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SQ May Defer Some A380 Deliveries  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

SIA fails to rule out possibility of deferring A380 deliveries

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...possibility-of-deferring-a380.html

Quote:
Singapore Airlines is not ruling out the possibility of deferring some later Airbus A380 deliveries. The carrier, which has received six of 13 A380s it has on firm order, says that while it has no plans to delay four deliveries due this year"we don't discount the possibility of deferring future deliveries as we consider the options for our fleet going forward".SIA said in February that it would "decommission" 17 older 747-400s and 777s in response to the fall in passenger traffic.

I was not expecting SQ defer.

Some more A380 news

Airbus, Air India resume talks on A-380 aircraft sale

http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/airb...resume-talks-on-a380-aircraft-sale

Quote:
Airbus Industrie once again initiated talks with Air India to sell its A-380 aircraft. Srinivasan Dwarkanath, Head of International Cooperation, India and East Asia, Airbus, on the sidelines of a press meet held yesterday in New Delhi said that they were in talks with Air India for selling A-380 aircraft. Similar talks with Air India in 2007 had failed.

Not possible in the near future, however, IT cancellation is on my mind.

[Edited 2009-03-26 08:33:44]

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10454 times:

This is non-news about SQ. Every airline would say that about every order during these "difficult economic times" and it doesn't mean anything.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

SQ ordered 2 tranches of WhaleJets -- the first for 10 and the second for 9. As the economy stands now, SQ can reasonably put to use about 10 WhaleJets including the 6 already delivered. SQ have not yet decided on an interior configuration for the second tranche, so those look likely to be deferred. When the economy recovers and demand increases (particularly to North America), then SQ can take delivery of the second tranche.

For now, SQ want their A330-300s delivered ASAP. I would not be surprised if SQ were to extend the leases on some or all of the A330-300s.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9834 posts, RR: 96
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10255 times:
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Quoting Aviationbuff (Thread starter):
I was not expecting SQ defer.

They haven't said they are..........
But in this climate, I'd be astonished if any airline would point-blank rule out deferrals of any model.....
Just my  twocents 

Rgds


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10183 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
For now, SQ want their A330-300s delivered ASAP

How many deliveries are they expecting this year? It looks like 3 have been delivered, 9V-STA-C



The grass is greener where you water it
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10183 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 3):
Just my 2 cents 

Actually, they were my 2 cents. Give them back. In these "difficult economic times" I can't afford to give them up.  Smile



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10032 times:



Quoting Swallow (Reply 4):
How many deliveries are they expecting this year?

About 10 including the 3 already delivered.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9976 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
SQ ordered 2 tranches of WhaleJets -- the first for 10 and the second for 9

Why does the article say, "The carrier, which has received six of 13 A380s it has on firm order,"?

Obviously 6+13 = 10+9, so is the article simply poorly worded?

And I thought SQ was filling these things and making money hand over fist even in these tough economic times. Deferral doesn't seem to make sense.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9806 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 7):
Why does the article say, "The carrier, which has received six of 13 A380s it has on firm order,"?

Obviously 6+13 = 10+9, so is the article simply poorly worded?

Incompetent journalism. I don't believe SQ have cancelled 6 WhaleJet orders.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 7):
I thought SQ was filling these things and making money hand over fist even in these tough economic times.

Wish that were true. As I wrote above, SQ can fill about 10 WhaleJets at profitable yields in the current economic environment. 2xLHR puts to use 4, 2xSYD puts to use 2, CDG puts to use 2, NRT puts to use 1, and MEL puts to use 1. Anything else is better operated by A330s or 777s.


User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9231 times:

Look, a wise decision by SQ considering the current global crisis that is facing every business out there. Obviously, we would all like to see SQ take all the A380s and fly them around the world, but SQ can only fly them on selected route to be profitable so be it.

Obviously, things will change and once they do, SQ can take up the deferred A380s and provide additional capacity where it is needed.


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7568 times:



Quoting Khobar (Reply 7):
Why does the article say, "The carrier, which has received six of 13 A380s it has on firm order,"?

Obviously 6+13 = 10+9, so is the article simply poorly worded?

I guess it was to be "of the *remaining* 13 it has on firm order"...?

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7361 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
For now, SQ want their A330-300s delivered ASAP. I would not be surprised if SQ were to extend the leases on some or all of the A330-300s.

This is alittle off topic, but I fully agree with you.

By the time the 787 will be delivered, I think SQ will use them to replace older 777s rather than the newer and more efficient A330s.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7208 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
Quoting Khobar (Reply 7):
Why does the article say, "The carrier, which has received six of 13 A380s it has on firm order,"?

Obviously 6+13 = 10+9, so is the article simply poorly worded?

Incompetent journalism. I don't believe SQ have cancelled 6 WhaleJet orders.

Quoting Khobar (Reply 7):
I thought SQ was filling these things and making money hand over fist even in these tough economic times.

Wish that were true. As I wrote above, SQ can fill about 10 WhaleJets at profitable yields in the current economic environment. 2xLHR puts to use 4, 2xSYD puts to use 2, CDG puts to use 2, NRT puts to use 1, and MEL puts to use 1. Anything else is better operated by A330s or 777s.

