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Man Fed Up With Delay: Tries To Leave Plane  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12558 times:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D978JPT80&show_article=1

Apparently the guy was on a DL flight from JFK to LAS and they had been sitting in the taxi-way for several hours waiting for a takeoff slot.

I totally sympathize with this guy. Just yesterday, I was on a somewhat delayed AA flight EWR to MIA and after we pushed back from the gate (about 1 hour late), the captain announced that ATC says we won't take off for at least an hour.

At that point I started looking in my carry-on bag to see if I had any rope with which I could hang myself...  tombstone 

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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12545 times:

He deserves everything he gets. I have no sympathy for him because he's clearly a fool. If he can't handle a delay then he needs to get a grip.

The rest of the plane was waiting for the same length of time, I bet there was some kids on that plane too! They could handle a delay... IDIOT!



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Yea I heard he's a 60 year old man.

But flying out of the New York area what do you expect with HPN, JFK, LGA, TEB, EWR to name a few sharing airspace....the skies are too congested or inclement weather is a nightmare....but what this man did is unacceptable and he ruined it for everybody.



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

"I bet there was some kids on that plane too!"

As if that would be a reason to remain on board interminably? At least the poor slob got off the damned plane and will probably spend less time in jail than he would have in the taxi line.


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12138 times:

I do not get why this person is considered an "idiot". Perhaps it is the other 150 passengers that are the idiots because they put up with this crap...In the old days, a delay meant 15-20 minutes. It did not mean sitting on an aircraft for hours at a time being treated like a caged animal. Twenty Five years ago, airlines would never do what they are doing to passengers today, but we are all expected to just sit there and be abused because it is considered acceptable now? Give me a break...It is this sort of mentality that is allowing the airlines to continue to get away with this sort of treatment.

By the way. I flew 25 years ago. If you were fogged in at LHR, the a/c came back to the gate, off loaded the passengers, fed them and put them in a hotel until the next day and apologized (even though it was beyond their control). Unfortunately though, like everything else in today's disfucional society, we should all just accept mistreatment as the norm. That is why flying is so miserable today...


User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12138 times:

How great for the other pax.

As if waiting isnt bad enough, you start making progress towards takeoff, then have to go back to the gate, just to take this idiot off, and start allllll over again.


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12020 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):
By the way. I flew 25 years ago. If you were fogged in at LHR, the a/c came back to the gate, off loaded the passengers, fed them and put them in a hotel until the next day and apologized (even though it was beyond their control). Unfortunately though, like everything else in today's disfucional society, we should all just accept mistreatment as the norm. That is why flying is so miserable today...

Ya, if you do that now you get swore at, told where to go and other not nice stuff because people don’t want to wait till tomorrow... they want to go NOW! It doesn't matter if there is a large storm over the airport and its hailing, they want to be put on another flight now.

The issue is we have became an instant gratification society... its all about speed and what can I get. Just listen to some of the postings on here... 2 minutes after a flight diverts there is someone on here wanting to know who, what, when, where and why. Sometimes the info just made it into the system. If a flight doesn’t board fast enough people complain, if their bags take 2 minutes more than it took them to walk from the plane to baggage claim they complain.

Oh.... the CO739's don’t have PTVs... my day is totally ruined... or I cant believe I am not upgraded yet... I have been watching it and nothings happened..

Get a grip people, life sucks......just move on. Sit back and relax, don’t plan to arrive into a city 1 hour before the meeting that will save your company because more than likely you will be late.

People say...bring back the fares 25 yrs ago and the experience will be better..... I call BS on that idea because we will still have the type of people flying now. I say bring back the passengers that flew 25 years ago, then maybe the experience will be better....


Chris

P.S. Sorry for the rant.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12015 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 4):
It did not mean sitting on an aircraft for hours at a time being treated like a caged animal.

Exactly right. This "sit on the plane forever" phenomenon is relatively recent. It used to be, you would sit in the gate area. The caged animal analogy is pretty apt. That's how it feels.



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User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11991 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Exactly right. This "sit on the plane forever" phenomenon is relatively recent. It used to be, you would sit in the gate area. The caged animal analogy is pretty apt. That's how it feels.

It started when they stopped allowing aircraft to take off and circle until they could land. I remember back when you could look out the window and see 5-8 planes circling waiting to land. Now ATC gives out a time.... then starts a Ground Stop which voids that time...then clears the ground stop and issues a new time... then as you are ready to go they throw another ground stop on with an hour update time.

