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3/31: Do You Know Where Your 787 Is?  
User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10472 times:

ZA001 has been out of the paint shop for a while, as has been confirmed, but she's sitting under wraps in building 40-24 and has yet to make a public appearance in her new clothes. I'd say this foretells something big. The question is, "is 'big' a good thing or a bad thing"?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

Hmmm.

If it were big/bad it would be another delay, as CaptainX foretold in his prophecies.

If it were good, then surely it would be another new Boeing house livery as has been predicted on here.

My ten bucks is on the latter. Please let them just fly the damn thing!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10321 times:
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After spending all that coin advertising the "Dreamliner Livery" on everything, why all of a sudden change it?

It's not like a new livery is going to make everyone forgive and forget the problems bringing her into the sun in the first place...


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10284 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
fter spending all that coin advertising the "Dreamliner Livery" on everything, why all of a sudden change it?

It's not like a new livery is going to make everyone forgive and forget the problems bringing her into the sun in the first place...

It cant be another delay, surely? Can it?

I reckon its just that they are keeping her out of the way - nothing in it at all.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

I'd heard something about it undergoing factory gauntlet testing first of April. Setting up for that?


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10217 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
I reckon its just that they are keeping her out of the way - nothing in it at all.

 checkmark  Just some last-minute touches before she rolls out to the apron to begin ground tests.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10217 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Thread starter):
The question is, "is 'big' a good thing or a bad thing"?

Well after the last few yrs everybody deserves a party.

First flight was moved from April 09 to late June 09. Delivery in Feb /Q1 2010 has become an illusion IMO, however not announced yet. Few people will be surprised & first flight will compensate a lot. Maybe they''ll silently remove the Dreamliner name from the campaign and just go Boeing 787..


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

After all the delays, I would think that they are very carefully going over the plane to make sure everything that needs to be done, is done right.

Once this thing sees the light of day, they don't want to have a single misstep.

Boeing may have learned prudence late, but better late than never, eh...?



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10086 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
If it were good, then surely it would be another new Boeing house livery as has been predicted on here.

My ten bucks is on the latter. Please let them just fly the damn thing!

The advantage of a new house livery is that it might diminish the memories of what's transpired thus far in the program. The "old" livery, while attractive, carries with it the visual recollections of how the program has progressed to date. New liveries are supposed to reflect a "new" image and, frankly, that's what the 787 program needs at this point.



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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10011 times:

I may be dreaming, but is it possible the 787 "might" make a first flight before June?


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9941 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
After spending all that coin advertising the "Dreamliner Livery" on everything, why all of a sudden change it?

 checkmark  Boeing kept the Red-White-and-Blue theme for more than a quarter century. I don't see them ditching the Dreamliner theme for some time.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

WellI have heard that factory gauntlet testing is supposed to take place on April 10th and the move out to the flight line should be on April 13th. Take it with a grain of salt.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9605 times:
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Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I'd heard something about it undergoing factory gauntlet testing first of April. Setting up for that?



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
WellI have heard that factory gauntlet testing is supposed to take place on April 10th and the move out to the flight line should be on April 13th. Take it with a grain of salt.

And since the factory gauntlet test evidently intentionally fails a number of systems to see how the plane responds, I would expect the plane needs to be prepared to record the results of such a test, which would explain why she's squirreled-away in the main assembly building.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9506 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
After spending all that coin advertising the "Dreamliner Livery" on everything, why all of a sudden change it?

It's not like a new livery is going to make everyone forgive and forget the problems bringing her into the sun in the first place...

I dunno - most airlines seem to think it makes a difference.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 10):
checkmark Boeing kept the Red-White-and-Blue theme for more than a quarter century. I don't see them ditching the Dreamliner theme for some time.

Maybe it'll sport shark teeth!


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
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Quoting Khobar (Reply 13):
I dunno - most airlines seem to think it makes a difference.

Yes, but they usually actually fly planes in the new livery for awhile before they change it again.  Wink


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9097 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Yes, but they usually actually fly planes in the new livery for awhile before they change it again. Wink

Well, the Dreamliner is no different. I'm sure it flies around in many dreams.  Wink

To Boeing, it was like the comfort of counting sheep. To Airbus it buzzed around like a mosquito. Now it seems to both of them like a big bumble bee that keeps running into a window trying to get out.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2557 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9006 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Please let them just fly the damn thing!

 checkmark   checkmark  Really - get this beauty in the air where she belongs!!!!

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
Maybe they''ll silently remove the Dreamliner name

I can't see that happening. While the repeated delays have become anything but a dream for Boeing and the airlines, I think the name is too ingrained in the progream to drop it now.


User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 502 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

I'm just gonna jump in here on a few counts.

1. This airplane will absolutely 100% still be called the Dreamliner for a long time.
2. I can confirm the paint job is exactly as it was before. However, the wings are sparkling white now, not gray. It was parked next to 777F #1 and they looked like siblings.
3. The question is what colors does #7 wear for ANA? It's definitely going to have a special 787 tail, what about the fuselage?

