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Australian Aviation Thread 26  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2192 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20136 times:

Now that Australian Aviation Thread Number 25 is over 200 replies and yours truly is back from holidays I guess it's time to start Thread 26.

We discussed:

* QF Dash8-400 scheduled MEL-LST
* JQ fleet and destination developments - focus on Japan
* JQ crew bases
* Flights to Pacific destinations
* Prospects for rail links to Melbourne airports
* Linfox want to further develop AVV
* DJ to DPS and further?
* QF cancellations
* And more the I missed... sorry!

In reference to the JQ focus on Japan, I noticed plenty of Japanese flying SYD-CNS-NRT and NRT-OOL on my flights, so maybe it is working for them. Flight back was a little empty though.


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User currently offlineAussieindc From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20087 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 207):
http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...s-with-contempt-20090330-9g3v.html

Qantas workers have staged a stop work at Sydney domestic & international as well as Brisbane domestic over sewcurity fears.

Can't blame them - considering the CCTV wasn'ty working and didn't capture any of the bikie brawl/beating.

I was wondering as to why the QF107 & QF11 were heavily delayed out of SYD on 30MAR. This could explain it.

I also see that the QF108 was delayed considerably out of JFK last night 29MAR. Any word on this one?

Cheers,
Aussieindc


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20061 times:

from previous thread....
there is NO way JQ will have it's hub in the middle east.
there is simply too much traffic between australian and asia, and also asia to europe to give up.

my money is on SIN, due to 3K network feed, or perhaps BKK.

SIN would allow pax from both Europe and Australia to connect to points in Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia etc.

why would they bother via AUH or DXB, and compete head on with those home carriers?


User currently offlineLOUMEL From Australia, joined May 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 20019 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
my money is on SIN, due to 3K network feed, or perhaps BKK.

I think that BKK or SGN would be a better option. SIN has it's own risks, SIN has just lost LX recently, and over the years AY, AZ, OS, SK, SN just to name a few, It experiencing the same slow drift of European airlines that Australia and NZ has. As a hub (it's an excellent airport with great facilities) but it's bit to much on the corner of Asia and I think JQ will have to be every bit as aware of the Europe to Asia traffic as much as Australia to Europe to make its European routes viable.

I think that BKK is better for prospective European traffic. SGN is an interesting one, Viet Nam offers everything Thailand does, a large migrant population, and an airline that is currently aiming at only servicing Frankfurt, Paris and Moscow in Europe....in short 'lower hanging fruit'.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5761 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 19974 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
from previous thread....
there is NO way JQ will have it's hub in the middle east.



Quoting LOUMEL (Reply 3):
I think that BKK is better for prospective European traffic. SGN is an interesting one

SIN/BKK/SGN (pick one or two) will be the JQ hub, AUH will be a QF hub. Different answers to different problems. With 105 B787s and 24 A380s under various types of contract the Qantas GROUP will have the means to do some pretty radical things. Having a JQ hub in SE Asia and QF hub in the Middle East makes perfect seance.

See the QF in AUH thread for more on this.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 19937 times:

I would suggest that the pro for SGN will be that it is somewhere QF itself doesn't appear to fly to or have a base there, it reduces the overlaps of them (QF/JQ) competing on the exact same routes as suddenly you can skip QF to SIN or BKK and just go cheap with JQ. SGN might also be good as there should be potential for lower costs and it makes for a potential hub with Jetstar Pacific (?).

Not sure on the status of SGN but how much work would JQ need to put in to make it a respectable sort of MX base to at least cope with the common issues they would deal with on their fleet?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 19882 times:

SGN would also offer lower operating costs for JQ than the others, especially SIN.

My only comment re: SGN is that currently even ranit pax require a visa, and this would cause issues for connecting pax. This of course could change.
the other factor is that SIN and BKK probably have less visa restrictions overall than SGN.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 19860 times:



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
yours truly is back from holidays I guess it's time to start Thread 26.

Cool! Where did you go?

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
my money is on SIN, due to 3K network feed, or perhaps BKK.



Quoting LOUMEL (Reply 3):
I think that BKK is better for prospective European traffic.

I think BKK. SIN seems to be more business travel plus QF already have a decent hub operation there. BKK seems to be popular with holiday makers etc and is underserved by the QF group currently. (Ie only MEL/SYD).

BKK would also appeal to Germans, French etc... not to mention they already have a crew base there.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
AUH will be a QF hub

Then why bother codesharing with EY?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5761 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 19843 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 4):
AUH will be a QF hub

Then why bother codesharing with EY?

See: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4367340/
for more detailed discussion on this point. Basically they help each other and are a stronger force against EK than either alone.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2192 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 19831 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
Cool! Where did you go?

Japan, as usual, on JQ! Had to take our 4 month old baby on his first overseas trip outside the womb.  Smile Trip report will appear sometime soon. I only have praise for the JQ flight attendants that we encountered.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
I think BKK. SIN seems to be more business travel plus QF already have a decent hub operation there. BKK seems to be popular with holiday makers etc and is underserved by the QF group currently. (Ie only MEL/SYD).

