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Largest U.S. Markets To Asia  
User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

I am curious if someone can list the top 5 or 10 markets to Asia. This is based on passenger numbers and not the total number of flight one airport has.

I would assume Los Angeles has to be the largest, with New York and San Francisco up there too.

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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6411 times:
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Japan is probably the largest single market as three USA airlines have service from at least four cities and most except USairways fly to Tokyo. United, Delta(NW) and AA fly from the east and west coasts and their midwest hubs to Japan. Hawaii is very big for Japanesse vacations, HNL sometimes looks like a Japanesse airport with all the JAL 747's in special tropical livery. LAX, SFO, ORD and JFK are the biggest markets since they each have both Japanesse airlines and two or more US airlines. Delta flies from Atlanta, DTW, MSP, PDX and SEA with no other competition to NRT. Continental has Houston and Newark to itself with 777 to NRT.

Korean airlines fly to more major USA cities then Japanesse airlines do. Asiana and Korean have the biggest footprints by Asia-Pacific airlines in the USA.

Most US airlines have or will soon be flying to Peking and/or Shanghai in the People's Republic of China. Honk Kong is a great market for Asia starting years ago with Pan AM's China Clipper and then nonstop in the 1970's by 747SP from SFO now flown nonstop by United as well as from Chicago nonstop by UA.

Cathay Pacific, Hong Kong's crown jewel of an airline, flies to all the big USA markets nonstop with their 777-300ER and 744, SFO, LAX and JFK multiple times daily.

Singapore Airlines should have been flying nonstop with the A380 by now, recessions do kill good intentions. SQ flies to both coast via NRT, ICN, NRT and FRA to JFK. They also fly all Business Class nonstops to LAX and Newark from SIN.

Qantas from Australia is the first airline to fly the A380 to LAX and flies to all major Australian cities daily from LAX. They own that market with up to 6 daily Jumbo jet flights, parts of LAX becomes a Qantas parking lot most of the day.

Other airlines from Malaysia, Taiwan, Thailand and China fly to the USA, mostly to California or New York.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

I think the poster is asking what are the type five markets in the US for travel to Asia, not just nonstops but what are the top five US markets for Asian travel.

I don't have access to that info, but if I had to guess..

LAX, NYC, SFO, HNL, ORD



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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6357 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
LAX, NYC, SFO, HNL, ORD

How does SEA fit into the list?

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Delta flies from Atlanta, DTW, MSP, PDX and SEA with no other competition to NRT.

I thought UA has SEA-NRT nonstop as well. Also, OZ and KE go to ICN, BR does TPE, and Hainan started PEK, I believe.



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6366 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
I think the poster is asking what are the type five markets in the US for travel to Asia, not just nonstops but what are the top five US markets for Asian travel.

I don't have access to that info, but if I had to guess..

LAX, NYC, SFO, HNL, ORD

Those 5 make sense, I guess if I were to put what cities I think are in the top 10, I would say NYC, LAX, SHO, HNL, ORD, SEA and not sure what else.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Top US international City Pair Boardings 2007 -

RANK - City Pair - Yr/Yr Growth - Avg. LF
2. HNL-NRT - 1,765,177 - (-4.2%) - 81.5%
5. LAX-NRT - 1,375,666 - +4.1% - 75.5%
6. LAX-TPE - 1,303,544 - +2.4% - 80.3%
8. GUM-NRT - 1,050,433 - +2.6% - 85.8%
13. LAX-ICN - 866,621 - +5.7% - 83.9%
17. SFO-NRT - 792,562 +1.1% - 82.4%
18. ORD-NRT - 753,704 - (-1.5%) - 79.5%
25. LAX-HKG - 704,593 - +5.0% - 79.4%
34.HNL-KIX - 614,191 - (-8.1%) - 81.6%
35. SFO-HKG - 611,417 - +11.9% - 85.5%
37. JFK-NRT - 601,890 - (-10.3%) - 81.2%


As you can see Japan heavily favored in the list.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Is your question relating to the Far East and S.E. Asia only? India is also very much in Asia and there are at least 4 US carriers (DL/NW, AA, CO) and 2 Indian carriers (AI, 9W) flying between the US and India.....