I dont think thats true - what about:

FRA?

FRA/JFK?

SFO?

TPE/LAX?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5080 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Now if only they stopped with this R class nonsense the may actually get bums on seats!

Now is the time to allow award redemptions in these cabins... ie better to fill em up with points than no revenue.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7041 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
I dont think thats true - what about:

FRA?

FRA/JFK?

SFO?

TPE/LAX?

At the moment, FRA can support 2x 777-300ER service with one of them continuing to JFK, SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-ICN-SFO are both 777-300ER services and loads/yields are just ok, and SIN-TPE-LAX was cancelled altogether last year. If SQ had to fly a WhaleJet to North America, SIN-NRT-LAX would be the route, but that is better flown by a 777-300ER now.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6970 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
If SQ had to fly a WhaleJet to North America, SIN-NRT-LAX would be the route, but that is better flown by a 777-300ER now.

I wish it was high demand/yield enough to do, as I'd like to go to Japan and take the A380 to get there. But as it stands, the non-stop to SIN siphons off too much premium traffic to also support the A380 LAX-NRT-SIN.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6956 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 12):
I dont think thats true - what about:

FRA?

FRA/JFK?

SFO?

TPE/LAX?

At the moment, FRA can support 2x 777-300ER service with one of them continuing to JFK, SIN-HKG-SFO and SIN-ICN-SFO are both 777-300ER services and loads/yields are just ok, and SIN-TPE-LAX was cancelled altogether last year. If SQ had to fly a WhaleJet to North America, SIN-NRT-LAX would be the route, but that is better flown by a 777-300ER now.

My bad i meant NRT-LAX not TPE-LAX.

Where do SQ fly their 744s now?



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Well, Air India has never bought any Airbuses, they lease the A310 and A330 they got, so
I´m more convinced that they looking for a bargain on the B748i by talking to Airbus.
SIA I doubt they stop their A380 expansion, but that´s just my gut feeling.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5963 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 16):
Where do SQ fly their 744s now?

SIN-LHR (until 27 March), SIN-NRT-LAX, SIN-MEL, 2xSIN-SYD (until 25 June), and SIN-FRA-JFK. Of those, the only ones that can plausibly support WhaleJet service at current demand levels are 1x daily SYD (i.e. a 2nd daily WhaleJet) and MEL.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

In the long run, SQ needs more than 19 A 380s and I am sure they will order more in the future. Comments? Maybe up to 30?

Will SIN-HKG-SFO go A 380 when they recieve more A 380s?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5461 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 19):
In the long run, SQ needs more than 19 A 380s and I am sure they will order more in the future. Comments?

There is no factual basis for such a belief. It seems only slightly more likely than SQ ordering more A340-500s.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 19):
Will SIN-HKG-SFO go A 380 when they recieve more A 380s?

Maybe someday but, right now, the route is barely supporting a 777-300ER.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7928 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

I do think that SQ may switch to the A380-800 on the SIN-HKG-SFO route later this year, especially since they will by the end of 2009 have enough A388's to fly this route. We're all forgetting that northern California has a HUGE Chinese ex-patriate population (including me! Big grin ) and as such SQ can offer this plane as an enticement to draw away passengers from UA and CX on this route.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4108 times:



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 21):
I do think that SQ may switch to the A380-800 on the SIN-HKG-SFO route later this year, especially since they will by the end of 2009 have enough A388's to fly this route.

SQ couldn't fill a 747-400 on SIN-HKG-SFO and downgauged to a 777-300ER. The last two WhaleJets due for delivery to SQ this year will probably be put to use by adding MEL and a second daily SYD to the rotation. I think MEL is more likely than the 2nd SYD.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3824 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
SIN-NRT-LAX

I thought this was moving to 77W?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3600 times:



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
SQ couldn't fill a 747-400 on SIN-HKG-SFO and downgauged to a 777-300ER

SQ is disposing of their 744s so it a mute point. But, you are right, their LF has dropped substantially on the SIN-HKG-SFO route. Their average is about 55-65%. Probably won't see the A380 at SFO until this financial mess gets cleared up.



John@SFO
25 Airbazar : I don't think that is true at all. There's a reason why this is SQ01/02. SIN-HKG-SFO is thought to be one of SQ's highest yielding routes, if not the
26 SInGAPORE_AIR : Perhaps previously. However, the macroeconomic effects of late have depressed yield. Further, the "flagship product" has done little to boost the abs
27 Post contains links Aviationbuff : Not True.... A320's AI has lots of A320's (even though AI inherited them from IC, however, both the airlines were state owned) A310 June 22, 1984 htt
28 AirNZ : There is equally "no factual basis" for such a definitive disbelief either!
29 Asiaflyer : The best performing SIN to US route at moment is probably SIN-ICN-SFO. Since SQ started codeshare with AI, it often has very good laods.
30 Airbazar : But that is only a short term event due to the current global economic crisis. It's no different than what we saw during the SARS outbreak. The econo
31 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : Their 11th on its way up Garonne: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scalino/3400888673/ Looks like at least this one will be delivered according to plan, u
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