I agree, and note that many of the JQ long-haul FA's are Thai. SGN probably needs to develop more as a tourist destination before it is a suitable hub. As an uninformed guess I would say many tourists would see Thailand as an end point for travel or as a stopover point. Excluding those with cultural links to Vietnam, I also think that many visitors to that country would be prepared for that extra hassle of taking a second flight to SGN. Jetstar Pacific can offer that extra hop.

Considering the effort that JQ is expending on Japan, would it make any sense for Japan to be a stopover point to Europe? To answer myself, I would imagine that the regulatory regime may be too restrictive and Japan be too far from other feeder points in Australia.



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 19791 times:

Things have changed so much, because airlines are not so sure what the 787 will deliver for them - whether they will get the range they thought they were ordering.

I suggested that JQ is independent when it wants to be, and it is part of the Qantas group when it wants. There are so many JQ flights that operate with QF flight numbers. If JQ continues with the original plan of operating the Qantas Group flights to Southern Europe, they might as well continue to use the Qantas Group hub - Singapore.

It may end up being hard to spot the difference between JQ and QF. I presume nobody will bring their own sandwiches on board for a trip between Australia and Italy. If you prepay the meals, as you do on a flight between MEL and BKK, the cost will probably be double the cost of prepaying a meal on that sector. (MEL-BKK you pay for a meal and a refreshment - between Asian point and Europe there would be two meals and a refreshment)

If JQ does not use SIN, then they have to build their own hub - SGN would have to improve as an airport to work as a transit point















































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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 19743 times:

Both Virgin & Qantas released their Feb traffic stats today.

Virgin seem to be holding their ground in the domestic scene.

Their passenger numbers were down 0.1% on the previous FEB where as QF were down -10% for domestic and -3% for Jetstar domestic... ouch!

QF International was down 16%... presumably from all the cuts they have been making.


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19578 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
I suggested that JQ is independent when it wants to be, and it is part of the Qantas group when it wants. There are so many JQ flights that operate with QF flight numbers. If JQ continues with the original plan of operating the Qantas Group flights to Southern Europe, they might as well continue to use the Qantas Group hub - Singapore.

I couldn't agree more! We have already seen throughout JQ's history the overlap with QF. These are not two airlines but rather two brands of the QF Group. So with that in mind, I believe we will continue to see them both fly through the same hubs (ie SYD, MEL, SIN) to capitalise on this so far successful plan.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19568 times:



Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 12):
Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
I suggested that JQ is independent when it wants to be, and it is part of the Qantas group when it wants. There are so many JQ flights that operate with QF flight numbers. If JQ continues with the original plan of operating the Qantas Group flights to Southern Europe, they might as well continue to use the Qantas Group hub - Singapore.

I couldn't agree more! We have already seen throughout JQ's history the overlap with QF. These are not two airlines but rather two brands of the QF Group. So with that in mind, I believe we will continue to see them both fly through the same hubs (ie SYD, MEL, SIN) to capitalise on this so far successful plan.

Qantas' arrogance sucks. I can recall flying LAX-SYD and then having (their schedile stuff up, not mine) to overnight (at my own expense) and then connect (within 24 hours) to a JQ SYD-OOL. At JQ check-in I was told they would not accept my international QF over weight luggage (32kgs SYD-LAX) even though I was on a QF international schedule.

The pimple nosed JQ staff all told me that they had no realtionship with QF and that JQ was a seperate company. I told them I was a shareholder and that QF owned JQ 100% and that I effectively was their defacto employer. They went and got a supervisor who after 3 phone calls agreed they were wrong with refusing my luggage. You can imagine I was furious,

As far as I am concerned the JQ attitude had damaged much of QF's reputation. Just ask anybody who flies from OOL regularly



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19550 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 13):
As far as I am concerned the JQ attitude had damaged much of QF's reputation. Just ask anybody who flies from OOL regularly

Then they shoudl vote with their feet and not put up with it! I'm sure if people stopped flying JQ QF would soon realise it was a mistake withdrawing.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19530 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 10):
There are so many JQ flights that operate with QF flight numbers.

They have an interline agreement with one another.

Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 12):
These are not two airlines but rather two brands of the QF Group.

Has it ever been suggested otherwise? I believe in a majority of the press conferences held by Alan Joyce that the 'two-brand' strategy was mentioned numerous times.

Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 12):
I believe we will continue to see them both fly through the same hubs (ie SYD, MEL, SIN) to capitalise on this so far successful plan.

SIN and BKK have an inherent strength in that they are already established Cabin Crew bases for Jetstar long and short haul international. Any possible decision would be based around the relevant risk assessments and would more than likely include any number of asian ports such as KUL, SGN, BKK and SIN to name a few.



It's a beautiful night to fly like a phoenix...
User currently offlineLOUMEL From Australia, joined May 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19526 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
Both Virgin & Qantas released their Feb traffic stats today.

