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Emirates To Launch Luanda, Angola  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 43
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9348 times:

Dear All,

According to the GDS which is also validated on http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...tes-launch-luanda-from-aug-09.html

EK will be launching new 3 weekly nonstop flights to LAD from its DXB hub effective August 2009. A 3 class A 332 will be used.

Days of operations are TUE THU SUN

EK 791 Dep DXB 1050 Arr 1550
EK 792 Dep LAD 1800 Arr DXB 0500+1

FYI, I believe that Angola has now overtaken Nigeria as the top oil exporter in Africa and is considered by LH/AF/TAP one of the highest yielding African routes.

EK will definitely get a lot of high yielding J and F class paying passengers from IAH, JFK, LHR, FRA, HKG, Japan, PEK, PVG and Saudi Arabia on this route. Chinese investment in LAD has boomed in the last 2 years.

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User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9289 times:

EK will make good money on this flight, very surprised they got 3 per week to LAD. ET is restricted to 3 a week into LAD and the flights are always full. Will EK layover the crew in LAD?

User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9228 times:

Aeroflot is upgrading LAD to a non - stop 767 instead of a TU154 with a stop in Jeddah. Angola must be prospering since there is such a need in air travel. Good to see at least someone doing well.

User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9212 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
EK will definitely get a lot of high yielding J and F class paying passengers from IAH, JFK, LHR, FRA,

Why would people from IAH,JFK,LHR or FRA connect in DXB while there are direct flights, or flights with a much shorter travel time?

LHR-DXB-LAD = 3421 miles + 3681 miles= 7002 miles
LHR-LAD (direct) = 4234 miles.



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9185 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
Why would people from IAH,JFK,LHR or FRA connect in DXB while there are direct flights, or flights with a much shorter travel time?

Freq Flyers might want to stick to a single airline. And with the premium product that EK offers, a few extra hours in the sky or in the new T3 will def not hurt.


User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1650 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

I was just mention to someone the other day that Angola is one of the most restricted countries out there. AF has an extremely low frequency but makes a hell of dough from it since the yields are so strong. I know from general memory that this is true for everyone operating into LAD (correct me if I'm wrong or over-generalizing)
It's great that EK will tap into a growing market, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this go to 77W in the near future. Call me crazy but in the medium-term, and if EK plays it right, LAD could be an A380 city.
Worth mentioning tha TAAG Angonlan at one point served DXB (whether it still does now, I don't know) so the agreement must have been in place for several years.


User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9126 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 5):
Angola is one of the most restricted countries out there.

Except for TP they have between 5 and 7 flights per week from LIS to LAD with A343.


User currently offlineTp777 From Portugal, joined Oct 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

TP serves LAD dailly with A343 as one of the highest yelds/route

Regards
TP777



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9002 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
According to the GDS which is also validated on http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200....html

I don't see this on AMADEUS for the end of August.

I find the details a little hard to believe, actually. Why would EK send the smallest plane in their fleet to surely the most lucrative station in the world? It doesn't make sense to me.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8786 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
Why would people from IAH,JFK,LHR or FRA connect in DXB while there are direct flights, or flights with a much shorter travel time?

Travel time is not much longer via DXB when you consider that the typical N.America flight arrives in Europe early in the morning and the flights to LAD depart late at night. Depending on your flights you could be sitting as much as 15 hours on the ground in Europe waiting for your connection to LAD. And with the exception of TP, most airlines only offer a once weekly flight, IIRC.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 4):
Freq Flyers might want to stick to a single airline. And with the premium product that EK offers, a few extra hours in the sky or in the new T3 will def not hurt.

Nevertheless I don't think there will be that much people flying EK between N.Amrica and LAD. If this news is true (It's April 1st after all), I think the European carriers will be the most affected because EK may offer a much better alternative to travel between Asia and Angola.

Quoting Tp777 (Reply 7):
TP serves LAD dailly with A343 as one of the highest yelds/route

Starting in June TP will offer 10 weekly flights between LIS and LAD.


User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8672 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
I find the details a little hard to believe, actually. Why would EK send the smallest plane in their fleet to surely the most lucrative station in the world? It doesn't make sense to me.

Well i would say; just check the website of emirates, it's there and you can book it, only with restriction that it's depending on governmental approval.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
Travel time is not much longer via DXB when you consider that the typical N.America flight arrives in Europe early in the morning and the flights to LAD depart late at night. And with the exception of TP, most airlines only offer a once weekly flight, IIRC.

You're right, i didn't know that!  Smile

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
most airlines only offer a once weekly flight, IIRC.

AF, SN are twice/week, BA, LH are once/week



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8535 times:



Quoting Severnaya (Reply 10):
Well i would say; just check the website of emirates, it's there and you can book it, only with restriction that it's depending on governmental approval.

It appears to be on the timetable, but LUANDA is not on their drop-down menu for new bookings.


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8495 times:



Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
find the details a little hard to believe, actually. Why would EK send the smallest plane in their fleet to surely the most lucrative station in the world? It doesn't make sense to me.

Wouldn't be surprised if they switch aircraft types soon after launch, or even before. They will definatly compete with ET on the LAD-DXB and LAD-Asia sector.......But i think there is room for both airlines to do very well out of LAD


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11415 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8451 times:
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Very good news for Africa and LAD. Angola is really growing a lot and there's a lot of corporations with strong activity in LAD area, specially oil, mining and heavy construction.
No doubt this will be a very good route with high yields.

