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Canadian Airport Statistics So Far In '09  
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2638 posts, RR: 11
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Here is what's going on so far this year at major airports in Canada in terms of passenger numbers:

YYZ - No numbers for 2009 as of yet.
YVR - 11.3% decline in passenger traffic for Jan and Feb.
YYC - 4.5 % decline in passenger traffic for Jan and Feb (International traffic for Feb was down 23.0% !!!)
YUL - 2.7% decline in passenger traffic for Jan. International traffic was up 7.1% in Jan, while domestic and transborder were both down 11.6% and 4.8% respectfully (Feb data not in yet)
YEG - 2.4% decline in passenger traffic for Jan and Feb (transborder and international numbers are up 17.9% and 14.1% respectfully for the same period, but the bulk of YEG traffic is domestic, which is down 8.7%)
YOW - based on graph, passenger numbers are down 4.2 % for Jan and Feb.
YHZ - No numbers for 2009 as of yet.

Sources: Official Airport websites

Thenoflyzone


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User currently offlineSkywatcher From Canada, joined Sep 2002, 462 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8711 times:

YWG (Winnipeg) is down -2.3% Feb.year-to-date.

It's getting ugly.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8620 times:



Quoting Skywatcher (Reply 1):
It's getting ugly.

Not really. It's just part of a normal correction. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

It may result in the suspension or reduction of certain services across the country, but these fluctuations are part of a normal and healthy air travel industry.



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User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Last year was a leap year. With 28 rather than 29 days this year, February numbers being down shouldn't be a surprise - that's a 3.5% drop for February even if daily the numbers were identical.

It's the next couple of months that will be telling... single digit drops aren't anything to worry about, but double digit drops are a lot harder to swallow.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Correction:

YVR - down 9.5% Jan, down 11.3% Feb (YTD down 10.4%)

Quoting Thenoflyzone (Thread starter):
YYC - 4.5 % decline in passenger traffic for Jan and Feb (International traffic for Feb was down 23.0% !!!)

What happened to International traffic at YYC? Could this be a typo?!


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8225 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 4):
What happened to International traffic at YYC? Could this be a typo?!

Doubt it.

101,806 intl passengers in Feb 08, and only 78,430 in Feb 09. Even with the leap year issue, that is a huge decrease in international passengers!

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 4):
Correction:

YVR - down 9.5% Jan, down 11.3% Feb (YTD down 10.4%)

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Right you are. Sorry for the mistake. Still a huge drop for YVR.

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Most traffic in Canada is typically seasonal? Mabe it'll be a bang up summer?

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Also seems that G4 are scooping up quite a bit of transborder traffic.

I know lots of folks who are now driving to BLI instead of using YVR.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4368639/



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8096 times:

With YEG finally showing a decline in traffic after years of mega growth, is their aggressive expansion plan a bit too heavy?!

Going from 17 boarding gates to 30. This is a pretty huge increase of 13 aerobridges.

I really had nothing to do so did a quick analysis of "needs".

Being very "generous"... I figure this is what is needed based on Summer 2009 sched.

Domestic:
AC - 5 gates (assuming all regional jets utilise aerobridges)
WS - 6 gates
Other domestic - 2 gates (Canadian North (jets only), Air North, First Air)
"Buffer" - 1 gate
At peak times, any airline could "borrow" from another and ustilise the additional gate thrown in as a buffer, which does not really appear to be required, but thrown in anyway as a generous add.

US/International:
US - 5 gates (assuming all flights including DH4 would use aerobridges) - only needed in the early AM after that they could easily get away with only 3.
International - 4 gates (really only required for the winter charters and only require this many on only a few days a week for early AM flights). In summer, they would require 2 at the most.
"Buffer" - 1 gate.
Again, during peak times, any airline could use the buffer gate or use the US/International gates as swing gates, if required.