Meanwhile the DOT auctions off more slots at JFK, LGA, EWR just adding to the mess.

Chris



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User currently offlineJOEYCAPPS From Italy, joined Jul 2008, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11965 times:



Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 6):

110% agree.

Not just that, but everyone wants to be the first to point fingers. Because in this day and age, no matter what the circumstances (be it weather, murder, or divine intervention) SOMEONE has to be held accountable for EVERYTHING. Its snowing and the runways are iced? Its XYZ Airline's fault. They're incompetant. They didnt tell us when we'd be leaving. As if the airline has a crystal ball?

I get a good kick just listening to fellow pax everytime I fly. They say some of the stupidest, craziest and most rediculous things you'll ever hear.

Fact of the matter is, in the situation in this thread, as well as every other one... There are hundreds of people in the same predicament. Its pointless for one self-proclaimed "passenger rights advocate of flight 200" to challenge airline ops.


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11882 times:

No wonder the guy was from England - it is hardly possible to be stuck for hours on tarmac anywhere in Europe.


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4007 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11727 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 2):
But flying out of the New York area what do you expect with HPN, JFK, LGA, TEB, EWR to name a few

Thats the problem. You live in NYC, and you expect to be delayed on the taxyway. This guy comes from England, and he is not expecting it. Yes we have ground stops and ATC delays, but you usually wait at the gate. Each aircraft has its own take off slot, and starts up and taxies out to meet it. This NYC thing of rows of aircraft standing in line with engines running would not work in Europe. Some environment team would ban it!!!!

So NYC travellers, stop expecting delays, do something about it.


User currently offlineMascmo From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 11702 times:

I sure hope I am not on a plane with him when we get put into holding for and hour or two!!! Who is to say he wont pull a stunt like this in the air?!?!  Wow!

User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11590 times:

There actually once was an incident at TXL where passengers had been kept on an Air Berlin flight for a few hours and some of them actually had to call the local police so they could get off the plane. As far as I remember the police actually did come to "rescue" them.

User currently offline2175301 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1069 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

It is not true that similar delays - with passangers did not happen years ago: I have one very unfond memory of sitting at Atlanta in a Delta flight for hours waiting for takeoff on a hot sunny day - and the cabin heating up as well... in 1995; but that was really very rare, and Delta worked very hard to make ammends (like a free ticket for our troubles).

I do believe that the current situation is a mess and really should not be tolerated. I don't care where you are flying from. Unless there is an emergency or some very unusual event there is no reason that planes should board and leave the gate until they can be moved into a relatively quick take-off slot. Likewise there is no reason for a plane to land - and not be able to relatively quickly taxi to an open gate unless there is some kind of very unusual event (I recall one NW flight a couple of years ago that it took us well over an hour from landing to get to a gate). Its called planning, and I am quite sure that the airlines employ people who can do that if they wanted too.

I don't know anyone who is lining up for a trip and wants to sit on a plane for hours. I do know a lot of people who no longer trust the published schedules of the airlines in the US.

I don't know what the solution is; but I do know that I have extended my driving range out to 12 hours instead of taking a flight - all because I actually get there on time and without hassels (and because by the time I pack for airtravel - checkin early - go through security - wait, etc, etc, land, get my baggage, get a rental car, etc - is far to often a 10+ hour trip anyway).


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11500 times:

The more people there are in the world...the less the quality is going to be.... that's my theory...

space travel now and very soon will be what super luxury airline flying used to be...
and then in 50 years, space travel will be, what we are at now with airline travel....

once you let everyone into the ring, everyone buys a plane, slaps on a logo, claims a unique business and service plan...blah blah...

nowadays you should just be lucky to get to where you're going in this world with all that's going on !!



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User currently offlineCarlisle From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 271 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

I must admit that the guy is utterly mad for doing such a thing (maybe another great example of an attention seeker?) On the other hand, I want to give this gentleman the benefit of the doubt as the flight originated in FCO. (http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=15563174) I would want to leave the plane just as much as he after being on the aircraft for that long. The least the flight crew could do would be to let me go into the flight deck and let me have a looksy.  Wink

Cheers,
Jeremy Carlisle



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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11237 times:



Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
I totally sympathize with this guy. Just yesterday, I was on a somewhat delayed AA flight EWR to MIA and after we pushed back from the gate (about 1 hour late), the captain announced that ATC says we won't take off for at least an hour.