Virgin seem to be holding their ground in the domestic scene.

Their passenger numbers were down 0.1% on the previous FEB where as QF were down -10% for domestic and -3% for Jetstar domestic... ouch!

QF International was down 16%... presumably from all the cuts they have been making.

Actually (can't help myself the financial analyst charging out of me) you're on the pessimistic side.

Feb 08 had 29 days, Feb 09 had 28, which means that your always looking at a -3% growth Year on Year after a leap year if nothing else changes, or another way of looking at it is a company has to get 3% extra growth just to offset the statistical effect of a leap year.

Virgin is actually growing approx 2.75% on an underlying basis, Jetstar is flat, Qantas' is about -7% on an underlying basis.


User currently offlineLOUMEL From Australia, joined May 2008, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 19512 times:

BTW...Brisbane got the inaugural SQ Airbus A330 service today.

Source
http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=90406&nav=2


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 19451 times:



Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 15):
Has it ever been suggested otherwise?

No it hasn't, that was my point.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 19420 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 6):
My only comment re: SGN is that currently even ranit pax require a visa, and this would cause issues for connecting pax. This of course could change.
the other factor is that SIN and BKK probably have less visa restrictions overall than SGN.

I was thinking this as well. But, I'm sure the Vietnamese government will take down restrictions for transit, and maybe even lower visa requirements for entry, if it means JQ will start a hub there that would surely be good for the local economy.

Quoting LOUMEL (Reply 17):
BTW...Brisbane got the inaugural SQ Airbus A330 service today.

Awesome. Can't wait to try out the A330 business class (and the full business class) when I travel from PER-LHR via SIN in June.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 19417 times:



Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 18):
Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 15):
Has it ever been suggested otherwise?

No it hasn't, that was my point.

I disagree. JQ pretends it is not related to QF at every chance



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19105 times:

Has anyone noticed that QF has closed its CNS International QF Club very quitely!!!! now that CNS has only JQ International flights from this once major hub for QF.......That means no lounge access for Star Class passengers.

User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 18833 times:

January International AUS Pax figures are now available.

As Brisbane is my home port, here's a rundown on the figures:

Denpasar - continues to do really well. Nonstop and direct services recommenced in early December 2008, after a period of hiatus. BNE-DPS experienced a 33% increase (Jan 09) in passenger numbers over December 2008. Compariatively speaking, DPS traffic ex-Australia continues to grow at a very healthy rate. Pax figures for Jan 09:

ADL/DPS: 2,235
BNE/DPS: 8.088
DRW/DPS: 7.664
MEL/DPS: 12,521
PER/DPS: 30,438 (amazing, huh!)
SYD/DPS: 19,225

Brisbane - JAN 09 vs JAN 08

Bandar Seri Begawan - 50% increase in passenger numbers. BNE-BWN has long held the crown as being the largest market, in terms of passenger numbers Australia/NZ - BWN.

Hong Kong - 18% increase in passenger numbers. Cathay Pacific increased BNE services to 10x weekly late last year. Demand certainly doesn't appear to be on the decline!

Los Angeles - 19% increase in passenger numbers. Interestingly overall passenger figures declined slightly MEL-LAX-MEL and there was a rather large dip in SYD-LAX-SYD passenger numbers. V Australia commences nonstop BNE-LAX services next Wednesday (77W is a more suitable aircraft for this market, over the much larger 744), bringing welcome competition to a route that is served only by Qantas on a nonstop basis. Interestingly, the prospect of nonstop BNE-LAX services was laughed at by many some time ago - were they proven wrong!

Taipei - 28% increase in passenger numbers. EVA Air increased services to 5x weekly over the Christmas period to cater for the extra demand. TPE always seems to be on the increase, unlike other BNE-Asia ports.

Tokyo - huge drop in passenger numbers. JL recently replaced 744s with 763s on its NRT-BNE-NRT services (and you can see the reasoning behind this move). Jetstar's services ex-OOL are obviously having an impact

Kuala Lumpur - MH services ex-BNE must have dismal loads. They've cut back to 5x weekly services, continuing with the triangulated SYD/BNE routing. Air Asia's services ex-OOL are doing very well, in terms of passenger numbers. I'd imagine many of the people that flew MH ex-BNE are now choosing to fly from the Gold Coast

Coolies  Smile

Cheers


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18675 times:

SAA and Virgin Blue sign interline agreement.

http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs.../NewsandPressReleases/P_008340.htm

Quote:

Thursday 2 April 2009: South African Airways has announced that it has reached a new agreement with Virgin Blue to offer passengers greater choice, seamless transfers and more value fares to passengers travelling to South Africa through its Sydney and Perth hubs.



User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 18636 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 23):
Thursday 2 April 2009: South African Airways has announced that it has reached a new agreement with Virgin Blue to offer passengers greater choice, seamless transfers and more value fares to passengers travelling to South Africa through its Sydney and Perth hubs.