So this all adds up to 24 gates (including the 2 buffer gates). Only 22 would really be required for an efficient and smooth operation. In my opinion, a more realistic approach would be to add 5 - 7 gates now and hold off on the 6 - 8 at the end of the new concourse until required.

I am all for building for the future, but this expansion appears way too large for one go, especially now.

Where does YEG expect to get all this traffic to utilise these other 6-8 gates effectively?


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8081 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 8):
AC - 5 gates (assuming all regional jets utilise aerobridges)

All 50 seat CRJ aircraft utilize the tunnel/apron only with the exception of the 75 seat 705's which use bridges and account for no more than a half a dozen departures a day.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8080 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Thread starter):
YYC - 4.5 % decline in passenger traffic for Jan and Feb (International traffic for Feb was down 23.0% !!!)
YUL - 2.7% decline in passenger traffic for Jan. International traffic was up 7.1% in Jan, while domestic and transborder were both down 11.6% and 4.8% respectfully (Feb data not in yet)

Will YUL surpass YYC this year and be Canada's 3rd busiest? I think cheaper oil is hurting YYC. How is Fort McMurray doing this year?


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8074 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 9):
All 50 seat CRJ aircraft utilize the tunnel/apron only with the exception of the 75 seat 705's which use bridges and account for no more than a half a dozen departures a day.

That's what I meant by being generous! The CRJ's could use aerobridges though could they not? I have seen them being used in YYC and YVR.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8062 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 11):
The CRJ's could use aerobridges though could they not?

Yes that's true,you've probably noticed that they use adapters for the RJ's in YYC and YVR. The bridges need to be the full articulating type,sorry don't know what the proper technical name is. It's cheaper to utilize the apron as airlines have to pay a fee to use bridges and most of the time it will also be a quicker turn on the apron providing no push-back is required(turn-out).


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
Will YUL surpass YYC this year and be Canada's 3rd busiest?

Expect these 2 airports to battle for 3rd spot in the coming years. Personally, i think YUL will regain 3rd spot in 2009.

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 8):
With YEG finally showing a decline in traffic after years of mega growth, is their aggressive expansion plan a bit too heavy?!

Speaking of YEG, AC just shelved its plans to increase LHR service to 9x weekly. It will stay 7x weekly all year long. the 2 extral flights will go to YVR-LHR instead.

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...lost-ac-2-extra-london-flight.html

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-04-02 11:09:23]


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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7665 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 13):

Wow, that is a surprise that YEG loses the two additional frequencies. Originally they were transferred from YYC. And now switched to YVR. Obviously these flights were not selling ex/YEG. It is only 2 flights per week, but it is a pretty significant loss in capacity to YEG.

This furthers my questioning of the massive expansion at YEG. IMO, clearly the expansion has got to be excessive based on current needs and even the best case scenario for future growth, given the current climate.


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7633 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 14):

This furthers my questioning of the massive expansion at YEG. IMO, clearly the expansion has got to be excessive based on current needs and even the best case scenario for future growth, given the current climate.

Although I agree with you, I believe the current terminal was seen as a white elephant in the previous South Terminal expansion, which is now close to capacity (and the car park was even worse before the expansion!)

They're probably basing the mega-expansion on the idea of a huge boom following the recession. I doubt it will require a 75% gate increase (does this include the ground-loading gates?) though, unless they know something we don't.

Jon



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7615 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 13):
Expect these 2 airports to battle for 3rd spot in the coming years. Personally, i think YUL will regain 3rd spot in 2009.

I think YYC will be price oil dependent.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7590 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
Will YUL surpass YYC this year and be Canada's 3rd busiest?

You mean, will it regain the position it lost only last year? My guess is yeah, very likely.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 16):
I think YYC will be price oil dependent.

This has my vote of 'safe statement of the day'. Calgary, despite locals' claims that their economy has greatly diversified since the last boom of the 80s, is inextricably tied to the fortunes of oil. Not just any oil, but Canadian tar sands oil, which requires between 50 and 80 bucks a barrel to make it economically viable to extract, plus a commitment from a seemingly reluctant new US president.