At that point I started looking in my carry-on bag to see if I had any rope with which I could hang myself..

So you're saying you couldn't survive a trans-continental flight? Say EWR-DEN? That's about an hour longer. And I guess you'll never fly all the way to the west coast? Or Europe? Wow, you've really limited yourself.

Okay seriously, I understand your planned flight didn't include the extra hour...but shit happens that is out of the airline's control. So what if you're in the aircraft for an hour longer.


User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11116 times:



Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 15):
The more people there are in the world...the less the quality is going to be.... that's my theory...

Precisely. More people = more demand for flights = more flights = more ATC delays. Not a whole lot that can (or at least, will be) done about it, though.
* Next-gen ATC is years away
* The trend of many frequent flights isn't going away, because it's the kind of thing that would require airlines to work in concert - otherwise the first one to stick its neck out is the one to get its head cut off.
* The "wayport" idea would reduce air congestion, but would also cost billions and increase travel time, so it will never get off the ground
* I favor the idea of using high speed rail for trips under about 300nm and aircraft for trips longer than that, but these systems can't be dropped into place overnight. Here in the US, the Midwest High Speed Rail Initiative has something like a 12-year buildout plan, with no set start date, and you know in this litigious society if and when they do start it's going to be delayed by years and years.
* Population certainly isn't going to plateau anytime soon

I hate to sound pessimistic, but I don't see a solution.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10895 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 11):

Thats the problem. You live in NYC, and you expect to be delayed on the taxyway. This guy comes from England, and he is not expecting it. Yes we have ground stops and ATC delays, but you usually wait at the gate. Each aircraft has its own take off slot, and starts up and taxies out to meet it. This NYC thing of rows of aircraft standing in line with engines running would not work in Europe. Some environment team would ban it!!!!

So NYC travellers, stop expecting delays, do something about it.

Nope. They won't. And this is one of myriad reasons why I believe the U.S. is a crumbling nation. We can't even pay attention to our own infrastructure.

While in Europe, people handle issues like this, in the U.S. slot-control is "uncompetitive" and "socialist" and all the airlines wail and complain like they have some god-given right to clog JFK-SFO with FIFTY 737s/A320s every day.

American complacency and unwillingness to fix our own problems is going to be our downfall.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10797 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 17):
So you're saying you couldn't survive a trans-continental flight? Say EWR-DEN? That's about an hour longer. And I guess you'll never fly all the way to the west coast? Or Europe? Wow, you've really limited yourself.

Hahaha.... no...... I fly transcon MIA-LAX all the time.... and it's always ON-time and usually early gettting into LAX.

And yeah, it wasn't the greatest having to sit an extra hour and a half in the AA Flagship Suite at LHR while they had to fix something on the plane before we could begin the 10 hour flight back to MIA, but it was a quite civilized experience.

What sucks is, as someone pointed out earlier, that you are basically a caged animal once they close the door and push you back and you have absolutely no idea of when you will actually be let out. Will it be the stated 45 minute wait on the ground? Will it be extended another 45 minutes? Will it be extended another 2 hours?

It's the uncertainty of the whole thing that really bugs me - especially since, in my view, the pax could be kept in the gate area until the flight gets their ATC slot (which happens, I believe, 30 minutes before the wheels up time?), load the pax, push back, taxi out and take off.


User currently offlineTonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

I have 100% sympathy for this guy. There should be a rule that 60 minutes is the maximum time allowed for a 'delay'. This equates to false imprisonment. If I walk into a restaurant and have to sit for hours before getting served, I have the right take my business elsewhere.
What this guy did was wrong, but somewhere along this line, the airlines are violating
peoples' right by making them sit in a seat for hours with they're seatbelts on.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9842 times:



Quoting Tonyban (Reply 21):
I have 100% sympathy for this guy. There should be a rule that 60 minutes is the maximum time allowed for a 'delay'. This equates to false imprisonment

While I have sympathy, it isn't 100%. However, I do think incidents like this point to overcrowding of skies and mis-managment of gates. I think the US need to do what Europe has done -- move to a pax bill of rights.

Article said only "hours" delay, but doesn't specify where (or at least not that I noticed).

If the delay is going to be "hours" the plane should simply not be allowed to push off. Better to let people walk around, eat, go to the bathroom....

But, it comes down also, to the fact we have to stop adding flights to over crowed airports. But how to make that happen is another drama.

Dave



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Not clear how long these people had been on the plane.

