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User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

I have taken a recent liking to the 767, and I got to thinking. I think US only has 10 or so 767-200ER left, but how are they working out for US? What routes do they use the 200ER on, out of CLT? out of PHL?

American has a few 767-200 that do JFK-MIA-LAX in some sort of combination cycle (per another thread), but how many airlines still opperate 200's and 200ERs?


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User currently offlineRafflesking From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6126 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Thread starter):
What routes do they use the 200ER on, out of CLT? out of PHL?

US uses the routes on their longer intl routes, mostly from PHL. The recently announced service to Brazil from CLT will operate via a 762 though.

Quoting Packcheer (Thread starter):
how many airlines still opperate 200's and 200ERs?

Within the US, DL retired their fleet of 200s a few years ago, but CO has some new builds (from this decade I believe) that they use on thinner international routes. I've flown them in recent years from EWR to BRU, GVA and MXP.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6088 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Thread starter):
American has a few 767-200 that do JFK-MIA-LAX in some sort of combination cycle (per another thread), but how many airlines still opperate 200's and 200ERs?

I know CO operates 10 762ERs for international service from EWR and IAH. Also, AeroMexico operates 3 -ERs. Those are all I can think of at the moment.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

CLT-SJU
and beginning later this month:
CLT-CDG

I was lucky to ride one CLT-MCO last week, but the scheduled equipment was a 752.
At one point there was a regular LAX-CLT 762.

But, the US 762s are old, that is for sure. The seats have all been recovered in blue leather, but the old Boeing overheads give it away that this plane has been around the block.

[Edited 2009-03-29 12:38:44]

User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

AV still operates the 762 not for long though since they are replacing them with A330's

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5316 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Thread starter):

American has a few 767-200 that do JFK-MIA-LAX in some sort of combination cycle (per another thread), but how many airlines still opperate 200's and 200ERs?

AA's 762ER fleet is by no means small -- they still have 15 frames in service and no confirmed retirement dates for them, no?

Coming to think of it, barring cargo carrier ABX, does any airline operate more 762s than AA?

Best regards,

ZXV



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Curious, the Continental's 767-200ERs are relatively new-- are they the same as the original 767-200ER line such as those bought by UA, DL, AA, or are they upgraded to reflect the advances over time such as on the 767-400s?

Also, the -300 models come with a range of options in terms of the exit configurations; is the same true on the -200 versions or are they uniformly 4 door + 2 window exits? I remember some charter airlines used to have extra exits at some point.


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Another somewhat tangential question, while we are on the topic of 767s...
I know that the 767 doors slide upward into the fuselage, but still have not been able to figure out how. Does the ceiling retract to create space or do they slide up behind/above the ceiling?
Any pics or diagrams would be particularly helpful.
Thanks.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4974 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4886 times:
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Quoting TheGMan (Reply 3):
But, the US 762s are old, that is for sure.

Aren't a good number of them inherited from good ol' Piedmont? The PI 762s were first delivered in 1987, IIRC...


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

In recent months, reading by trip reports and reviews of US Airways' long haul services, many people seem to really like the newly refurbished 767-200's. They have the new Envoy seats, leather seats in economy and plasma screens in economy (which is a major improvement over the old projection screens).

It may not be quite as good as the XM program Air Canada have done on the 763's, but is a major improvement to what previously looked a very tired and worn out aircraft.

The longest route, currently flown by the 762's for US Airways is PHL-ATH. I have read these are some of the older 767-200ER versions and do not have the range or MTOW of newer versions, so this particular route is stretching the aircrafts range.

Some have even commented they would prefer them over the A330-300's, especially since these have been refurbished and reconfigured... The A330's were previously renowned for having a seat pitch of about 34 inches and when the aircraft were refurbished they reduced this to 30-31inches. Where previously the IFE boxes under the seats was not a problem due to the generous pitch, many passengers complaining the seats are so uncomfortable now and the reduced seat pitch is crippling on an 8hr flight.

Quoting Rafflesking (Reply 1):
US uses the routes on their longer intl routes, mostly from PHL. The recently announced service to Brazil from CLT will operate via a 762 though.

From what I understand this flight will be operated by a PHL based 762 and CLT is just a stop en-route to pick up further passengers.


User currently offlineRafflesKing From Singapore, joined Mar 2007, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
From what I understand this flight will be operated by a PHL based 762 and CLT is just a stop en-route to pick up further passengers.

Almost. The oubound flight from the US will operate with a 762 both legs (PHL-CLT-GIG), but the return CLT-PHL leg will be aboard a A320. I'm not sure where the 762 will head next, given the arrival from South America will be in the early morning.

Quoting AT (Reply 6):
are they the same as the original 767-200ER line such as those bought by UA, DL, AA, or are they upgraded to reflect the advances over time such as on the 767-400s?

They do reflect the advancements. Specific to pax, they have the upgraded overhead bins and PTVs.

[Edited 2009-03-30 12:30:45]

User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4763 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
The A330's were previously renowned for having a seat pitch of about 34 inches and when the aircraft were refurbished they reduced this to 30-31inches. Where previously the IFE boxes under the seats was not a problem due to the generous pitch, many passengers complaining the seats are so uncomfortable now and the reduced seat pitch is crippling on an 8hr flight.

31 inches should be fine if they had slimline seats and newer IFE. But they don't. Maybe when their new A332s come online, they will make effort to upgrade the old A330s to a newer better standard.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4712 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
31 inches should be fine if they had slimline seats and newer IFE. But they don't. Maybe when their new A332s come online, they will make effort to upgrade the old A330s to a newer better standard.