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User currently offlineRobsaw From Canada, joined Dec 2008, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7445 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 6):
Most traffic in Canada is typically seasonal? Mabe it'll be a bang up summer?

The comparisons are month-to-month from this year to the previous year. Seasonal variations aren't the issue. To make up the difference, the summer will not only have to meet last year's numbers but exceed them.


User currently offlineEvolv From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7131 times:

YYC updated there numbers and indeed the 23% decline was a typo, international traffic was up 6% in february. The international sector was the only sector not in decline

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7123 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 10):
How is Fort McMurray doing this year?

Work wise Fort McMurray is really down this year. I have a friend of mine who was torn between many calls last year and so far this year there wasn't a single call for work. During the boom a lot of unskilled labour came in from all over the places: Eastern Canada and overseas. Now companies no longer need that many unskilled workers and are concentrating on hiring skilled and experienced people instead. Grande Prairie which was another boomtown totally dependant on oil rigs and rlated services is suffering too. In a recent news Suncor Energy bought out Petro Canada and this merger will lead to major lay offs. So yeah, if you were to planning to come to Alberta seeking employment now is not the right time.

On a side note YYC is losing quite a few flights:

Canjet will finish its seasonal charter program and return the aircraft to TUI.

KLM starts service in early May, but only 3 weekly services instead of previously announced 4.

USAir is suspending LAS - YYC daily service.

Air Transat's situation is still unclear. Sunny charter season is coming to an end and their European schedule is still unknown.

Air Canada Jazz might cut down services to smaller cities in Alberta like YEG, YMM and YQU. Cancellations of these flights can be seen on a daily basis.

Plus the whole restructuring thing about to shake Air Canada might see some cuts here and there.

On a brighter side, FlyGlobespan is starting charters from UK to YYC in June.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7100 times:

With cruise lines pulling some capacity from Vancouver, I fear bad numbers ahead for YVR the next few summers.  Sad

User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Even with the reduced numbers at YYC there was this little bit of information from http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/ :

Japan and Canada signs landmark bilateral deal

Tokyo Narita
As early as March 2010, carriers from Canada will be able to operate 1 more weekly service during Summer season. According to the deal, Canadian carrier plans to operate the service out of Calgary.

However, if any Canadian carrier choose to do so, Japanese carriers shall receive equal rights for similar new service.

Press Release from Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism can be found here.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6973 times:



Quoting YXD172 (Reply 15):



Quoting YXD172 (Reply 15):
I doubt it will require a 75% gate increase (does this include the ground-loading gates?) though, unless they know something we don't.

No, the increase is based on aerobridge equipped gates.

Quoting Evolv (Reply 19):
YYC updated there numbers and indeed the 23% decline was a typo, international traffic was up 6% in february. The international sector was the only sector not in decline

They must have included some international numbers in the transborder numbers, because before the revision, transborder was actually showing an increase, now showing a large decrease.

Quoting Kevin (Reply 20):
KLM starts service in early May, but only 3 weekly services instead of previously announced 4

Only for the first couple of weeks. Then will be the planned 5 weekly starting early June, so no big whoop here.

Quoting Kevin (Reply 20):
Air Transat's situation is still unclear. Sunny charter season is coming to an end and their European schedule is still unknown.

Nothing unusual with the ending of the seasonal winter charter flights. For the summer, Air Transat planning the usual 1 weekly to each of FRA, AMS, CDG and MUC. All UK flights are now being flown by Thomas Cook.

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 22):
Tokyo Narita
As early as March 2010, carriers from Canada will be able to operate 1 more weekly service during Summer season. According to the deal, Canadian carrier plans to operate the service out of Calgary.

I wouldn't get too excited yet. With the Japanese economy faring as one of the worst right now, agreement signings or not, I wouldn't expect anything to come out it. 1 additional frequency per week? What a massive agreement that is! There are too many what ifs with these types of agreements, so don't hold your breath!


