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Delta Ends LAX-GDL  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Seems to have gone unnoticed, but this month Delta discounted what was basically the last of the core ex-WA non-beach Mexico routes LAX-GDL.

Definitely sad.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2952 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Sad, but not surprising.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2952 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6779 times:

Now is GDL under the bilateral that limits the market to two Mexican and two US carriers? If so, any idea who might apply?

User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6650 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Seems to have gone unnoticed, but this month Delta discounted what was basically the last of the core ex-WA non-beach Mexico routes LAX-GDL.

It is only a suspension for April, May. It comes back in June.


User currently offlinePitintl From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

Frankly, I'm glad for the suspension. This means more market share on that route for Alaska Airlines. The LA-Mexico markets are a core base of what the LA hub is to Alaska, so this would only help that. I think Delta should simply codeshare on the route instead of flying their own metal. Just my two cents.


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User currently offlineDLflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 442 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6581 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 7):
It is only a suspension for April, May. It comes back in June.

You beat me to it! No biggie but for some i guess it is!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6526 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Now is GDL under the bilateral that limits the market to two Mexican and two US carriers? If so, any idea who might apply?

No 3 carriers are allowed on each side for the GDL route as part of the relaxed bilateral from a couple years back.

This leaves Alaska on the US side, with AeroMexico, Mexicana and maybe soon Volaris being the 3 Mexican players.

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 7):
It is only a suspension for April, May. It comes back in June.

 checkmark  Yes I see. Looks like 4x weekly.

Still kinda strange they cant keep what is one of the denser US-Mexico markets running regularly. I believe WA had 3x daily back when.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6242 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 3):
It is only a suspension for April, May. It comes back in June.

That's what I thought

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
No 3 carriers are allowed on each side for the GDL route as part of the relaxed bilateral from a couple years back.

This leaves Alaska on the US side, with AeroMexico, Mexicana and maybe soon Volaris being the 3 Mexican players.

When DL comes back, there's still room for one more, UA could be a player, but they've never shown any interest in GDL.....CO could do it someday, with an ERJ of course


User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6002 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
Yes I see. Looks like 4x weekly.

Yes, it's going to be 4x week until June 13 that it will become daily.

Best Regards,


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Can anyone provide the AS load factors for this route?

User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5628 times:



Quoting AAce24 (Reply 9):
Can anyone provide the AS load factors for this route?

2008:
LAX-GDL
Jan - 66%
Feb - 55%
Mar - 76%
Apr - 80%
May - 85%
Jun - 85%
Jul - 85%
Aug - 87%
Sep - 87% (latest month with data available)

GDL-LAX
Jan - 81%
Feb - 71%
Mar - 74%
Apr - 80%
May - 82%
Jun - 80%
Jul - 87%
Aug - 92%
Sep - 81% (latest month with data available)


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

GDL<>S. California is a big, cheap market that the Mexican carriers dominate. On top of that the market to Mexican non-beach destinations has tanked, so it's no surprise that DL is pulling it down.


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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5332 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 10):

Thanks for posting that, Jkundall.

The summer months were pretty impressive.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

LAX is my home airport and I had absolutely no idea DL even flew to GDL...


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User currently offlineDc10s2hnl From New Zealand, joined Aug 2006, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

AA also flew the route for many years... I wonder how bad it must of been to pull it when the economy was quite good about 10 years ago.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
LAX is my home airport and I had absolutely no idea DL even flew to GDL...

Ex Western route since 1978. Was up to 3x daily, sometimes even with the DC-10 during the holidays!

But yes in general, I agree people dont have much awareness of what Delta does or does not do in Los Angeles including the even travel professional community.
Quoting Dc10s2hnl (Reply 14):
AA also flew the route for many years... I wonder how bad it must of been to pull it when the economy was quite good about 10 years ago.

AA seemingly was never too interested in it (nor LAX-LatAm at the time) and let the market slip away.

But by stepping aside, Alaska happily picked up the route.

[Edited 2009-03-28 12:10:29]


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4843 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
But yes in general, I agree people dont have much awareness of what Delta does or does not do in Los Angeles including the even travel professional community.

I think Delta has done a somewhat poor job of marketing their service from LAX.

Maybe the new SYD service will help with that.


User currently offlineDLflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 442 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4485 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
I agree people dont have much awareness of what Delta does or does not do in Los Angeles including the even travel professional community.

That's a big surprise! id have to dissagree on that one.Everyone ive talked to just in general knows of our LAX-GDL flt for years as you said.


User currently offlineTHEGRINCH From Mexico, joined May 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Yes, sad that GDL is losing temporarily LAX service, but AM will up it's LAX services during the DL absence. Checking, once it comes back some days the route will be flying with 757's! It's just AM and DL adjusting routes to what's best during hard times.