US has already announced that they plan on installing newer slimline seats (same as the 332) over the next few years.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4638 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 12):
US has already announced that they plan on installing newer slimline seats (same as the 332) over the next few years.

Really...I didn't know...do you have a link..



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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1076 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4570 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
31 inches should be fine if they had slimline seats and newer IFE. But they don't. Maybe when their new A332s come online, they will make effort to upgrade the old A330s to a newer better standard.

Upgrades to the -300s are expected to begin late next year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...o-update-coach-seats-on-a330s.html



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User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Any AA 767/200 fans out there...If you like collectibles...will have some wing panels for sale on you know what from AA, N301AA, Americans very first 767...( am i allowed to say that on here?)

User currently offline767driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4506 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 7):
Another somewhat tangential question, while we are on the topic of 767s...
I know that the 767 doors slide upward into the fuselage, but still have not been able to figure out how. Does the ceiling retract to create space or do they slide up behind/above the ceiling?
Any pics or diagrams would be particularly helpful.
Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dijpw392JU0

does that help?


User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4477 times:



Quoting AT (Reply 6):
Curious, the Continental's 767-200ERs are relatively new-- are they the same as the original 767-200ER line such as those bought by UA, DL, AA, or are they upgraded to reflect the advances over time such as on the 767-400s?

I know for one they have the Boeing Signature interior with the tilting overhead bins like the T7 and 764 so basically you see no difference between a -200 and a -400, except for length, off course.

About US and their 762 operation: they switch BRU regularly between 752 and 762.


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

I flew the US 767 earlier this month:

CLT-STT!

Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
The PI 762s were first delivered in 1987, IIRC...

If I'm not mistaken, my plane was N***AY. Isn't that Piedmont?



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3053 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4309 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 12):
US has already announced that they plan on installing newer slimline seats (same as the 332) over the next few years.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but this is great news as when this happens... Might also mean an upgraded AVOD system in the seat backs too, as the current system is one of the earlier available systems.

In the link it says US Airways have 25 A330-200's on order (never knew it was this many), I assume a number of these maybe to replace the 767's in time, so the improvements to the 767's isn't a bad job considering they may only be in the fleet for next 2-4 yrs.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4200 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
In the link it says US Airways have 25 A330-200's on order (never knew it was this many)

Correct they have 25 A332s on order, have 9 A333s operating and they also have 18 A358 and 4 A359 on order.

5 A332s are being delivered this year. 2 will go on for TLV flight, the rest I'm not sure.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4059 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Quoting TheGMan (Reply 3):
But, the US 762s are old, that is for sure.

Aren't a good number of them inherited from good ol' Piedmont? The PI 762s were first delivered in 1987, IIRC...



Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 18):
Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
The PI 762s were first delivered in 1987, IIRC...

If I'm not mistaken, my plane was N***AY. Isn't that Piedmont?

All US 762ER registrations end in either AY or AU. The first 5 aircraft in the list below are ex-Piedmont, delivered 1987/88. They've had 2 previous registrations. The last 5 aircraft were ordered by US, delivered 1990/91 except the last one in 1993. They've had one previous registration. Previous registrations shown in parentheses.

N245AY (N603P, N645US)
N246AY (N604P, N646US)
N248AY (N606P, N648US)
N249AU (N614P, N649US)
N250AY (N617P, N650US)
N251AY (N651US)
N252AU (N652US)
N253AY (N653US)
N255AY (N655US)
N256AY (N656US)

One ex-Piedmont 762ER (originally N605P, then N647US) was sold to Transaero in Russia in 2003. Another of the later batch was written off in a maintenance-related fire at PHL in 2000. It was registered N654US at the time.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3957 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Aren't a good number of them inherited from good ol' Piedmont? The PI 762s were first delivered in 1987, IIRC...

Yes

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 9):
From what I understand this flight will be operated by a PHL based 762 and CLT is just a stop en-route to pick up further passengers.

I think all 762 crews are based in PHL

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
All US 762ER registrations end in either AY or AU. The first 5 aircraft in the list below are ex-Piedmont, delivered 1987/88. They've had 2 previous registrations. The last 5 aircraft were ordered by US, delivered 1990/91 except the last one in 1993. They've had one previous registration. Previous registrations shown in parentheses.

Any reason for the re-registrations?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3797 times:



Quoting TheGMan (Reply 22):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 21):
All US 762ER registrations end in either AY or AU. The first 5 aircraft in the list below are ex-Piedmont, delivered 1987/88. They've had 2 previous registrations. The last 5 aircraft were ordered by US, delivered 1990/91 except the last one in 1993. They've had one previous registration. Previous registrations shown in parentheses.

Any reason for the re-registrations?

Looks like the first re-registration was to put all the 762s into a sequential group of registrations since there were gaps in the Piedmont registrations. Re the more recent re-registations, I'm guessing that was related to the HP/US merger, again probably to avoid some confusion with similar HP registrations for different aircraft types.


User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1076 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3749 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 23):
Re the more recent re-registations, I'm guessing that was related to the HP/US merger, again probably to avoid some confusion with similar HP registrations for different aircraft types.

Correct, the West A320s are in the 600-range.



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25 LipeGIG : Correct, and considering DL and AA does not dispute the DOT's allocation, US probably can now work to begin PHL-CLT-GIG service by the end of 2009. T
26 USAirALB : Well, what could DL/AA do to alter DOT's decision?
27 LipeGIG : They could not alter in my view, but they could delay DOT's final decision. By the way, US filled today a letter where they " urges the Department to
28 Aerorobnz : I can recommend the AV 762s. I flew on the LAX-BOG-LAX sectors
29 AustrianZRH : US flies their 762 also on the PHL-ZRH route.
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