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User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1977 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5829 times:
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Seat Guru says 32-33" inches. Where are the 33" seats located. Front or back?


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Technically it is 32.5 inches for -300 and -500 and 32.7 for -700's on all seats in the cabin with exception to the exit row seats and bulkhead at 36 inches I think.

If you wanna be technical hahaha

Alex



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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

Southwest isn't like jetBlue where some seats have different pitches from others... on WN I believe that every row, with the exceptions of the exit rows and bulkheads, are spaced the same. SeatGuru is just covering the differences from the older and newer aircraft.

User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5753 times:
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Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
Technically it is 32.5 inches for -300 and -500 and 32.7 for -700's on all seats in the cabin

Ok, but I'm going to bring a tape measure with me and if its 32.4 on the -300/500 and 32.6 on the 700, your in trouble  Big grin



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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5736 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
Technically it is 32.5 inches for -300 and -500 and 32.7 for -700's on all seats in the cabin

How that could be? Aren't seat track holes pitched by 1"?


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 3):

Ok, but I'm going to bring a tape measure with me and if its 32.4 on the -300/500 and 32.6 on the 700, your in trouble

I said technically....Don't shoot me!  rotfl 

It used to be posted on Southwest.com but I don't see it anymore, and it had an exact pitch of what I posted before.

I do know it has changed a bit when WN was reducing the recline by one inch, or somewhere around that, which is why you have a balance between 32 and 33 inches.

By all purposes it is easier to say 33 inches of pitch, which is quite generous and I think is only matched by Frontier Airlines, when discussing one full class in the entire cabin (which would exclude B6)

Quoting EYKD (Reply 4):

How that could be? Aren't seat track holes pitched by 1"?

Most are which is why you read 32-33 inches, because the actual seat pitch is really between 32 and 33 inches.

Alex

[Edited 2009-03-28 10:57:54]


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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5592 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):


Quoting EYKD,reply=4:

How that could be? Aren't seat track holes pitched by 1"?

Most are which is why you read 32-33 inches, because the actual seat pitch is really between 32 and 33 inches.

Sorry, I still don't understand what do you mean under "technically" and "actual seat pitch".

The seat pitch is the distance between a point on one seat and the same point on the seat in front of it. To avoid confusion by making measurements from movable and/or soft parts, I normally measure seat pitch between front studs. This will always make seat pitch an integer value (31", 32", 33" etc.).

Non-integer value of seat pitch is only possible in very rare case when the seat is installed onto seat track via adapter.

Or, if it is a legacy Russian made plane, like Ilyushin-96, where seat track holes are pitched at 30mm (1.18").


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5531 times:



Quoting EYKD (Reply 6):


Sorry, I still don't understand what do you mean under "technically" and "actual seat pitch".

Maybe diff usage of words I dont know.

By technically, it is the same as actual seat pitch. I used them both for the same meaning.

When I responded to him, 32-33 is the actual seat pitch based on seatguru.com among others.

Technically it is, what I typed above, which is the ACTUAL seat pitch.

The way WN designed it was to make the back end of the seat curve inward like other airlines do, which enhances the seat pitch feel but still keeps it at the same amount.

But off southwest.com which isn't there anymore it was a random number of measurment and not exactly 32 OR 33 inches.

Alex



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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5493 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 7):
The way WN designed it was to make the back end of the seat curve inward like other airlines do, which enhances the seat pitch feel but still keeps it at the same amount.

From what I've read, I may assume that you mistake "seat pitch" with "legroom".

The seat pitch is stated as 32"-33" because it is not constant throughout the cabin. In some areas it is 32" while in others it is 33", or the seat pitch is different on left and right sides of the cabin due to installed monuments (closets, windscreens, galleys and lavs).


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

No I know the difference.

Legroom is the room in front of your legs and seat pitch is as you have been mentioning it.

WN's seat pitch is around 32-33 inches but it has been mentioned it is specific to the aircraft types also, -300/-500 and just a bit bigger on the -700's.

Alex



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

On a side note dealing with WN seats... does anyone know the company that makes the seats or what the type of seat is called? I heard somewhere that WN seats were the "executive" series, but can't verify...


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineCF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 1053 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5181 times:



Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 10):
On a side note dealing with WN seats... does anyone know the company that makes the seats or what the type of seat is called? I heard somewhere that WN seats were the "executive" series, but can't verify...

I believe the seats were designed by Jepson Burns, who has been bought up by BE Aerospace.

I always thought their seat was a good one - they are not hard as a rock the way some economy seats are these days.


User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 7):
The way WN designed it was to make the back end of the seat curve inward like other airlines do, which enhances the seat pitch feel but still keeps it at the same amount.

So, your saying that the seat pitch isn't exactly 32 or 33 inches because the seat curves in and that gives it a few tenths extra? Do I understand this right?

If this is the case, I also feel that you are mistaking seat pitch with something else. Seat pitch is the distance between a certain point on one chair and the same point on the chair behind it - usually seat back to seat back. Because the tracks are in 1 inch increments you are always going to end up with "full" inches. It doesn't matter if a seat curves in, because it's being measured from the curved in spot on the seat in front of it too.

[Edited 2009-03-28 19:50:32]


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
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It's a mixed bag - here is a rough breakdown:
-300 L/H side 32 in - 42 @ emergency exit.
R/H side 33 inch fwd of exit - 32 inch aft.

-500 varies between 31 and 32 on both sides with 5 last R/H rows having 33.

-700 is pretty much like the -300 except L/H emergency is 44 inch.

Seat tracks are in 1 inch increments.