SAA still has a Joint Service Agreement with Qantas. Is this going to end? Will this interline agreement have passengers use DJ to connect from Australian domestic cities onto the Qantas operated service between SYD and JNB?


25 Post contains links ANstar : Let the battle begin! Tiger announce MEL-SYD flights! http://tigerairways.com/au/en/ Seems to be 4 x daily to start with.
26 Post contains links IndianicWorld : First brought up in another forum, Tiger has announced MEL-SYD from 3rd July, 2009. No frequency yet added and can not seem to book it yet. http://tig
27 IndianicWorld : I wonder how successful they will be on the route. 4 X daily is good start for their target market but the route is already suffering at present from
28 Tayser : The sale price isn't that impressive....
29 Tayser : Sooner rather than later I hope - and it would be nice if MEL flattened the current T4 and rebuilt a new one ala SIN's low cost terminal so JQ can ge
30 Ben175 : I believe today was the innaugral SQ A330-300 flight to PER. Am I correct? It's showing up as one on flightstats. [SQ226]
31 TN486 : schedules are now loaded and bookable
32 ANstar : I'd rarther fly Virgin Blue for $69 than Tiger for $68 any day!
33 Alangirvan : Surely the idea of Jetstar is that it was set up NOT to take passengers off Qantas. BA got sick of having Go take passengers away from Mainline, so Q
34 VH-KCT* : Although when TT started MEL-PER, JQ didn't take long to move from AVV to MEL; and again when TT started MEL-ADL, JQ moved their ADL ops from AVV to
35 Rsg85 : 2 emergency landings at MEL today QF MEL - SYD returned after takeoff due to lightning strike DJ LST - MEL 3 lightning strikes over bass strait, passe
36 Smi0006 : I remember hearing that there are already plans for this, with the Toll Dnata cargo shed and the cargo shed next door (not sure who's) to me moved to
37 ETA Unknown : The SYD-LAX pax dip indicated above is due to one of the QF 744 flights being withdrawn and operating to SFO instead.
38 Post contains links Allrite : Strategic Aviation are to lease 2 A320's and an A330 for wet-lease and contract charters for clients in Australia and around the world according to Fl
39 ANstar : But the A380 must also cover a bit fo that capcity also.
40 Gemuser : Not exactly the case. From various conversations, I gather the idea WAS too shift the very low margin, very cost sensitive traffic to JQ, which would
41 Smi0006 : Hey guys quick question regarding VA from Mel I am wondering if they have brought their start date forward, ground staff in Melbourne begin training i
42 Jetfuel : Melbourne - Los Angeles is the third route to be announced by V Australia, so the intro is limited by new a/c delivery amongst other factors, which w
43 Anstar : I beleive the 4th aircraft arrives in July... so it could be possible services will start early. I wonder what will happen with JNB? They are only du
44 TN486 : " target=_blank>http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs...0.htm Please forgive my ignorance, so I pose a question? In todays climate, would an interline
45 Smi0006 : I would imagine Jo'burg to be quiet a leisure route? QF send three class aircraft their generally I think. I would presume that this would mean the yi
46 ANstar : An interline agreement really only allows the flights to be issued on one ticket and the bags to be checked all the way through. Most airlines have i
47 Smi0006 : Ahh perhaps then the Melbourne tag will be implemented around May/April I believe the handling work begins then shall check dates and see what I come
48 TN486 : ANstar, thank you
49 Post contains links Boof : A couple of interesting things in this article on the herald sun website; http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25287298-5014090,00.html While t
50 Smi0006 : Very interesting indeed... As also apparently the damage assessment was finished this last week and repair crews will be sent out from DXB later this
51 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...overall-airline-20090331-9h9m.html Virgin Blue voted Australia's best overall airline
52 Post contains links Vhqpa : Austral and Virgin strike interline deal " target=_blank>www.airaustral.com.au Source DJ have been signing quite a few of these lately. Looks like DJ
53 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25295607-29277,00.html JETSTAR is refusing to say why it cancelled a flight out of Darwin yesterday morning, caus
54 ANstar : WOW - the pacific war is heating up QF have released a $649 Inc Return fare to Los Angeles! OMFG! CHEAP!
55 Monteycarlos : A competitive response would be to do so, however JQ are short of gates at MEL and would need to source an aircraft to operate that route. Stay tuned
56 VHVXB : Couldn't find anything on their website. However, its good to see fares at around the $1000 mark from QF, UA, VA and to a lesser extent NZ. Also QF h
57 ANstar : Ok it wasa bug whewre the fares were loaded witht hr EXc prices. It has been fixed and is now back to normal sale levels.
58 Jetfuel : Best I can find is From $639 Return plus taxes from $363. Where did you see it?
59 DavidByrne : I just checked the NZ website for a random date in May and found you could fly SYD-LAX return, out on 8 May and back on 12 May, for $1,027 incl taxes
60 QF175 : As mentioned by me in the previous Australian Aviation thread, Thai Airways will make changes to its Brisbane schedules from mid-2009. It is expected