At least we will still have the DL mad dogs coming in from ATL.



Victor Garciamontes-AIM GDL
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 3831 times:



Quoting DLflynhayn (Reply 17):
id have to dissagree on that one.Everyone ive talked to just in general knows of our LAX-GDL flt for years

Sure each to his own. Off course it helps you are a DL aficionado, unlike the typical John Doe.

Personally I feel Delta has done a piss poor job here in the Southland the last 10 or so years. They have done a great job eliminating the travel agent community, and refused to work with Hispanic consolidators that very much control the market headed South until it was too late.

Off course, don't take my word for it. Both AC Nielsen and Arbitron media market surveys show Delta has one of the lowest brand recognitions of major airlines in the SoCal media market. Even multiple foreign carriers have higher market brand awareness and perception scores.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3546 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
I agree people dont have much awareness of what Delta does or does not do in Los Angeles including the even travel professional community.

If anyone in the "travel professional community" doesn't know what Delta does or doesn't do then they really shouldn't call themselves 'professionals'.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Off course, don't take my word for it. Both AC Nielsen and Arbitron media market surveys show Delta has one of the lowest brand recognitions of major airlines in the SoCal media market.

I have lived in SoCal for nearly all my life and have never met anyone that hasn't heard of Delta Airlines... LOL. You are really putting a spin on that one.


User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3334 times:



Quoting Dc10s2hnl (Reply 14):
AA also flew the route for many years... I wonder how bad it must of been to pull it when the economy was quite good about 10 years ago.

Yields are very poor


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3203 times:



Quoting Klkla (Reply 20):
If anyone in the "travel professional community" doesn't know what Delta does or doesn't do then they really shouldn't call themselves 'professionals'.

Not when DL comes in out of markets month to month.

Besides ATL, I'm not sure one can really 100% count on them for any city.

Quoting Klkla (Reply 20):
I have lived in SoCal for nearly all my life and have never met anyone that hasn't heard of Delta Airlines... LOL. You are really putting a spin on that one.

Not spin at all.

For October'08 branding market penetration Delta scored a 1.8(out of ten). In comparison the top airline was Southwest with 8.2 in the Los Angeles media market. Anything under 3.0 is considered 'poor'.

What this basically states is not that people don't know or have heard of Delta perse, but their brand awareness, or being at the forefront of peoples minds is very low in the market. So people wont seek out, or remember to look for Delta.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5374 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Besides ATL, I'm not sure one can really 100% count on them for any city.

Come now, when was the last time that DL was "in and out" of LAX-CVG, SLC, or JFK. The hub routes have never been unreliable. IMHO, you really do exaggerate what DL does at LAX at times.

[Edited 2009-03-29 14:38:03]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3168 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Besides ATL, I'm not sure one can really 100% count on them for any city.

not sure about all that, but when it comes to LA DL has done a pretty piss poor job.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
What this basically states is not that people don't know or have heard of Delta perse, but their brand awareness, or being at the forefront of peoples minds is very low in the market. So people wont seek out, or remember to look for Delta.

But DL can change this. All it takes is better marketing and time. This is what killed it last time. Fuel jumped up and they had planes that they couldn't make money on. My hope is DL will base some 737s out there the next time they make a go at it. Plus I think if DL adds more TPAC flights that will help. Look at JFK. That is how I see LAX ending up.



yep.
25 LAXintl : JFK is a great example. In Delta 2003-04 really got into gear and worked hard in securing SoCal corporate and premium traffic destined to Europe over
26 Davescj : I wonder if LAX -- GDL could be an effective codeshare with AS? I know DL has talked about expanding the partnership, and this might be an effective w
27 EXAAUADL : springbreakers to GDL???? It is mostly a VFR market
28 Mayor : Could the suspension have anything to do with the unrest in Mexico at this time?
29 LAXintl : 3-month hiatus on the 2nd busiest US-Mexico city pair.
30 MaverickM11 : Yeah that doesn't really bode well, although DL did appear to have the highest load factor in the market. Fares must have been really bad, even if it
31 Mayor : Looks like 2 months, to me.
32 LAXintl : Route ended night of March 1/2, returning May31/June1 per delta.com So lets see. March - month 1 April - month 2 May - month 3 Yes, that would make n
33 Mayor : My mistake. I should have checked the schedule instead of going by what other posters said. BTW, how much are they really losing during this suspensi
34 DLflynhayn : I WON'T!! But i do think these route planners in ATL or wherever they are need to stop making these same mistakes by should i say limiting this GDL r
35 FlyASAGuy2005 : Keep GDL, something else most likely would have to get shored back for a time. And then of course all will get to complain about that route as well. W
36 77411 : It shows. I haven't heard an advertisement on radio, TV, or seen billboards since the "we love to fly and it shows" days. All I have seen is the DELT
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