Class Lounge at Luton?

AFAIK yes.


User currently offlineIH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1142 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5414 times:



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 4):
Depends where you are going - STN is a good option due to the many bus connections to Golders Green (large Jewish area).

Plus STN is still better for the City than Luton, even if only marginally so.

Is LTN really geared towards such an operation? It's been a while since I was last there, but am I right in thinking that it still has no airbridges, that the shopping is still below-par, and that baggage reclaim is still one of the most god-forsaken places on Earth?



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5283 times:



Quoting IH8BY (Reply 6):
am I right in thinking that it still has no airbridges, that the shopping is still below-par, and that baggage reclaim is still one of the most god-forsaken places on Earth?

Compared to STN it is.

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 5):
Quoting Richardw (Reply 3):
Will there be a Business Class Lounge at Luton?

AFAIK yes.

Not sure they are of LHR standards.


User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

LTN is a lot cheaper to get to than STN by train, a one way ticket from London St Pancras to LTN is about £9 or £10 yet a one way ticket from Liverpool St Station to STN is £17 !!! Ridiculous !!! The train takes about the exact same time, the only difference is that the train station isn't right at the airport at LTN but the train company, First Capital Connect, provides a free shuttle bus that takes about 5 minutes to get to the terminal. The train line that serves LTN is actually the Thameslink, the only line that transects London, which means you can catch a train all the way down south from Brighton, Gatwick or Croydon direct to Luton if need be.

It really depends on where you're coming from in London as to which is the most convenient. As I used to live in Kings Cross it was just an easy 10 minute walk to St Pancras and I was on a train to Luton, but to get to Liverpool St. for STN I had to take the tube a few stops which is always a major inconvenience. If you're in the City itself or Canary Wharf then Liverpool St will probably be easier to access, but if you're in the West End then St Pancras is closer.

Luton is also a lot less crowded than STN and as far as I'm concerned is a much nicer experience to travel though, I've never experienced crowds or long waits. There is sometimes a long line for security but it always moves incredibly fast, LTN unlike STN, LHR and LGW is not run by BAA and I think it shows !!!


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5210 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 8):
the train company, First Capital Connect, provides a free shuttle bus that takes about 5 minutes to get to the terminal.

Nor any more they don't, it's another £ or 2...

http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/content/2/193/by-rail.html

signol



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

More importantly, will LTN be closer to the Israeli population in London?


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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 5168 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 9):
Quoting Thestooges (Reply 8):
the train company, First Capital Connect, provides a free shuttle bus that takes about 5 minutes to get to the terminal.

Nor any more they don't, it's another £ or 2...

http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/content/2/193/by-rail.html

signol

Hmmm . . . I'm not quite sure what that means . . . .but,

when you buy a ticket to LTN I'm pretty sure you buy a ticket to Luton Airport and not Luton Airport Parkway so then the bus transfer is of course free. The charge is just for people who for some reason only bought a ticket to the Parkway or didnt arrive by train at all. The last time I took the train to LTN was 9 months ago, so maybe things have changed since then but I don't think so.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 5114 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
More importantly, will LTN be closer to the Israeli population in London?

Distance wise, yes. Public transport wise, no.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

LTN is a much better option really. Quicker by train. 30 mins vs 50 mins (though there is a short free bus journey to the station) and it's cheaper by train. You also have the option of Kings Cross and it's underground routes. Farringdon (if you want to come and say hello to me Big grin ) And City Thameslink which is great for the financial district.

I think STN is a pretty rubbish London airport to be honest. Too far out.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 4761 times:



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 13):
LTN is a much better option really

Maybe slightly quicker by public transport from some parts of town, but so much more of a crappy airport in general.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 6):
but am I right in thinking that it still has no airbridges

Correct.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 6):
that the shopping is still below-par,

Improved, but not exactly amazing.

Quoting IH8BY (Reply 6):
and that baggage reclaim is still one of the most god-forsaken places on Earth?

It sure is - a truly crappy piece of airport is that baggage reclaim, as in fact is pretty much all of arrivals.

Quoting Thestooges (Reply 11):
the bus transfer is of course free.

As Signol stated, no longer is that the case. £2.

Quoting Thestooges (Reply 8):
Luton is also a lot less crowded than STN

Like STN, it depends whether you get lucky or not - it can be ok, or you might be stuck there for ages trying to get out. If you have a non-EU passport, I wish you lots of luck. You will be probably be there for ages unless you fight your way of the plane first and sprint to the front.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4397 times:



Quoting RJ111 (Reply 13):
I think STN is a pretty rubbish London airport to be honest. Too far out.