61 Post contains links VHVXB : In other news Qantas Airways senior executive John Borghetti resigns QANTAS Airways senior executive John Borghetti will leave the airline next month
62 Post contains links QFFlyer : I understand damage is considerable, runs either side of aft compression bulkhead, and damage below crew rest area is also substantial. Repairs (if a
63 Monteycarlos : The rumour mill is suggesting that the Captain and First Officer at the helm for this flight have both resigned from their positions. It has also bee
64 Jbernie : Is he talking about people in QLD having to fly to SYD to get to LAX or ?
65 ANstar : Who konws - 4 hours seems a bit long and if he was talking about going via Asia then it owuld be longer than 4 hours. Look, I like Virgin Blue, but I
66 DavidByrne : 1.5 hours flying BNE-SYD, 1.5 hours minimum in transit at SYD and then a one hour longer flight SYD-LAX cf BNE-LAX, and the total extra time is 4 hou
67 Alangirvan : If it is a really good deal, people will be happy to so some indirect flying. There may not be any reason to fly through Asia between SYD and LAX, but
68 Post contains links ANstar : True - but I bet NZ is worried...I'm sure a chunk of their AUS-USA traffic is being sucked away. Now in case you didnt need ANOTHER reason NOT to fly
69 Jbernie : Thanks David, as I was living in SYD I never had to change planes to depart SYD for an international flight... makes sense. Though I would dare say i
70 Post contains links and images QF175 : V Australia 777-300ER, VH-VOZ has just departed Brisbane (30mins late - no doubt due to the fesitivites) operating VA7 bound for Los Angeles. This is
71 TN486 : I must stress the following was said to me some years ago without any proof of fact "A Garuda jet on approach to Tulla mistook the main runway at Ess
72 Boof : I'm not saying this didn't happen but I remember reading in the "On the Airwaves" section of Australian Aviation some years ago that a UA 747 lined u
73 Vhqpa : I was reading an old Aust. Aviation magazine (20 years old?) a few months ago and they used to have a section dedicated for unusual ATC transmissions
74 Post contains links ANstar : WOW - good for the Bris Vegas peeps here - V Australia have a launch fare of $777 return inc tax on the BNE-LAX route. Also talk of more QF job cuts a
75 AirbusA322 : Some of the old 744's according to another Internet site, possible OJK. I was told it was a SQ Aircraft after initially asking if it was a Garuda Jet
76 TN486 : Thank u Vhqpa, you have rung some memory bells there.
77 AeroplaneFreak : Is there any news on JQ new A321s they ordered?
78 Post contains links TN486 : 2 expected in June. www.icns.com.au. Do not know about the others. QF648 0030 service out of Perth direct to MEL today went via SYD, anyone shed any
79 Smi0006 : Will these also be MEL based with the other two? Could we see them operating to DPS via DRW at some point I wonder? How many A320s are Jetstar pacifi
80 AirbusA322 : 3K already has minimal aircraft. BL has stalled for the time being considering they are not allowed to do fly here and fly there at the current momen
81 FlyAustralian : I read a few days ago that Skyairworld(SAW) receiver is trying to sell the SAW AOC. What is this worth ? Guess it's in the eye of the beholder ? What
82 VH-BZF : A friend of mine in Melbourne said it was because of fog at Melbourne airport. They need the CATIII upgrade there now! BZF
83 LOUMEL : It was due to be operational back in December, what happened?
84 Gemuser : Unless things have changed to an unbelievable extent, you can't actually sell an AOC, but you can sell the organisation (people, systems and assets)
85 Post contains links SInGAPORE_AIR : Travel agents lose suit MORE than 1,000 Australian-based travel agents banded together to sue Singapore Airlines (SIA) and five other major carriers f
86 Post contains links Boof : Some further developments in the EK tailstrike at MEL came out today in this article: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25323449-5014090,00.
87 Jbernie : Sadly once the initial excitement passes the media can be very fickle and just be distracted by the next best thing. For Melbourne it couldbe the lat
88 Smi0006 : Just looking at the ICNS QFflyer website, it's interesting to note that QF have completed the premium economy refit on all but two of the three class
89 Post contains links QantasA333 : Was trying to look at bookings for ADL/MEL/SYD to OOL for January 21st on JQ. Results came back with nothing. Have a look for yourself. Go to www.qant
90 Boof : I doubt it. If you take a look at JQ's websites none of the routes JQ fly are available for booking past the 20th of Jan 2010. I guess they haven't r
91 IndianicWorld : This would have to be a resounding no. Airlines do not load flights a long way in advance in many cases which is the reason for this. OOL is one of t
92 Boeing747400ER : When does V Australia start flying out of MEL?
93 TN486 : There you go. VA were doing some training flights out of MEL prior to start up, however I am not sure this is still happening. Their 777's look great
94 Anstar : Officially 15SEP but rumours are it may start as early as June
95 Post contains links DJ748 : Looks like the credit crunch is really biting here at home - the BNE Airport Corporation is delaying the construction of the second runway here and th