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16691 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6183 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
As you can see Japan heavily favored in the list.

My Wife and I visited Hawaii for the first time this past August, I knew Hawaii was a popular tourist destination for Japanese but we were really surprised just how much they dominated the scene in Waikiki. There were malls that catered entirely to Japanese tourists, My wife and I wandered around looking to buy some souvenirs not knowing whether we were allowed in the mall. We were the only non Japanese in this entire mall.

Surprisingly on Maui there were very few Japanese, they seemed concentrated on Oahu.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6150 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Top US international City Pair Boardings 2007 -

RANK - City Pair - Yr/Yr Growth - Avg. LF
2. HNL-NRT - 1,765,177 - (-4.2%) - 81.5%
5. LAX-NRT - 1,375,666 - +4.1% - 75.5%
6. LAX-TPE - 1,303,544 - +2.4% - 80.3%
8. GUM-NRT - 1,050,433 - +2.6% - 85.8%
13. LAX-ICN - 866,621 - +5.7% - 83.9%
17. SFO-NRT - 792,562 +1.1% - 82.4%
18. ORD-NRT - 753,704 - (-1.5%) - 79.5%
25. LAX-HKG - 704,593 - +5.0% - 79.4%
34.HNL-KIX - 614,191 - (-8.1%) - 81.6%
35. SFO-HKG - 611,417 - +11.9% - 85.5%
37. JFK-NRT - 601,890 - (-10.3%) - 81.2%
As you can see Japan heavily favored in the list.

Hi LAXintl,

Where did you get that list from?

Thanks


User currently offlineEstabulla From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6016 times:



Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 6):

That's the sad part (at least in the US) that most people associate Asia, the largest continent, with just the Orient or the Far East. I wish that when people say "Asia" or "Asian" they include all of the countries in Asia, not just the Orient.

On that note, to be fair, it would be interesting to note the boardings data for the following cities in India: BOM, DEL, MAA, BLR and countries: Singapore (SIN), Malaysia and Thailand (BKK).



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5998 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 1):
Australia

I excluded the South Pacific as its clearly not Asia, but for the record.

26. LAX-SYD - 689,660 - +5.0% - 78.2%
31. LAX-AKL - 623,435 - (-4.8%) - 79.3%

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 6):
India is also very much in Asia and there are at least 4 US carriers (DL/NW, AA, CO) and 2 Indian carriers (AI, 9W) flying between the US and India.....

Well regardless, none of the India city-pairs are in the top-100.

However as more nonstop service comes on board, I suspect they will nudge in especially on city-pairs that have more then one operator.

If you really want to use a broad definitation of Asia, suppose you could add in Israel. If so;

48. JFK-TLV - 522,236 - (-0.2) - 89.0%

Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
we were really surprised just how much they dominated the scene in Waikiki

You should have seen it in the late 80s and 90s. Japanese visitation to Hawaii has declined significantly since.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 8):
Where did you get that list from?

Access to a data for work. Ultimately the info is sourced from IATA and DOT.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Great topic!

I wonder if its possible to for someone to make a list of the largest 10 or so markets from the USA to Asia (as opposed to city pairs). I dont have access to the data anymore and its been a while since ive seen that. Last I looked LAX was the largest followed by SFO, NYC, HNL and ORD.



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User currently offlineJoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5864 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I wonder if its possible to for someone to make a list of the largest 10 or so markets from the USA to Asia (as opposed to city pairs). I dont have access to the data anymore and its been a while since ive seen that. Last I looked LAX was the largest followed by SFO, NYC, HNL and ORD.

Well, I was bored here at work so I checked the OAG for this May and came up with these figures:

Assumptions: 747 has 374 seats, 330 has 298 seats, 340 has 246 seats, 340 (SQ has 100 seats), 777 has 316 seats. *only* counted Far East Asia (not Oceania nor Indian Sub Continent nor "Middle East")

LAX: 57,808 seats per week
SFO: 38,138
HNL: 29,586
ORD 20,268
SEA: 12,198
JFK: 10,066

This is a rough guess but I am confident it is close.

