Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6222 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11185 times:
I think as MSP matures for WN, we'll see a steady increase in departures and destinations. I would think destinations like LAS, OAK, MCO, BWI, SAN, PHX, etc. will be coming in the next 2 to 3 years, provided they do well in the market.
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2064 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11161 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3): Given that there's already one LFC on the route, it'll be interesting to see how much more DL reacts.
Agreed. DL can't really do the dirty work by themselves on this route with UA and F9 also providing a lot of seats. Even if they up MSP-DEN to all-757 service, it's probably not a large enough increase in seats to really dilute yields and deter WN.
I imagine someone will have to blink on the route, I'm not sure MSP-DEN can maintain 4 carriers flying almost exclusively mainline aircraft. In my opinion, the market will probably absorb some capacity increase from WN, but I envision both UA and DL ultimately putting smaller birds on some flights (E70/75) while F9 more or less maintains the status quo.
Not that WN is probably too concerned with SY, but I wonder if they will try to avoid butting heads with them at MSP as they ramp up operations. If so, I think that (in combination with currently depressed demand due to the economy) could make LAS a later add for MSP than it typically has been when starting up other stations.
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7908 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11139 times:
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2): Here's also to hoping they upgrade a ton of DEN-MSP flights to 757!!
Well the last flight of the day is a 757, and 2 of the 3 DTW flights are going to 757's.
My thing about this is how bad the article was saying Frontier only has 2 flights, NW with only 3, only United's flight total was correct. Secondly, the article states that it was announced today (April 1st) and it was written at 6am... I was not aware Southwest held their press conferences at 6am.
DonInDC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10915 times:
Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2): Yea. NW used to defend their turf pretty hardcore - here's to hoping DL does the same out of MSP.
Here's also to hoping they upgrade a ton of DEN-MSP flights to 757!!
What do you have against a little healthy competition? NW has been holding the citizens of Minneapolis hostage with some of the highest fares in the US by their predatory practices since the beginning of time. DL/NW finally have a formidable challenger, and the the people of MSP will reap the benefits.
Carrier Has No Plans to Add Three New Daily Nonstop Flights
DALLAS, April 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines announced today that the Company has absolutely no plans to expand service between the carrier's newest market in the Twin Cities and the Mile High City with three new daily nonstop flights. Southwest did admit, however, that if the airline were to add service between the two cities, there is no way that fares would be as low as $89 one-way, not including fees and taxes.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 29040 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10641 times:
Smart move by SWA. Like MDW, they are using DEN much like a connecting hub, now allowing for 1-stop service to much of the Western half of the country from MSP as they currently offer to the Eastern portion via MDW.
Interestingly, DEN has one of the highest(if not highest) percentages of thru passengers in the SWA network.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Without getting personal, this poster has the ability to non rev on a few airlines, including AA and UA. Often times when AA and UA flights are full he will text me for WN loads.
Since this poster frequents the MSP-DEN route quite a bit, he can now non rev on WN MSP-DEN if AA and UA fill their flights.
So quite obviously when he goes on AA out of DEN to MSP he goes via ORD if he does. I am simply stating and trying to make a light hearted joke which is now ruined about he will complain WN starts MSP-DEN but watch when AA and UA fail him in getting him around the country he won't take 5 seconds to text me for the loads.
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
C767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 953 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10242 times:
Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 12): Haha apparently Southwest is having fun today being April Fools Day.
"However, starting May 26, Southwest will add three new nonstops each day between our newest destinationâ€”Minneapolis/St. Paulâ€”and Denver, our Mega Station in the Mountains. Southwest has been embraced by the people of Minnesota faster than Hotdish at a Lutheran pot-luck, and we are all VERY excited to add to our nonstop destination list from the Hubert Humphrey Terminal at MSP."
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2663 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10241 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15): Smart move by SWA. Like MDW, they are using DEN much like a connecting hub, now allowing for 1-stop service to much of the Western half of the country from MSP as they currently offer to the Eastern portion via MDW
it'll be interesting to see how far WN goes using DEN as a connecting point. i'm specifically thinking of markets like SDF-DEN here........are we seeing the next LAS or PHX coalescing in their network?
AirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2850 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10087 times:
Denver has become a perfect fit for Southwest's system. It's as close to a hub as the carrier ever really will have, and routing traffic from MSP to feed both east and west coast destinations is a no-brainer.
: Actually, they're the low-fare carrier on the route, though they're 'only' about $20 below the average o/w fare (which is basically identical to what
: The people of MSP have asked to be held hostage by voting with their wallets. As much as airline employees may dislike WN, they're almost always a su
: One of these is a 318, and that is the first flight out of DEN.
: This will get interesting...fast. WN is hitting UA on two high yield markets by cannibalizing the ORD business day trippers and hitting them on their
: How so?? WN is not in MEM and they haven't been in MSP until very recently. NW seemed to deal with WN pretty well in DTW, but that's hardly enough to
: As has been said many time on this board, if F9 hangs on, the loser here will be UA. Checko
: Wow! Great to see WN already adding more MSP service. This will make it a lot easier for us West Coast folks to reach the twin cities now. By the way,