All I'm saying is don't forget to pay your taxes because you're too busy looking at a new airplane out in the sunshine.

Onward,

IAD787



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8472 times:



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17):

Thanks for the update, Jon, and the "subtle" hints.  Big grin

I can't wait to see the white wings. That ought to add some serious contrast should look stunning.  Smile



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User currently offlineMattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8413 times:



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17):
It was parked next to 777F #1 and they looked like siblings.

Not quite, the 777 freighter had a white rudder



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

G'day

The B 787 Dreamliner is about as dreamy as Eastern Airlines B 727 Whisperjets were quiet. It is more like it has become a nightmare for some. Can't name the plane like this, so best get rid of names and call it the Boeing 787.  Smile


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6841 times:

I'll be so pleased when they finally do let her fly.

Its been a nightmarish two years and the longer it goes on the more unpleasant things have been on here. I cant wait to get a ride on one ASAP.

When exactly is the first flight? I might go to Seatlle to watch it if i have time - its going to be a landmark moment.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6604 times:



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17):
1. This airplane will absolutely 100% still be called the Dreamliner for a long time.

I guess so, its not even under Boeings control.

As you say the livery will stay, its a nice new one just no need to adjust. It will be replaced by airline liveries next yr.



I can imagine Boeing marketing is thinking about a way to give the campaign a fresh look, supported by flying 787 pictures / clips etc. Using -Boeing 787- instead of -Dreamliner- seems a logical way forward.

-Dreamliner- did its job in mobilizing the masses but gained a Disney feeling through the years in the industry. Boeing might opt to no longer actively use it. Boeing 787 might look more business like, building on the Boeing brand and the more operational perception of that identifyer.


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4426 times:



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 21):

When exactly is the first flight?

If you knew that, you could make quite a lot of money. Since there's still come major milestones to go, according to Flightblogger's latest, it's a safe bet that even Boeing doesn't know exactly when first flight will be right now.

Tom.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 23):
If you knew that, you could make quite a lot of money.

Exactly, BA is a pretty safe bet for the near term if you can afford the $35 PPS buy-in.  

Quoting Keesje (Reply 22):
-Dreamliner- did its job in mobilizing the masses but gained a Disney feeling through the years in the industry. Boeing might opt to no longer actively use it. Boeing 787 might look more business like, building on the Boeing brand and the more operational perception of that identifyer.

The same could be said about the "XWB" in A350XWB. It's only "extra-wide" in comparison to the old A350, there are other airliners that are substantially wider. They're marketing buzzwords and they're not going anywhere any time soon.  Smile

[Edited 2009-04-01 18:16:05]


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25 Part147 : I'm just thinking out loud here, but would Boeing be planning to unveil TWO 787s at the same time, just to make a big splash after such a long delay?
26 MCIGuy : Seaking of, where's the Captain been lately? I miss him, he's the Nostradamus of the airline industry!
27 Stitch : No news from CaptainX is good news for the 787 program, so maybe this time it's going to happen...
28 JoeCanuck : I think that Boeing is less concerned about unveilings than getting these puppies in the air...at least I hope they are. After so many things have go
29 MCIGuy : All true, but isn't Part147's scenario plausible, since ZA002 has to complete substantial tests before 001 can fly?
30 JoeCanuck : If it happens, I think it will be more coincidental than planned.
31 Rheinbote : I seem to remember the wings were white when LN1 was rolled out in 2007
32 Post contains images Stitch : Yes they were. As was the horizontal stabilizer. The slats/leading edges were a light grey, but the flaps and elevators were white. [Edited 2009-04-0
33 Post contains links and images Rheinbote : Yet another interesting piece by Jon "ANA to take most of China's early Dreamliners, first six test 787s unallocated" http://www.flightglobal.com/blog
34 474218 : Could you elaborate on just what tests would be required on 002 before 001 could fly? And why they simply could not run those tests on 001?
35 MCIGuy : Ground vibration testing must be done on 002 before 001 can fly. I don't know why it's 002 exactly, just that Boeing has set this as a milestone.
36 Stitch : I expected NH would be interested in some of the early birds so nice to see that now effectively confirmed. I would not be surprised if they do take Z
37 474218 : I will take you word for it but make absolutely no sense.
38 0NEWAIR0 : One of the best comments, ever!
39 Osiris30 : Likely different instrumentation load outs on the two frames. LN002 likely has more vibration monitoring test equipment, while LN001 has more aero mo
40 Tdscanuck : Well, they've got six in the factory that are actually sitting on wheels (you can see four of them on the public tour, and the other two must be in t
41 Post contains links HB-IWC : Please continue the discussion in the following thread on a similar topic: Flightblogger: ANA Taking Most Of The First 787... This thread is archived
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