MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10412 times:
ZA001 has been out of the paint shop for a while, as has been confirmed, but she's sitting under wraps in building 40-24 and has yet to make a public appearance in her new clothes. I'd say this foretells something big. The question is, "is 'big' a good thing or a bad thing"?
Well after the last few yrs everybody deserves a party.
First flight was moved from April 09 to late June 09. Delivery in Feb /Q1 2010 has become an illusion IMO, however not announced yet. Few people will be surprised & first flight will compensate a lot. Maybe they''ll silently remove the Dreamliner name from the campaign and just go Boeing 787..
EBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10026 times:
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1): If it were good, then surely it would be another new Boeing house livery as has been predicted on here.
My ten bucks is on the latter. Please let them just fly the damn thing!
The advantage of a new house livery is that it might diminish the memories of what's transpired thus far in the program. The "old" livery, while attractive, carries with it the visual recollections of how the program has progressed to date. New liveries are supposed to reflect a "new" image and, frankly, that's what the 787 program needs at this point.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9545 times:
Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4): I'd heard something about it undergoing factory gauntlet testing first of April. Setting up for that?
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11): WellI have heard that factory gauntlet testing is supposed to take place on April 10th and the move out to the flight line should be on April 13th. Take it with a grain of salt.
And since the factory gauntlet test evidently intentionally fails a number of systems to see how the plane responds, I would expect the plane needs to be prepared to record the results of such a test, which would explain why she's squirreled-away in the main assembly building.
IAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8576 times:
I'm just gonna jump in here on a few counts.
1. This airplane will absolutely 100% still be called the Dreamliner for a long time.
2. I can confirm the paint job is exactly as it was before. However, the wings are sparkling white now, not gray. It was parked next to 777F #1 and they looked like siblings.
3. The question is what colors does #7 wear for ANA? It's definitely going to have a special 787 tail, what about the fuselage?
All I'm saying is don't forget to pay your taxes because you're too busy looking at a new airplane out in the sunshine.
Former FlightBlogger turned Wall Street Journal Aerospace Beat Reporter
Heavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 795 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7245 times:
The B 787 Dreamliner is about as dreamy as Eastern Airlines B 727 Whisperjets were quiet. It is more like it has become a nightmare for some. Can't name the plane like this, so best get rid of names and call it the Boeing 787.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." (Albert Einstein, 1879
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6544 times:
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17): 1. This airplane will absolutely 100% still be called the Dreamliner for a long time.
I guess so, its not even under Boeings control.
As you say the livery will stay, its a nice new one just no need to adjust. It will be replaced by airline liveries next yr.
I can imagine Boeing marketing is thinking about a way to give the campaign a fresh look, supported by flying 787 pictures / clips etc. Using -Boeing 787- instead of -Dreamliner- seems a logical way forward.
-Dreamliner- did its job in mobilizing the masses but gained a Disney feeling through the years in the industry. Boeing might opt to no longer actively use it. Boeing 787 might look more business like, building on the Boeing brand and the more operational perception of that identifyer.
If you knew that, you could make quite a lot of money. Since there's still come major milestones to go, according to Flightblogger's latest, it's a safe bet that even Boeing doesn't know exactly when first flight will be right now.
Exactly, BA is a pretty safe bet for the near term if you can afford the $35 PPS buy-in.
Quoting Keesje (Reply 22): -Dreamliner- did its job in mobilizing the masses but gained a Disney feeling through the years in the industry. Boeing might opt to no longer actively use it. Boeing 787 might look more business like, building on the Boeing brand and the more operational perception of that identifyer.
The same could be said about the "XWB" in A350XWB. It's only "extra-wide" in comparison to the old A350, there are other airliners that are substantially wider. They're marketing buzzwords and they're not going anywhere any time soon.
[Edited 2009-04-01 18:16:05]
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: I'm just thinking out loud here, but would Boeing be planning to unveil TWO 787s at the same time, just to make a big splash after such a long delay?
: Seaking of, where's the Captain been lately? I miss him, he's the Nostradamus of the airline industry!
: No news from CaptainX is good news for the 787 program, so maybe this time it's going to happen...
: I think that Boeing is less concerned about unveilings than getting these puppies in the air...at least I hope they are. After so many things have go
: All true, but isn't Part147's scenario plausible, since ZA002 has to complete substantial tests before 001 can fly?
: If it happens, I think it will be more coincidental than planned.
: I seem to remember the wings were white when LN1 was rolled out in 2007
: Yes they were. As was the horizontal stabilizer. The slats/leading edges were a light grey, but the flaps and elevators were white. [Edited 2009-04-0
: Yet another interesting piece by Jon "ANA to take most of China's early Dreamliners, first six test 787s unallocated" http://www.flightglobal.com/blog
: Could you elaborate on just what tests would be required on 002 before 001 could fly? And why they simply could not run those tests on 001?
: Ground vibration testing must be done on 002 before 001 can fly. I don't know why it's 002 exactly, just that Boeing has set this as a milestone.
: I expected NH would be interested in some of the early birds so nice to see that now effectively confirmed. I would not be surprised if they do take Z
: I will take you word for it but make absolutely no sense.