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4368 times:
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I believe that WN interchanges airplanes and you don't know what kind you'll get. So as soon as you board is there a way to tell which plane your on?


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4267 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 14):
I believe that WN interchanges airplanes and you don't know what kind you'll get. So as soon as you board is there a way to tell which plane your on?

Usually as soon as you get on board turn to the right you will face a wall with a Southwest logo. It will have a welcome aboard, you the Customers etc etc, and it will have a registration as well.

If it is N3 or N6XX it is a -300.
N2, N4, N7 and N9 are -700's
and N5XX are -500's.

All -700's arm rest have a curved leather arm rest while the -300/500 typically have a the straight stunted metal arm rest. There are few -300's that have a -700 interior but that is rare.

Also looking out the wing, all -700's have a red canoe thing under the wing, the -300, -500 does not.

The biggest thing is to look at the registration.

Alex



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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4176 times:



Quoting JerseyGuy (Reply 14):
I believe that WN interchanges airplanes and you don't know what kind you'll get. So as soon as you board is there a way to tell which plane your on?

Take a look on the main cabin ceiling: You'll know for sure if it is -300/-500 or -700. Ceiling on 737NG is remarkably different from one on 737 Classic.

To distinguish -300 from -500 pay your attention to forward right-hand monument in the cabin. Seat Guru shows a small closet there installed on -300, while it is just a windscreen on -500.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4144 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 9):
Legroom is the room in front of your legs and seat pitch is as you have been mentioning it.

Which is why your explanation makes no sense, and it's why people question if you know what pitch means.

Unless WN is installing some non-standard holes in the track, the pitch MUST be 32" or 33" not 32.5 or 32.7. Now the AVERAGE for the cabin could be those numbers, but that would still mean some rows are 32, some are 33, etc.



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User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4072 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 15):

If it is N3 or N6XX it is a -300.
N2, N4, N7 and N9 are -700's
and N5XX are -500's.

I hate to get picky on you Alex but you forgot the two exceptions to the rule...

N550WN and
N551WN

are 737-76Q's  Wink


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3156 times:



Quoting Skoker (Reply 18):

I hate to get picky on you Alex but you forgot the two exceptions to the rule...

N550WN and
N551WN

are 737-76Q's

I didn't forget! I left those out because I didn't want to confuse him more. And last I saw on the MX sheet both were out of service getting fixed but they could be back in service already.

I flew N550 actually awhile back.

Alex



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Ok I give up, edit won't work for me.

Awhile back, WN had on their website, the specifics of it being 32.4 for -300/-500 and 32.7 for -700's. This was off southwest.com under the "FACTS" button. It seems after checking immense amount of times they took this information off.

I KNOW what I saw and I hate to pull the "I worked there" card but I did, and this was discussed too and I also heard the same measurement when I worked at SWA.

Could this have changed? Absolutely and I would not deny that it possibly could have changed, especially when they were re doing the new interior.

I DO know the difference between seat pitch (the amount of space between the seats from front to back) and leg room.

I am also adding, that along with the seat pitch, though 32-33 may seem big, it is added to be bigger due to the way the seat is set up and how the back end is curved a bit to provide more LEG ROOM (not seat pitch), which may throw people off going wow it seems the seat is bigger than it says "online"

NOW is everyone on the same page with me?!  Silly

Alex



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User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

So, maybe, to get the 32.7" or 32.4" (whatever number) that was on the SWA website they took the individual seat pitch from each row (these numbers would be full inches of course), added those numbers together and divided it by the number of rows - resulting in numbers with 10ths of inches? That's the only possible way I can imagine SWA could come up with a number that doesn't have a "full inch" in it.

So the actual seat pitch, depending on what row you're sitting in would be 32, 33 or 36 (bulkhead/exit rows), and the average of all the rows would be 32.(something).



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User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 20):

I DO know the difference between seat pitch (the amount of space between the seats from front to back) and leg room.

NOW is everyone on the same page with me?!


Nope, not everyone. No luck again. Seat pitch is not measured from front to back. It is measured either from front to front or from back to back.

Hope this picture will put the end to this discussion.



(Original found here)


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2864 times:



Quoting EYKD (Reply 22):

Nope, not everyone. No luck again. Seat pitch is not measured from front to back. It is measured either from front to front or from back to back.

 banghead 

Ok, play on words again. What you showed me is EXACTLY what I had in mind.

My "front" is what your back is apparantly. Since we as a passenger are facing the BACK end of the seat in FRONT of us, is where I got the word, from the FRONT of the back seat, to the back of the seat you are sitting in. That was how I always viewed seat pitch.

If the correct term is to use Back to Back then I apologize, I just always had said it is measured from the back end of your seat to the front end of the seat in front of you, which is how the picture is portrayed to me.

I knew we both were thinking the same thing from the start it just seemed different wordings on mine and your part, that's all.

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 21):

That is possible and could be correct, I didn't work in that exact area so I wouldn't know.

Alex



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2849 times:



Quoting EYKD (Reply 22):

Nope, not everyone. No luck again. Seat pitch is not measured from front to back. It is measured either from front to front or from back to back.

Specifically, it is measured from any given point on one seat to the same point on the seat in front of or in back of it. You could use a point 2" behind the front end of the armrest if you wanted. But you have to use that same point on the seat in front or in back.


User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2697 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 23):
Ok, play on words again. What you showed me is EXACTLY what I had in mind.

Sorry for making you bang your head against the wall, honestly, this was the last thing I wanted to do.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 24):
Specifically, it is measured from any given point on one seat to the same point on the seat in front of or in back of it.

Exactly. Now I've got much better picture to illustrate this:



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