The longest that I can recall was 1 hour at ATH in 1995. According to the pilot, everyone had to wait until OA went first.

I am constantly amazed at the willingness of passengers to be treated worse than cargo.

On another thread, someone seemed to be saying that delays up to 6 hours are acceptable.

I can only say that some carriers have had it too easy for too long.


User currently offlineSuseJ772 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 819 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8890 times:



Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 6):
The issue is we have became an instant gratification society... its all about speed and what can I get.

I agree completely. The people I feel most sorry for are gate agents and flight attendants. They have to deal with all that crap!

Quoting N62NA (Reply 20):
It's the uncertainty of the whole thing that really bugs me

I agree. If you could tell me for sure that we are leaving in 45 minutes, no problem. But the it is the idea that 45 minutes could turn into two hours or more that mentally is a killer.



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25 Litz : I had a similar incident several years back, when I was still traveling for work. Long, long delay (mechanical, it turned out) in Melbourne, FL ... t
26 WNCrew : No need to apologize, I personally couldn't agree with you more!!!!! The problem is people who already live within this mentality will NEVER see them
27 DocLightning : I agree, but also the U.S. needs to partially re-regulate the industry to stop the over-congestion. Slots at congested airports need to be limited. I
28 CO787EWR : IIRC arent the NYC airports limited to a certain number of takeoffs and landings per hour...
29 IAirAllie : Some things in life are uncertain, it sucks, deal with it. The airline cannot give you answers that do not exist. I'd rather not be held in the gaten
30 N62NA : Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily have to be that way with regards to the issue of flight delays and keeping pax on the plane pushed back 20 feet from
31 Warren84 : Seriously? I'd rather be able to eat and drink, go to the bathroom whenever I want, and if need be just give up and go home or find some other way ou
32 DocLightning : Yup, but when it becomes routine, it's a problem. Delays like this at NYC airports aren't the exception, they are the norm. I have had ONE on-time de
33 764 : Well, I think this problem could easily be alleviated if airlines were required to serve passengers complimentary beverages at least every 30 minutes
34 Irishmd11 : Are you joking mate? I remember, due to a freak snowfall, sitting on board an Aer Lingus A320 for more than 3 hours after boarding, before we finally
35 WNCrew : Yes, while the passengers stroll the terminals full of knowledge, ever-expanding intelligence, empathy, understanding and patience..... puh-leeze! I
36 Davescj : A crew member said, someone else is always blamed. I would agree. That's what we hear about. In part, because we live in a BLAME BLAME BLAME society.
37 XJetflyer : I don't think he's an idiot if your sitting on a plane for several hours. I think sitting for an hour or two is not fun but acceptable. If your trying
38 IAirAllie : BTW when ever I hear of an onboard delay of any length I immediately do a water service and hand deliver other drinks on demand. If the delay grows I
39 Hiflyer : Classic story..even made Life Magazine...lady on a DC10 LGA to PBI in snowstorm had a few cocktails....flight delayed out on the field due to weather.
40 AirframeAS : Isnt that already in the passenger bill of rights? Does anyone remember that incident where the AA aircraft was on the ground for 6 hours or so durin
41 WNCrew : Because that gate is already being utilized by another aircraft and so on and so forth...
42 IAirAllie : It isn't that simple. It would be that simple if there were no more than one aircraft per gate, all gates and all equipment were universal (ie worked
43 Acabgd : Hey, "freak snowfall" is something only a blind guy could not see out of his window. There's really not much an airline can do at that point. As far
44 Mir : The uncertainty does suck. But it's nowhere near as simple as you make it out to be. Wheels-up times can change frequently without warning, and I cer
45 Post contains links PPVRA : And I just wrote the following a few hours ago. . . http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4369148/ Point #2 is especially a
46 Osiris30 : Respectfully, welcome to the service sector. You signed up to deal with people and people have been like that for a while in some places. Now, having
47 Post contains links PPVRA : http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...05-22-travel-delays-billions_N.htm Unfortunately, merely limiting frequencies won't achieve desired results (o
48 TristarSteve : Easy. Start charging per movement, so you pay the same fees for a 50 seat Commutor as a Widebody. Airlines would soon see the sense of operating wide
49 Osiris30 : Ahh but then you get John Q Public complaining to his Senator because his piss-ant airport doesn't have 9x daily service to JFK anymore. I don't disa