But road access to STN from some areas of London, using the M11 motorway, can be more reliable than battling with the many delays which occur on the M1 motorway (which serves LTN).


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4281 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 15):
But road access to STN from some areas of London, using the M11 motorway, can be more reliable than battling with the many delays which occur on the M1 motorway (which serves LTN).

Disagree

Since the M1 has been upgraded to four lanes from the M25 up to Junction 11 (the airport juntion), the motorway is now a breeze!

Also in the coming weeks, the new dual carrage way from the M1 to the terminal is due to open and this is going to dramitically improve the access to the airport. Especially passengers coming up from London.

For people living North of London, LTN is also so much more accessable, with the M1 providing access to the North of England and the Midlands. The M11 to STN is only any good for people of East Anglia, from the North have to drive right passed LTN than around the M25 and back up the M11. Unless you choose to use the aweful A roads accross Hertfordshire around STN to avoid the M25.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4217 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16):
Since the M1 has been upgraded to four lanes from the M25 up to Junction 11 (the airport juntion), the motorway is now a breeze!

Good point. I'd forgotten about the upgrading.

But local radio regularly broadcasts problems on the London motorway network and the M1 appears to receive more of these than does the M11. The M25 is so problematic that it's best avoided altogether.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16):
Also in the coming weeks, the new dual carrage way from the M1 to the terminal is due to open and this is going to dramitically improve the access to the airport. Especially passengers coming up from London.

This is a selling point for LTN's road access.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16):
The M11 to STN is only any good for people of East Anglia, from the North have to drive right passed LTN than around the M25 and back up the M11. Unless you choose to use the aweful A roads accross Hertfordshire around STN to avoid the M25.

Not true. Passengers driving down from the North will either take the M1 or A1 then take the A14 (in the East Midlands/Eastern Home Counties) which links into the M11.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

is this a 757 or 738?

User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4181 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 18):
is this a 757 or 738?

I'm pretty sure I saw a 738 at STN on Friday. It was half obscured by the jetbridge though.

signol



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4132 times:



Quoting Signol (Reply 19):
is this a 757 or 738?

Well according to the press releases and timetable all flights are due to be operated by a 767-200, making it LTN's only scheduled wide-bodied route!
(Some charters operated by the like on Thomson and Monarch are operated by A300's and 767-300's)

Atleast with El-Al being optimistic that the route is going to sell well, they can if necessary operate it with smaller equipment if and when demand requires. When Thomson used to operate the route, it was scheduled to be flown by a 737-800, but was regularly upgraded to a 757 and 767 on occassions, at peak times.

With El-Al being far more well known on the London to Tel Aviv route, I suspect they wil have little problems flying it with a 767-200.


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Been speaking to some old colleagues at Menzies Aviation, they are going after the contract and have been told they will be trained on 767 and 777 aircraft as El Al may operate the 777-200 to LTN if demand needs it!

Glenn



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Wow, big news for LTN - first time a 'legacy' carrier has served LTN in a while apart from the rebadged Manx IOM run in BA colors.

Quoting El Al 001 (Thread starter):
Quoting Thestooges (Reply 11):
the bus transfer is of course free.

As Signol stated, no longer is that the case. £2.

I thought it was clairified in another thread the 2 quid would only apply to non train pax - a through ticket to Luton Parkway would include the bus. I guess this is to stop people dropping off down at the train station and get the free bus in rather than pay the new drop fee outside the terminal.

LTN is a great option for the Jewish community - the folks in Stamford Hill would prefer STN, but there are large Jewish communities in Edgware, Stanmore, Harrow, Pinner, Shenley & Elstree areas too, which I guess is more LHR territory than STN territory.

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 21):
El Al may operate the 777-200 to LTN if demand needs it!

Now that would be a great site to see at LTN!!



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

This is probably a question for someone who knows El-Al quite well...

Will it be possible for passengers flying on the new LTN-TLV service, to connect on to any onwards destinations? For example to the Middle or Far East?

Or are El-Al's services from the UK very much marketed as a point-to-point service?


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Smart move, very large, wealthy Jewish community along the M1/Thameslink corridor from Golders Green out as far as Radlett/ St Albans who will jump at the chance to fly from Luton. From that part of London/Herts Luton is so much easier than Stansted. Most would previously have opted for LHR.

[Edited 2009-03-31 01:34:17]

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