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6959 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 23):
1 additional frequency per week? What a massive agreement that is!

Exactly. What kind of 'landmark' deal is that? I realize there are other aspects to the deal than just the one NRT frequency but still...

Also, AC is suspending YEG-LAS during the second half of the Summer schedule. Not sure if this was planned or not. If US and AC are both dropping/suspending LAS, will that temporarily leave YEG without LAS service?

LH423



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25 C172Akula : I'm definitely not getting worked up based on the report, but I take some comfort in the fact that at least YYC is on the radar for flights like these
26 Thenoflyzone : I believe the "landmark" part is the opening up of HND to Canada, be it during night time hours. the NRT part is just a detail. Thenoflyzone
27 Post contains links Thenoflyzone : Actually, it was initially announced at 5 times a week. http://www.airfrance.fr/common/image...=ccdeadeglijghdlcefecekedgfndghk.0 Thenoflyzone
28 Kevin : I believe Westjet operates to LAS from both YYC and YEG. Plus don't forget the charters like Sunwing.
29 Pnwtraveler : Hopefully for YVR the normal pre and post Winter Olympics tourism boost helps offset some of the cutbacks due to the economy. The coverage will put t
30 Jet13 : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...8639/ i was going to talk about that link thread you got there. Yeah it seems the Canadians, a
31 Thenoflyzone : Update on YUL numbers for Feb. 7.0% decline in passenger traffic. YTD total of 4.7% decline. That gives YUL 1,963,296 passengers for Jan and Feb combi
32 Brilondon : I would not panic until I* see the numbers for the third quarter here in Canada. If we start seeing double digit drops in numbers st that point in ti
33 Post contains links YVR1968 : And a sudden twist in events with respect to YUL. They have revised their 2008 figures up to 12.8M. This makes YUL the 3rd busiest in Canada after YY
34 Jetplaner : YQR has been doing surprisingly well, passengers have surpassed the 1 million mark for 2008, and United is starting a service to Denver this year and
35 YVR1968 : Yes, it appears that YQR and YXE are doing fairly well. As mentioned, YQR is adding DEN (UA) and YVR (WS). However, YQR is losing YWG (WS) for the su
36 Post contains links YVR1968 : Just stumbled across this article on ctv toronto website. Some airline analyst is saying Air Canada must make drastic changes (duh!) and made some pre
37 Thenoflyzone : Quite a twist indeed ! Good news for YUL ! Sucks for YYC though, being stripped of a title it never deserved ! With the current downturn affecting Al
38 Bmacleod : Strange that Canada's 2nd largest city would be behind Calgary in passenger and flight numbers. Yes black gold does make YYC a big attraction but YUL
39 Thenoflyzone : It's not just about the black gold. Calgary is a city that is much more dependent on air travel than Montreal. There is no train service to Calgary,
40 Post contains links YVR1968 : It isn't. As mentioned previously in this thread, YUL has revised its 2008 numbers and is therefore, the 3rd busiest in Canada, YYC is 4th. Another i
41 Jamincan : I think if you look at the passenger distribution for YEG, the growth in transborder has been huge, even as overall passenger numbers decline.
42 HarrisonRuess : You're probably right that they don't really need the 30 gates they're expanding to. But consider this from the business/politics perspective. The fu
43 Threepoint : was huge. The expansion plan was conceived and approved during the heady days of the recent boom. As it's usually impossible to start such projects o
44 YXD172 : IIRC that flight was one leg of their YEG-YXE-YWG flight, have they lost the YEG leg of it as well? Jon
45 YVR1968 : That's what I figure as well. And I certainly wouldn't expect them to delay the whole project, as it clearly is needed, just potentially revise it do
46 Viscount724 : The recent plunge in the Canadian/US Dollar exchange rate has reduced the advantage of doing that. A year ago the the CA$ was close to par with the U