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
FYI, I believe that Angola has now overtaken Nigeria as the top oil exporter in Africa and is considered by LH/AF/TAP one of the highest yielding African routes.

Not only because of that but as i mentioned is one of the fast growing countries in the world, plenty of opportunities in develop a market full of basic needs. Angola is also increasing frequencies to Brazil again, now will be a daily flight and it's expected to begin a Luanda-São Paulo flight up to the end of may. Considering a huge number of workers from China and the fact that China and some other countries are investing a lot in Angola, EK would be able to take strong advantage of this traffic.



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User currently offlineZizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1535 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8413 times:

I read that China has quite few investments in Angola and general business interests too in the country. Perhaps EK can tap into the China-Angola market

User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

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User currently offlineEMB170 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Whatever happened to DL's planned one stop ATL-SID-LAD on the 757? Is that still going to run or has DL axed it?


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User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1105 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Emirates will do very well on this route IMO.

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 5):
Worth mentioning tha TAAG Angonlan at one point served DXB (whether it still does now, I don't know) so the agreement must have been in place for several years.

TAAG still serves DXB 2X weekly with the 777-200ER. They are upgrading it to 3X weekly this summer. Surprisingly, TAAG's product is actually better than EK's will be on the DXB-LAD route. TAAG has flat seats in J, which is something EK doesn't have on their A330-200's. I assume the DT and EK flights will operate on separate days allowing for a total of 6 weekly flights from DXB to LAD.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

World for Sonair flies IAH-LAD nonstop now on a scheduled charter three times weekly for members of the oil business. It is a popular route. I doubt many in IAH would go to DXB just to backtrack to LAD.

I am sure DXB LAD is a good route for other connectors but IAH is doubtful unless there are a few really loyal EK flyers out there.



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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7834 times:



Quoting Dkny (Reply 1):
Will EK layover the crew in LAD?

Given that the flight is in the region of 7 hours (approx 3,700miles) and crew rest facilities on the A330 is limited (i.e. pretty much none), most probably.

Most flights on EK over 3.5-4 hours are usually layovers.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7795 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 18):
World for Sonair flies IAH-LAD nonstop now on a scheduled charter three times weekly for members of the oil business. It is a popular route. I doubt many in IAH would go to DXB just to backtrack to LAD.

I am sure DXB LAD is a good route for other connectors but IAH is doubtful unless there are a few really loyal EK flyers out there.

My brother works in the oil business in Houston and he goes to LAD a lot...seats are in such demand sometimes he has to fly IAH-CDG--Casablanca- Gabon-LAD...very seldom does he get on the Sonair flight.

Based on the above itinerary I am sure he will welcome EK



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4862 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7717 times:



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 4):
Freq Flyers might want to stick to a single airline. And with the premium product that EK offers, a few extra hours in the sky or in the new T3 will def not hurt.

I doubt there are too many dedicated EK only flyers in NYC  Smile

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2844 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

Another key oil business link between Africa and the Middle East. Quite a slow year for Emirates with only Durban and Luanda coming online thus far...
Oh and let's hope DL is still coming to Luanda!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24760 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7636 times:



Quoting AirIndia (Reply 4):
Quoting Severnaya (Reply 3):
Why would people from IAH,JFK,LHR or FRA connect in DXB while there are direct flights, or flights with a much shorter travel time?

Freq Flyers might want to stick to a single airline. And with the premium product that EK offers, a few extra hours in the sky or in the new T3 will def not hurt.

DXB-LAD is about 200 nm further than JFK-LHR and EK's A330 J class product isn't what I would call "premium" with 7-abreast seating. I can't think of any other A330/340 operators with 7-abreast in business class.


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7405 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 19):

Given that the flight is in the region of 7 hours (approx 3,700miles) and crew rest facilities on the A330 is limited (i.e. pretty much none), most probably.

Most flights on EK over 3.5-4 hours are usually layovers.

Just wish they would build some more hotels there... Every time we fly there we always have to go through hoops to get a few rooms. The three places to stay there are almost always sold out unless you book months in advance


25 LipeGIG : That's the problem of fast growing. Hotels, Restaurants, all infra structure sucks and need major investments!
26 MHTripple7 : There are actually 3 weekly direct flights from PEK to LAD at the moment. Two of them are nonstops on DT and the other one is an HU flight via DXB. B
27 Bdak : Apologies for veering off on a tangent, but does anyone know why the once-weekly BA flight stays on the ground in LUN for 19 hours? And do the crew st
28 ATLFlyer323 : It is a shame that TAAG cannot take advantage of a time when they have a city that apparently is in such demand.... ~Brandon
29 CityofAthens : BA crew operate the same inbound/outbound service, with minimum rest (12 hours or so) in the Presidente Meridian Hotel in Luanda .....putting up the
30 SAS-A321 : When I flew with TP in March the flight was only half full and I have heard from collegues that they have also experienced half full TP flights. I ha
31 Speedbird741 : Great news for both EK and LAD. They surely will make a hell of a profit out of this route, and a I hope and think it will very quickly change to a 77
32 Behramjee : EK's DXB-LAD-DXB flight timing only allows a connection with IAH on the outbound sector from LAD. On the inbound from IAH, you need to take an overnig
33 AF022 : EK obviously realizes this, so why not load it as a 77W from the get-go? I still find this a bit suspicious.
34 LipeGIG : The airline face the same sort of problems the country faces. They even can't fly to Europe regular flights with their 772's ! But for sure, if TAAG
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