Well, back to work!


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5847 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Access to a data for work. Ultimately the info is sourced from IATA and DOT.

Thanks LAXintl,

Would you have any information on PHX -ASIA-PHX passengers?

I've always wondered what PHX main asian destination are. When I worked as CSR for US Airways in PHX 2007 I would check in a decent amount of PVG, TPE, and HKG passengers on a daily basis. Also I know HP use to codeshare with EVA Air from PHX-LAX/SFO-TPE for a long time. So I would think TPE would have to be one of the top destinations out of PHX?

Thanks


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15470 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5823 times:



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 13):
So I would think TPE would have to be one of the top destinations out of PHX?

The US Airways' 332s would be stretched to the max on those flights. They could do it, but I would have to guess that those planes could be better used elsewhere.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5737 times:



Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 12):
Well, I was bored here at work so I checked the OAG for this May and came up with these figures:

Thanks a bunch for that. Do you have any O&D data for the largest markets to Asia?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5620 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I wonder if its possible to for someone to make a list of the largest 10 or so markets from the USA to Asia (as opposed to city pairs).

In general, the city-pairs will be the largest markets.

It besides NYC with JFK and EWR, I cant think of other cities that have dual airports serving US-Asia traffic on either side of the Pacific.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 13):
I've always wondered what PHX main asian destination are

That requires search thru MIDT data which I dont touch much.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
Do you have any O&D data for the largest markets to Asia?

Yes somewhat at my finger tips.

Top total US-Far East O&D markets(2007);

1. Tokyo 4,656,941
2. Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto MSA 2,892,736 (amazing considering how little direct service it has been able to sustain)
If you break it down by airports its Nagoya-867,907 and Osaka 2,0224,829
3. Seoul 2,688,376
4. Taipei 2,078,162
5. Hong Kong 1,463,495

I'd expected a China city such as Shanghai to squeeze in for future years



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5516 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Yes somewhat at my finger tips.

Do you have any info for cities on this side of the Pacific?

Id be interested in seeing the top ten if you can get them. Id find it facinating to see where exactly the distribution of O&D to Asia is from the USA.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Top US Asia/Pacific markets(2006)
LAX - 7.3mil - 27.3% market share
SFO - 3.9mil - 14.6%
HNL - 3.7mil - 13.8%
GUM - 2.6mil - 9.7%
NYC - 2.3mil - 8.6% (JFK 1.6m, EWR 0.7mil)
ORD - 1.9mil - 7.1%
SEA - 0.9mil - 3.3%
SPN - 0.8mil - 3.1%
DTW - 0.8mil - 3.0%

[Edited 2009-03-26 15:08:28]


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5306 times:
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Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 12):
JFK: 10,066

From JFK to Tokyo JAL has two daily, ANA daily 77W, AA 777 daily and soon Delta a 777 daily. Seoul has three 744 daily by Asiana and Korean. HKG has 3 Cathay 77W daily. Air China flies daily to PEK.


Continental flies daily 777 to each HKG, NRT, Peking and Shanghai. So it has to be WAY more then 10,000 saets weekly.

This is most but not all the NEW York to Asia flights, 16 flights daily at 300 seats per flights is 4800 seats daily. That is 33,600 seats weekly.

This doesn't even count India.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5272 times:



Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 12):
JFK: 10,066

Does this value include the SQ JFK flight since it stops in FRA?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
SEA - 0.9mil - 3.3%
...
DTW - 0.8mil - 3.0%

I guess I'm surprised by the small variance between SEA and DTW.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7320 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5144 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
Top US Asia/Pacific markets(2006)
LAX - 7.3mil - 27.3% market share
SFO - 3.9mil - 14.6%
HNL - 3.7mil - 13.8%
GUM - 2.6mil - 9.7%
NYC - 2.3mil - 8.6% (JFK 1.6m, EWR 0.7mil)
ORD - 1.9mil - 7.1%
SEA - 0.9mil - 3.3%
SPN - 0.8mil - 3.1%
DTW - 0.8mil - 3.0%

Wow, thanks for that! Loving the data!