96 Qantas787 : It is interesting that it doesn't seem to be financing problems for the delay, just lack of growth. To me it begs the question, why not do it now? Ma
97 FlyAustralian : becasue airlines have to pay f0r 80% of it, according to tv news report heard last night
98 Post contains links ANstar : Qantas to axe more jobs... http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,25331810-462,00.html 500 more management posiiotns to be cut as well as anoth
99 Boof : I think the big news from this article is: Very interesting...
100 Trent1000 : Yep! I did it last month (a few hours longer though) QF BNE/SYD then transit to UA to LAX. Maybe you won't believe me, but it's not as bad as it seem
101 Monteycarlos : Part of the greater Pan-Asian strategy. With growth opportunities limited by the late arrival of the 787 there is a significant emphasis on growing t
102 FlyAustralian : When QF flight is delayed out of BNE, (often) can miss flight ex SYD, so a lot of people, who fly this route via SYD for some crazy reason, allow an
103 Trent1000 : It's great to use the Air NZ lounge in Sydney, to have something to eat & drink and have a shower there before the only direct Star Alliance service
104 Post contains links TruemanQLD : You do have to admire how 'right' the media gets things... http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=802119
105 Post contains links VV701 : The BBC are reporting that QF has fumigated an aircraft after four baby pythons escaped and disappeared during an ASP-MEL flight: http://news.bbc.co.u
106 Aussieindc : Queue the QFFF's using up their points quick smart based on the speculation, especially after what happened with AN.
107 QF175 : It appears that Garuda Indonesia is set to resume services to Brisbane in the latter part of 2009. The market conditions have changed (i.e. pax loads
108 ANstar : LoL... I'll believe it when I see it They seem to chop and change their minds about the Aussie routes soooo much.
109 Eta unknown : I'm with ANstar on that one. If Garuda couldn't fill an A330 over the XMAS holidays before the economic situation had further deteriorated, I can't se
110 DJ748 : Quite the same too. The 738's are a much better choice than an A330 on the route - if Pac Blue can use their 738's on the route non-stop with 12 in P
111 DJMEL : When does V Australia start flying out of MEL? I have just heard that V Australia start there tag on service from SYD to MEL V.V on May 30.
112 ANstar : Officially not until 15 SEP... but we have some rumours it could be from June... Cathay are also suspending their 4th SYD-HKG flight CX161/162 from 3
113 Smi0006 : Third of June the daily MEL-SYD-LAX tag begins.
114 Alangirvan : Seems like it is very hard to get just the right aircraft here - current widebodies a bit too big, and the range a bit of a challenge for 738s. And A
115 DJ748 : Even the length of the direct BNE-DPS route is stretching the legs of the 738, heading westbound against the winds. Great Circle Mapper has a length
116 AirbusA322 : So will domestic passengers be able to just buy the MEL-SYD-MEL part of their VA leg? I would love to fly the 777 domestically, just like how you can
117 SunriseValley : Alan Joyce has taken up where Dixon left off , on Australia's depreciation policy. In an interview with ATW He draws attention to nearby jurisdictions
118 FlyAustralian : on Sunday night TV programme on channel 7 tonight story about Yogjakarta crash pilot, Garuda got a really bad wrap & it had aviation journo saying he
119 Post contains links ANstar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQhbkAoRJm4 A great video of the V Australia launch and has a clip of the painting of the aircraft.... Looks likme grea
120 SunriseValley : The 738 range with 160 2-class passenger load is just under 3000nm. Assuming -60k winds , which is probably on the high side for > 90% of the time, t
121 Post contains links Sydscott : http://www.abc.net.au/insidebusiness/ See the link for an interview with Alan Joyce which was broadcast on Sunday Morning. Highlights; - All Qantas un
122 FlyAustralian : don't know about 380's but if conditions continue deteriorating, then a 744 could be operated on Jetstar type plan very quickly. What's needed ? More
123 Sydscott : Can you say the word "strike"? Because that is what would happen if QF did that. Not going to happen.
124 Mal787 : People get cranky when they book QF and end up on Jetstar, would you spend 13+ hours in a 500+ seat 744 with little or no leg room QF have 31 piitch
125 TruemanQLD : Damn you beat me to it, surely someone who would sugest 747's for Jetstar must know the REALDEAL in the airline industry. :P
126 Eta unknown : The Jetstar 747 SYD-LAX flights wouldn't even have to be non-stop... they could operate via... oh I don't know... Invercargill ! Now that would be REA
127 Alangirvan : Oh people have no sense of fun. But I do not think you would have much sense of fun after flying in a 500+ seat 747. That is the number of seats that
128 ANstar : Would a 500 seat 747 actually be able to make it non stop anyway with a full load of pax and baggage???
129 Alangirvan : Just seen a link to an announcement that Jetstar have announced interline and settlement agreements with Etihad, Air Calin and Air Tahiti Nui. This wo
130 Zkpilot : Well QF used to have 743s with 450 seats in the usual 31" in Y and still with quite a few J seats... if JQ were to operate a 744 with the UD converte
