MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31115 posts, RR: 74 Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7804 times:
Surprise, surprise.
The new third daily BOS-LHR flight on AA, which has been speculated was solely being added temporarily as a slot holder for the summer, will be discontinued on August 24th.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7766 times:
And who will be the lucky city to get that slot? MIA? (fingers crossed)...
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7666 times:
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7585 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter): The new third daily BOS-LHR flight on AA, which has been speculated was solely being added temporarily as a slot holder for the summer, will be discontinued on August 24th.
Slots at LHR can be hold for sometime without being used ?
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Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7546 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2): Possibly a market that can't support a 763, but can support a new 75L. IND maybe? What about STL?
Oh Buddy wouldn't that be awesome for STL?! haha.
I am not holding my breath though on that!
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7536 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2): Possibly a market that can't support a 763, but can support a new 75L. IND maybe? What about STL?
August is not an ideal time to open a new city. When/if AA starts using 75Ls to LHR, I imagine the following cities would be candidates (not necessarily an exhaustive list):
DTW (former BA city)
IND
CMH
BDL
If AA could somehow get ~300 nm extra range out of the 75Ls, BNA and STL would also be strong candidates. I don't think AA will be able to do that, however.
Of course, if AA and BA get ATI, and even if they do not, we may also see some frequencies to existing AA or BA cities changed to 75Ls (BWI comes to mind, and select frequencies from the likes of BOS might also be candidates); a JFK-LHR or ORD-LHR might be necessary to position 75Ls for other LHR flights.
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Elmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4): Slots at LHR can be hold for sometime without being used ?
It's "use it or lose it." There have been some pretty wasteful examples of carriers filling Heathrow slots - Flightline ran a daily BAe-146 LHR-MAN for Qantas while the latter figured out what to do with the 4th slot (it eventually became Heathrow - Hong Kong - Sydney).
ThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2273 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
August is not an ideal time to open a new city. When/if AA starts using 75Ls to LHR, I imagine the following cities would be candidates (not necessarily an exhaustive list):
DTW (former BA city)
IND
CMH
BDL
Not a chance.... DTW?....it's AA,
IND, CMH, even BDL can't support a flight to LHR even on a 75L...
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7217 times:
Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 8): IND, CMH, even BDL can't support a flight to LHR even on a 75L...
AJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 708 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7085 times:
I believe BOS-LHR #3 was always intended to be summer seasonal only. It is the slot that had been used for LAX-LHR #2 in the past.
Hopefully next year they will use it for LAX or MIA.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4721 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6899 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4): Slots at LHR can be hold for sometime without being used ?
If I have read the CAA and ACL rules correctly, basically 80% of the peak summer slots must be used to hold the slot for the next season. AA will comply with that requirement for the summer slots. If it was to be a seasonal flight, AA doesn't care about winter slots, which in any case aren't as hard as summer slots to obtain.
Panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6846 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12): so AA can simply transfer four weekly slot pairs to MIA and make MIA-LHR 2x daily.
It would be smart. I can't believe that it's taken this long to get the service up to 2x daily. It would do well with 3x during peak times, really - but 2x is a start.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8264 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6825 times:
Quoting Panam330 (Reply 13): It would be smart. I can't believe that it's taken this long to get the service up to 2x daily. It would do well with 3x during peak times, really - but 2x is a start.
I think AA/BA/IB/AY/RJ are hoping that ATI is approved by Fall and will begin code-sharing. BA will most likely handle LHR-BOS and AA/BA will offer enough seats on MIA-LHR with 2 772s and 2 744s on the route daily.
Davescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6576 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9): The BA 763 was too much airplane, but after ATI, again, why not? It's clearly a city that saw SOME demand for non-NW service to LHR.
But remember, the flight continued onto IAH. That was because IAH was serviced on 2x day 777 via LGW. Since, the 767 LHR-DTW-IAH has been discontinued, and become 2x day 744 LHR -- IAH.
The other reason I don't see DTW -- LHR on AA is that NW has the market so saturated. It would make more sense for AA to play to its own strengths. For example, another flight out of MIA, San Juan (which BA does have), or something similar.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7342 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5736 times:
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2): Possibly a market that can't support a 763, but can support a new 75L. IND maybe? What about STL
AA currently has 3 767 to LHR from Boston daily, they used to have 2 777. A 757 is TOO little airplane. Using a 757 to LHR from Boston is a BAD business decision unless it was operated by say an Open Skies type configured 757 with Club and Premuim economy( I am only using Open Skies as a comparison, Open Skies would not operate to LHR).
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5711 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6): August is not an ideal time to open a new city. When/if AA starts using 75Ls to LHR, I imagine the following cities would be candidates (not necessarily an exhaustive list):
DTW (former BA city)
IND
CMH
BDL
AA unlike DL/NW has shown no interest in flying markets like this. Until AA/BA has a JV, these make absolutely no sense. An AA/BA JV would probably add STL and DTW first.
