El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5357 times:
El Al announced yesterday that it will be transferring its operation from STN to LTN starting on May 3rd.
LY will offer a daily (ex-SAT) 762 flight to this airport in addition to its 11 weekly flights to LHR (which are operated with 772/744).
Schedule as follow:
LY213 TLV ETD 07:30 LTN ETA 10:55 1234..7
LY213 TLV ETD 05:05 LTN ETA 08:30 ....5..
LY214 LTN ETD 12:20 TLV ETA 19:15 1234..7
LY214 LTN ETD 09:55 TLV ETA 16:50 ....5..
IH8BY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1140 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5125 times:
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 4): Depends where you are going - STN is a good option due to the many bus connections to Golders Green (large Jewish area).
Plus STN is still better for the City than Luton, even if only marginally so.
Is LTN really geared towards such an operation? It's been a while since I was last there, but am I right in thinking that it still has no airbridges, that the shopping is still below-par, and that baggage reclaim is still one of the most god-forsaken places on Earth?
Have you ever felt like you could float into the sky / like the laws of physics simply don't apply?
Thestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4940 times:
LTN is a lot cheaper to get to than STN by train, a one way ticket from London St Pancras to LTN is about £9 or £10 yet a one way ticket from Liverpool St Station to STN is £17 !!! Ridiculous !!! The train takes about the exact same time, the only difference is that the train station isn't right at the airport at LTN but the train company, First Capital Connect, provides a free shuttle bus that takes about 5 minutes to get to the terminal. The train line that serves LTN is actually the Thameslink, the only line that transects London, which means you can catch a train all the way down south from Brighton, Gatwick or Croydon direct to Luton if need be.
It really depends on where you're coming from in London as to which is the most convenient. As I used to live in Kings Cross it was just an easy 10 minute walk to St Pancras and I was on a train to Luton, but to get to Liverpool St. for STN I had to take the tube a few stops which is always a major inconvenience. If you're in the City itself or Canary Wharf then Liverpool St will probably be easier to access, but if you're in the West End then St Pancras is closer.
Luton is also a lot less crowded than STN and as far as I'm concerned is a much nicer experience to travel though, I've never experienced crowds or long waits. There is sometimes a long line for security but it always moves incredibly fast, LTN unlike STN, LHR and LGW is not run by BAA and I think it shows !!!
Hmmm . . . I'm not quite sure what that means . . . .but,
when you buy a ticket to LTN I'm pretty sure you buy a ticket to Luton Airport and not Luton Airport Parkway so then the bus transfer is of course free. The charge is just for people who for some reason only bought a ticket to the Parkway or didnt arrive by train at all. The last time I took the train to LTN was 9 months ago, so maybe things have changed since then but I don't think so.
RJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
LTN is a much better option really. Quicker by train. 30 mins vs 50 mins (though there is a short free bus journey to the station) and it's cheaper by train. You also have the option of Kings Cross and it's underground routes. Farringdon (if you want to come and say hello to me ) And City Thameslink which is great for the financial district.
I think STN is a pretty rubbish London airport to be honest. Too far out.
Like STN, it depends whether you get lucky or not - it can be ok, or you might be stuck there for ages trying to get out. If you have a non-EU passport, I wish you lots of luck. You will be probably be there for ages unless you fight your way of the plane first and sprint to the front.
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Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2981 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3992 times:
Quoting LondonCity (Reply 15): But road access to STN from some areas of London, using the M11 motorway, can be more reliable than battling with the many delays which occur on the M1 motorway (which serves LTN).
Since the M1 has been upgraded to four lanes from the M25 up to Junction 11 (the airport juntion), the motorway is now a breeze!
Also in the coming weeks, the new dual carrage way from the M1 to the terminal is due to open and this is going to dramitically improve the access to the airport. Especially passengers coming up from London.
For people living North of London, LTN is also so much more accessable, with the M1 providing access to the North of England and the Midlands. The M11 to STN is only any good for people of East Anglia, from the North have to drive right passed LTN than around the M25 and back up the M11. Unless you choose to use the aweful A roads accross Hertfordshire around STN to avoid the M25.
LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16): Since the M1 has been upgraded to four lanes from the M25 up to Junction 11 (the airport juntion), the motorway is now a breeze!
Good point. I'd forgotten about the upgrading.
But local radio regularly broadcasts problems on the London motorway network and the M1 appears to receive more of these than does the M11. The M25 is so problematic that it's best avoided altogether.
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16): Also in the coming weeks, the new dual carrage way from the M1 to the terminal is due to open and this is going to dramitically improve the access to the airport. Especially passengers coming up from London.
This is a selling point for LTN's road access.
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 16): The M11 to STN is only any good for people of East Anglia, from the North have to drive right passed LTN than around the M25 and back up the M11. Unless you choose to use the aweful A roads accross Hertfordshire around STN to avoid the M25.
Not true. Passengers driving down from the North will either take the M1 or A1 then take the A14 (in the East Midlands/Eastern Home Counties) which links into the M11.
Well according to the press releases and timetable all flights are due to be operated by a 767-200, making it LTN's only scheduled wide-bodied route!
(Some charters operated by the like on Thomson and Monarch are operated by A300's and 767-300's)
Atleast with El-Al being optimistic that the route is going to sell well, they can if necessary operate it with smaller equipment if and when demand requires. When Thomson used to operate the route, it was scheduled to be flown by a 737-800, but was regularly upgraded to a 757 and 767 on occassions, at peak times.
With El-Al being far more well known on the London to Tel Aviv route, I suspect they wil have little problems flying it with a 767-200.
EZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2457 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3789 times:
Been speaking to some old colleagues at Menzies Aviation, they are going after the contract and have been told they will be trained on 767 and 777 aircraft as El Al may operate the 777-200 to LTN if demand needs it!
I thought it was clairified in another thread the 2 quid would only apply to non train pax - a through ticket to Luton Parkway would include the bus. I guess this is to stop people dropping off down at the train station and get the free bus in rather than pay the new drop fee outside the terminal.
LTN is a great option for the Jewish community - the folks in Stamford Hill would prefer STN, but there are large Jewish communities in Edgware, Stanmore, Harrow, Pinner, Shenley & Elstree areas too, which I guess is more LHR territory than STN territory.
Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 21): El Al may operate the 777-200 to LTN if demand needs it!
Hotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
Smart move, very large, wealthy Jewish community along the M1/Thameslink corridor from Golders Green out as far as Radlett/ St Albans who will jump at the chance to fly from Luton. From that part of London/Herts Luton is so much easier than Stansted. Most would previously have opted for LHR.