131 ANstar : But the 743's stopped in AKL or HNL so they couldnt make it non stop.
132 SunriseValley : Shouldn't be a problem . Assuming ESAD LAX-SYD of 7000nm , allowable ZFW is about 520K lbs. Depending on the passenger ready weight of the aircraft ,
133 ANstar : I only ask as I know the original 747-400's struggled with a 3 class load from MEL... I thought adding another 100 pax may make SYD-LAX a bit of a st
134 Post contains links FlyAustralian : VA are giving away seats again to LAX to all Breakaway travel club members (see below) $299 return +taxes/charges for departures til end OCT booking b
135 ANstar : Good idea! Get more bums on seats to spread the V word!
136 FlyAustralian : sounds a bit desperate though. No urgency to book (end of Aug) seems strange as well.
137 Jbernie : Do items (B) & (J) cover QF employees?
138 ANstar : Well at least they will be getting ioncome for seats otheriwse left unsold. I dont see the issue in offering these seats to travel industry workers.
139 FlyAustralian : guess so. yes but the travel industry has a very good grape vine & most of it will know VA are doing $299 fares now, but you'd think they say book by
140 Post contains links IndianicWorld : Results are in for MEL Q3 http://www.melbourneairport.com.au/a...ort/media_releases_item.asp?id=472 21 April 2009 POSITIVE INTERNATIONAL RESULTS IN A
141 Post contains links ANstar : Qantas to lose upto 200 seats per day to Delta http://business.theage.com.au/busine...elta-seat-drift-20090422-afh8.html
142 Zkpilot : Yes but that was because of their inefficient engines and lack of winglets etc 744s on the otherhand have computerised fuel management, more efficien
143 Sydscott : " target=_blank>http://business.theage.com.au/busine....html I saw this this morning as well and was wondering when someone would post it. So QF pick
144 FlyAustralian : With VA dragging down yields QF might not have a choice, they might have to give 1 or 2 744's to JQ & put as many seats in them as possible, even if
145 Post contains links NA : V Australia defers 77Ws. No surprise. http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...a-delays-777-300er-deliveries.html
146 FlyAustralian : " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html Is the the beginning of the end for VA ? Interestingly NZ offered SYD/LAX/SYD for AUD$29
147 NA : Chances are pretty high. I wouldnt invest a single dollar here. They should have started with used 744s (like VS did with secondhand 741/742 25 years
148 ANstar : I don't think so.... merely a smart move to bed down your current routes before further expanding. If the recession lasts into next year it makes per
149 Dynamicsguy : We (Boeing Aerostructures Australia) make some of the parts for their 777s and it looks like we miss out.
150 Post contains links JQFlightie : Has anyone heard about Strategic Aviation, ill post a link and if anyone can shed any light on them it would be great! http://www.flystrategic.com/Def
151 NA : You call a desparate move smart? Hmmm, and as I said, it doesnt make sense to operate an expensive new aircraft for a start-up when the established o
152 ANstar : When did I say the word desperate? Most LCC's start up with new aircradft due to the lowe MX costs... perhaps you better get the book out and read it
153 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?id=90724&nav=46 Etihad skyrockets to success with new Melbourne route Tuesday, 7 April 2009 Capping o
154 Tayser : Would be great if Etihad started EDI - first scheduled one stop flights from Australia to Edinburgh if I'm not mistaken.
155 Sydscott : You've got no idea buddy. Clearly basing Virgin America at SFO & LAX where it is bleeding cash like no tomorrow and focusing your flying around what
156 NA : If so, than it´s even harder for V Oz to survive, as with give-away prices they wont survive. Its clear which "party" you vote or even work for, tha
157 Post contains links and images QF175 : Canberra-based Brindabella Airlines will begin Metro flights between Brisbane and Australia's Country Music Capital, Tamworth from early May 2009. It
158 DavidByrne : Not that I'm doubting its accuracy, but it reads more like a company press release than serious journalism.
159 QF175 : According to the online V Australia schedules, the airline will introduce an extra weekly Brisbane - Los Angeles service from mid-September 2009, brin
160 Jbernie : The concern that I would have is that competition generally brings prices down, so under normal circumstances (go GFC) we would have seen lower price
161 ANstar : Given both Qantas and VA have deferred aircraft deliveries, I think it is a smart move for both carriers. What would you liek them to do? Still get t
162 Jbernie : But wouldn't QF be expecting a downturn of some sort anyway? They (QF) were almost given the whole market when Ansett failed, so for a period of time
163 Sydscott : Only in your opinion. Why don't you just quit arguing? V Australia will not fail because it's parent company, Virgin Blue, is a cash flow positive en
164 Post contains links ANstar : Air NZ released their March stats.... http://business.brisbanetimes.com.au...e-on-key-routes-20090424-ai0v.html & http://www.nzx.com/markets/NZSX/AIR/
165 QFFlyer : Interesting, I wasn't aware ANZ re-started this route......