PS I bet BOS-LHR #3 was never suppose to be year round. Given AA is short on wide bodies this shell is better used in south america during the winter.
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5352 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12): Most likely. It will already operate 10x weekly next season, so AA can simply transfer four weekly slot pairs to MIA and make MIA-LHR 2x daily.
Why is it that MIA-LHR is bot 2 x daily on AA. A lot of people on these forums think that there is a such a big need for a 2nd daily flight, why hasn't AA just added it?
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17): PS I bet BOS-LHR #3 was never suppose to be year round. Given AA is short on wide bodies this shell is better used in south america during the winter.
It wasn't meant to be year round. The title of this thread is a bit misleading.
Divemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5223 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 18):
Why is it that MIA-LHR is bot 2 x daily on AA. A lot of people on these forums think that there is a such a big need for a 2nd daily flight, why hasn't AA just added it?
Be patient
AA like to think about a route, then think again, and then once more before commiting to the route. Its just taking time.
With VA, BA and AA there are already 4x daily into MIA for LHR so AA are waiting for the numbers to come right and then it will be launched.
Also now that AA have moved their flight up to a 5pm (or 6pm) departure, it has caused a lot of woes down in the Caribbean as we cant connect from our lunchtime flights anymore! I need to head up in the morning now and then spend the whole day in MIA if i want to get it and im sure that a lot of the Carib islands and also Central American countries flights have the same problem. Bad connection times!
Hopefully AA will launch a new flight that leaves later on in the evening to solve this problem!
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4905 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 15): But remember, the flight continued onto IAH.
...as did 294/295 (one of the ORD services) at one time. That speaks more to which flights had empty seats than to the performance of the flights.
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17): AA unlike DL/NW has shown no interest in flying markets like this.
RDU-LHR? If there's the right combination of money, demand, and the right aircraft (something AA has lacked), they are willing.
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Elmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1515 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4807 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17): PS I bet BOS-LHR #3 was never suppose to be year round. Given AA is short on wide bodies this shell is better used in south america during the winter.
It wasn't going to be used year round. It's a placeholder for the summer. I suspect a second Miami-Heathrow frequency might magically appear in November.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4732 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20): RDU-LHR? If there's the right combination of money, demand, and the right aircraft (something AA has lacked), they are willing.
1. That is left over from the hub days at RDU
2. RDU has strong AA loyalty unlike PIT which has no DL loyalty
3. There is a company in RDU that helps the flight work
AA would fail on a PIT-LHR or BDL-LHR without beyond LHR connection
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21217 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4686 times:
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 22): AA would fail on a PIT-LHR or BDL-LHR without beyond LHR connection
...which is why ATI is so important. Most of the cities we're talking about can support (and will subsidize) a single TATL flight. For those cities that don't have one when ATI occurs, there's no reason AA shouldn't be the carrier providing it. Most US cities see stronger local demand to London than to any other European gateway.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
It is important to note that LHR has different summer and winter slot allocations.
AA has a total of 250 summer slots, but only 212 winter slots.
The third BOS-LHR was always intended to be a summer-only flight, simply taking the place of the (cancelled) second daily LAX-LHR flight, which also was summer only. AA does not have the slots to run it in the winter (and probably would not want to).
Next summer the third BOS-LHR may be back, or they may use the summer slots on another route. Nothing will be added for the winter unless they buy more winter slots or make further reductions/cancellations to existing LHR routes. All 212 winter slots are allocated to flights already in the schedules.
Ryan / HKG
25 Rafflesking: Wow....so AA runs ~35 summer daily flights to only 7 US cities? Am I missing something? Slots vs. slot pairs, perhaps? BOS ORD DFW LAX MIA JFK RDU[Ed
26 MAH4546: In case you forget, Heathrow is heavily slot restricted. It is not only an issue about slots, but also an issue about slots at the appropriate times
27 B752OS: Thanks for the answer. Maintaining ORD and JFK frequencies is more important than adding an additional MIA flight.
28 Yellowtail: Not me..makes my connection from my 11:15 AA flight from BZE much more seamless.....also makes more transfer destinations at LHR available (like NBO)
29 DLMD90: August is not an ideal time to open a new city. When/if AA starts using 75Ls to LHR, I imagine the following cities would be candidates (not necessari
30 LAXdude1023: Correct me if Im wrong but I think it has to do with seasonality. As its been pointed out, AA has more LHR summer slots than winter ones. MIA is diff
31 Humberside: Only for a few weeks in a season. I think slots have to be used 80% of the time
32 DFWEagle: Two slots are required for each flight because one is needed to land and another to takeoff again. With 250 weekly slots, AA can operate 125 weekly f
33 Njdevilsin03: FLL please haha. It can support a 757.
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