47 HarrisonRuess : Definitely agreed; travelling to the US is more expensive across the board for people using the CAD due to a weaker CAD compared to the USD. But, it
48 MasseyBrown : Does BUF also limit YHM growth? I guess the answer is yes; so my next question is how is Westjet doing there?
49 Thenoflyzone : YYC numbers for March '09 are in. A 7.7% decrease in traffic, with 1,015,060 passengers handled, compared to 1.1 million a year ago. Interesting to no
50 YVR1968 : Yes, AC YEG-LHR to go only 3 weekly for the winter scheds (Mon, Wed, Sat only). IMO, I wouldn't be surprised if LH, BA or KL, or all 3 scale back som
51 EVA777SEA : Where did you see this? Their online timetable shows the normal 7x weekly in November, December, and January.
52 Post contains links YVR1968 : OAG online timetables: LHR-YVR BA87 x36 dep LHR 1305 arr YVR 1425 BA85 DAILY dep LHR 1705 arr YVR 1840 YVR-LHR BA86 157 dep YVR 1745 arr LHR 1050 +1
53 DingDong : Just curious... how much of that, if any, might be attributable to the West Edmonton Mall? WEM is one of the top 10 largest shopping malls in the wor
54 YVR1968 : I think this used to be quite the draw. And in fact, I remember there were actual charter flights to YEG just for the WEM. However, you rarely even h
55 A332 : Exactly. WEM was a tourist destination back in the 1980s, but times have changed. That mall is run down, littered with wannabe gangsters & thugs and
56 Thenoflyzone : I'm not surprised to see those increases for next winter. AC will also add extra capacity and extra destinations to Europe in March 2010, due to the
57 C172Akula : Rumour has it YYC may see a flight to NRT 1x weekly starting in March of 2010.
58 Kevin : WEM used to be a talk of town , bu those days are surely over. I would agree with everything A332 had to say, plus I want to add that WEM has absolut
59 Thenoflyzone : Don't hold you're breath on that one. Not with international travel in Alberta spiraling down lately, and the Japanese economy the way it is. I'd be
60 C172Akula : I don't see why it couldn't be tried. It is not like we are talking daily service, 1 flight a week from March to September (to capitalize on the summe
61 Post contains links YVR1968 : This rumour is based on an agreement between Canada and Japan whereby Haneda Airport will open up to Canada amongst other things. http://www.tc.gc.ca
62 EVA777SEA : Perhaps that is a temporary addition for the olympics? Even as I look at the link you provided, I still only see 7x weekly in December, unless I'm no
63 Post contains links YVR1968 : http://timetables.oag.com/lhr/ Try starting from this. I just did a random search for days in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb and all the BA86/87 are there. OAG c
64 C172Akula : Further info on the YYC-NRT 1x weekly is that it will utilize the slot that Canadian Airlines used to operate from YYC-NRT with the DC-10.
65 Kevin : A flight to Hong Kong would make much more sense. I don't think there is enough O&D traffic to guarantee nonstop YYC - NRT (well apart from the Japan
66 C172Akula : Great points Kevin. I am simply repeating what I've heard from my source. Of course this could all change overnight with regards to many factors, but
67 Viscount724 : I agree a YYC-NRT route makes no sense based on the lack of O&D demand but I disagree that NRT is not a good connecting gateway. There is an excellen
68 YVR1968 : But this wasn't an additional slot! This was just a tag-on on the YYZ-NRT flight that stopped once a week in YYC. And again, I ask this question to s
69 YVRLTN : South East Asia, not SeaTac
70 Post contains links Thenoflyzone : YUL numbers for 2008 have been officially corrected to 12,813,199, making it the 3rd busiest Canadian airport of 2008. Source: http://www.admtl.com/up
71 Viscount724 : Since AC started service to NRT (which if memory correct was shortly before the AC/CP merger) I can never recall them having more than 2 daily flight
72 Kevin : Connections wise ICN and NRT aare excellent no doubt about that. I am talking price wise. Prices from HKG to many cities in Asia are much cheaper. In
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