Do you have any data for IAH, DFW, ATL, BOS, and WAS?



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

^^^ can you add PHX to that list?

User currently offlineAnonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5085 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
4. Taipei 2,078,162

Wow, I'm surprised Taipei gets more traffic than Hong Kong.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24320 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5048 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 20):
I guess I'm surprised by the small variance between SEA and DTW.

Yes interesting. Im sure DTW gets a nice boost due to the auto business, while SEA really has been hit and miss story for many Asian services.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 21):
Do you have any data for IAH, DFW, ATL, BOS, and WAS?



Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 22):
^^^ can you add PHX to that list?

I'll have to look. They did not make the top summary list which I have.

Quoting Anonms (Reply 23):
Wow, I'm surprised Taipei gets more traffic than Hong Kong.

Remember those are O&D numbers. TPE I'm sure is more local flow, while HKG gets more transfers thanks to the strong CX hub.

However I believe TPE gets a nuce big boost thanks to LAX, where its nearly twice as popular over HKG on total traffic terms.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
6. LAX-TPE - 1,303,544 - +2.4% - 80.3%



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
25. LAX-HKG - 704,593 - +5.0% - 79.4%




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25 Jjeff : I've noticed the disparity too. There's a reason for this. Maui's runway is too short for a fully loaded widebody to get off the ground for a non-sto
26 Aaron747 : Except for a few resorts on the Big Island, nobody speaks Japanese outside of Honolulu, so the average English-adverse Japanese traveler is afraid to
27 Flygbear : One route not mentioned by SQ is Houston-Moscow-Singapore. Can anybody explain the reasoning for this route? Having lived in Houston while w/ CO I a f
28 STT757 : Oil traffic, both to Russia and Singapore.
29 Bobnwa : Since these figures include Asia originating passengers and connecting passengers on he US side, they do not truly reflect The largest US to Asia mar
30 LAXintl : No these are O&D numbers, same with the Asian cities listed in reply 16. My city-pairs routes listed in reply-5 however include all traffic, local an
31 747buff : How much of LAX-NRT, LAX-HKG and LAX-TPE is O&D vs. connecting traffic? Also, any idea of how much traffic from the U.S. goes to BKK and MNL?
32 Gr8Circle : Not a question of 'broad' definition or otherwise.....Isreal IS IN Asia..... Yeah, I guessed as much....but doesn't the top 100 city pairs include ev
33 Eghansen : Anybody who lives in California can tell you that the largest markets US-Asia is LAX and SFO. California with 38 million people is the largest in the
34 LAXdude1023 : LAX without question is the largest market to Asia. O&D and otherwise. There isnt even a close second.
35 LAXintl : I need to research this for the specific numbers however off the top of my head from memory, NRT is almost 50/50 thanks much thanks to the hubs the U
36 Bobnwa : Does that mean that 0.8 mil passengers originated their travel in SPN. I would think that just about all of them would be returning passengers to Jap
37 LAXintl : O&D means Origin and/or destination. = point to point. The info I presented is not point of purchase data. That is total different and would indeed s
38 Eghansen : There is very heavy traffic between SPN, GUM and HNL to Japan and Korea. This is because of the large number of military personnel traveling between
39 747buff : Very nice. Thank you, LAXintl!
40 Eghansen : A log of people connect in TPE to SIN, KUL and BKK because one must connect somewhere and CAL/EVA often have the cheapest fares to those cities. Ever
41 Coolfish1103 : The problem with NRT being on the top of the list is that there's so many US based airlines using NRT as an intermediate stop to connect to other Asia
42 LAXdude1023 : Yes indeed. I love spending time in Alhambra or El Monte. Taiwanese flags all over the place and Taiwanese food! However I think a major reason is al
43 LAXintl : Regardless, Japan and Tokyo specifically is by far the largest O&D market as I posted in reply16.
44 AznMadSci : This wasn't unique to LAX. When CI had service to IAH, they provided bus service from the southwest side (Sugar Land) to IAH. Also don't they provide
45 Legacyins : They offer the service at SFO. They have a bus service from the South Bay to connect to CI003
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