166 Alangirvan : "Virgin Blue delayed the delivery of two 361-seat 777-300ERs for its V Australia operation because of the slowdown in air travel. The fifth and sixth
167 Sydscott : I don't think you'll find that JNB will start until they receive plane number 5. So it'll just be SYD/MEL/BNE-LAX for now. Either that or they'll hav
168 Alangirvan : Well, V Australia is telling the Australian Stock Exchange that it expects to start SYD-PER-JNB this year. Is there anyone at the ASX who reads a.net?
169 Post contains links ANstar : Lol.. I meant AKL-LAX When did it tell the ASX that?? I haven't seen any release recently that mentions it. Speaking about VA... here is their new TV
170 Alangirvan : OK, maybe it is a bit vague whether this is all what they were telling the ASX, or just the first sentence.
171 ANstar : The ASX release doesn't mention any route. My guess is that bit was added by the journalist.
172 Leonjunior : Anyone know how is Airasia X doing on their MEL - KUL route? How are the loads etc ?
173 BNE : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/flyvaustralia Thanks for the youtube link: and I saw the advert again on Channel 7 last night. I didn't think
174 IndianicWorld : I dont have any links on hand, but have seen interviews with the CEO of Air Asia expressing his satisfaction of the loads on the MEL-KUL route. It wa
175 VH-BZF : Airport News: AVIATION SYDNEY Airport wants to delay projects worth $90 million for up to 18 months, including a new baggage handling system at the in
176 Allrite : I just hope that they finish the construction work at the international terminal soon. For anyone here who hasn't visited Sydney's international term
177 ANstar : Jetstar started AKL-SYD and AKL-OOL services today... I agree - looks like a disaster zone currently.
178 Smi0006 : Hey guys, was just having a look at QFlyer (always forget who maintains this site but as always my compliments and thanks!) Just noticed a note statin
179 VH-BZF : No, QFLink have moved a Q400 to Melbourne to operate services to/from MEL and MQL, LST & DPO. QF have previosly announced that the Picocell system wi
180 TN486 : Take it easy Smi006, any more ??? andyou shall overtake me As for the DH4, I brought it to all and sundrys attention in the previous thread about it
181 Smi0006 : Haha lols I used to QFLink crew, but well before the DH4 arrived in Melbourne, although I was certified on them, there was constant talk about when w
182 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Virgin Blue also commenced flights from Perth and Melbourne to Darwin. Look here for monthly updates: http://www.bitre.gov.au/info.aspx?ResourceId=21
183 TruemanQLD : I was unaware there were JQLounges. But it appears they are building one at OOL. Can anyone shed some light on this? Also is the Swine Flu outbreak go
184 ANstar : To be honest I think it will run its course pretty quick. Only 7 people have been klilled, all from Mexico. Sure it's a bad flu, but it's not like th
185 Smi0006 : I don't know, whilst I doubt the virus will do much damage, the media on the other hand...... the number or Mexicans killed has been revised down fro
186 JQFlightie : i saw this too when i was up there the other weekend, we came to the conclusion that before the redevelopment of OOL Airport, there was a Qantas Club
187 DavidByrne : That's all right then. It's good that we have expertise on A-net that's more onto it than the WHO!
188 Smi0006 : I know your response wasn't targeted at me; I don't for a second bash the WTO, I bash the media and the government maybe my uni lifestyle is getting
189 Aussieindc : I was just looking at Flight Aware and noticed that last Saturdays (April 25th) departure of QF16 was delayed until Sunday morning and eventually depa
190 Baroque : I did not expect the free trade aspects of the flu to come up quite this early. I must be in la la land, as I would have thought it getting to NZ was
191 Jbernie : As it stands right now SARS will have done much more damage due to the areas affected, but should the swine flu start spreading more then that can ea
192 ANstar : LOL... If I were running it I'd also call it the Mexcina Flu. So far the only deaths have been Mexicans... Anyways.... does anyone know who is going
193 Boof : I read on another forum that they are branded JQ but will be privately run, they will charge a fee of around $25 to get in and won't recognise QFF or
194 ANstar : Not really. If it is a QF lounge then they would have to let QF FF'rs in for free! This is just a money grabbing excercise...
195 Smi0006 : My bad typo! lol I'm sure Toll Dnata will be there proactivly undercutting the competition, only to later realise they can't afford the rates...or le
196 Boof : I agree with you, but the way it was conveyed on the other forum this will be JQ branded but run similar to the affiliate lounges QF are part of. I g
197 QF175 : Air Pacific has suspended services from Gold Coast to Nadi effective immediately. Affected passengers are being provided with alternative flights from
198 TruemanQLD : I do not mean because of its ACTUAL severity, but the severity the media (mainly the good shows like Today Tonight) has been placing it in, alot of p
199 Post contains links VirginFlyer : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-signs-lease-deals-for-airbus.html V/F
200 Post contains links Allrite : Australian Aviation Thread 27 is now up!
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