50 Dc863 : Any of the older Anetters recall the story about the Eastern DC--9 Captain who taxied his plane back to the gate from the taxiway after several hours
51 WNCrew : So once your plane leaves the gate... and then comes back because of the delay, where's that next inbound plane that is scheduled to be using your ga
52 Acabgd : Exactly my point. There was a discussion here recently about why we don't see widebodies on the US domestic routes anymore (almost none). Everyone po
53 Burkhard : This example clearly shows that the concept of small planes high frequency has filed. The only solution is larger planes, lower frequency and code sha
54 Mir : Now tell me where all the arrivals are going to go when the gates are full of planes who are getting delayed. Two completely different scenarios, wit
55 Osiris30 : It's called capacity planning. You face the exact same problem right now, except now the planes are made to sit on the taxiway to solve it. Instead i
56 Oa260 : It said ''an hours delay'' . Was it one hour or 7 hours??
57 Mir : Article says more than two and a half hours. The flight then returned to the gate and was cancelled, stranding the 146 passengers. I'm sure the words
58 Post contains images PPVRA :                   Fixing this is so straight-forward it's ridiculous. But as Osires30 said, politics won't let it be done.[Edited 2009-04
59 IAirAllie : Damned if you do damned if you don't. The crew probably timed out once they pulled back to the gate. That is probably why they didn't return to the g
60 N62NA : While I don't fly to NYC every week, I do every month or so and I've found that there's only ONE flight that seems to get me there on time consistent
61 PPVRA : Nope, from the article I posted: It can if we have a variable price landing fee system that goes up with traffic. As for connections, it will decreas
62 Robsaw : There is right/wrong and in-between. Somewhere between 1 or 2 hours and 7 or 8 or more hours there is a point where people on the plane are no longer
63 PPVRA : The time probably varies from situation to situation. But I agree, after some point, it becomes involuntary confinement or imprisonment. The airline
64 Gabrielz : We don't have all the details, but I'm of the opinion that the prosecutor will have difficulty convicting if the pax is reasonably sane, the delay was
65 Jfernandez : I still remember sitting on the Delta shuttle BOS-LGA sometime in the late 80's or early 90's where we spent 6 1/2 hours on the ground at BOS stuck i
66 OA260 : I think there should be a max of two hours before the A/C must return to the gate and passengers who want off should have the legal right to disembar
67 IAirAllie : Yeah, um... that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I am not talking about airline industry revenue but the economic value derived from i
68 N62NA : I didn't fall asleep reading it at all. But under your "What can be done" list, it doesn't really seem like there's much that can be done that would
69 TheCommodore : After reading all the post's on this thread, I can't believe there isn't a system in place to allow passengers to disembark the plane, after a period
70 PPVRA : There's no efficiency in air travel right now. I doubt there would be a big impact on efficiency as far as frequencies go if Delta would to cut ATL-D
71 WNCrew : Well, unless crew rest and duty regs change or unless ticket prices go up enough to not only keep the airlines profitable but also to pay for more re
72 PPVRA : My internet was crapping out so I have to do this in two posts. Some PTP might develop bypassing NYC, but I agree that new ones might be few. On the o
73 Mir : Entirely possible. Those affect arrivals, certainly, but they tend not to affect departures (except for flights delayed due to the aircraft arriving
74 N62NA : And if that actually happened, I bet EWR would go back to being a near ghost-town again (slight exaggeration). Does anyone know what % of trips taken
75 PPVRA : Part of that reason I removed that quote from my post. The point here is to reduce frequencies, not necessarily connections.[Edited 2009-04-01 17:12:
76 Alias1024 : So I'm sitting second in line for takeoff after having my wheels up time pushed back 3 times at the two hour mark. It will be another 3 minutes until
77 Ncfc99 : What are the arguments against slot controling the NYC airports that are stopping it from happening? The airlines would save money by not having to bu
78 Irishmd11 : Dear aviation friend, The "freak" snowfall had started some time before I arrived at DUB for check-in. The authorities asked us to board our A320 to
79 AirframeAS : There is always a gate open, it does not have to be the one that the aircraft itself departed from. Never said it was. That is why airlines have to h
80 Acabgd : I mentioned NYC as this topic covers the delay in NYC, actually JFK. I understand very well you were talking about your experience in DUB with a "fre
81 Mir : Sometimes, at JFK, there isn't. Several of the terminals have aircraft sitting on all the gates during rush hour. DL and B6 were notorious for this p
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