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Southwest Adding MSP-DEN  
User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months ago) and read 10732 times:

starts May 26 with 3 daily departures. This should be interesting!!

USFlyer MSP

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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Here's a link to the Star-Tribune article . The addition doesn't seem to be loaded on WN's website yet.

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Damn it...  bomb 

Quoting MSP" class=quote target=_blank>USFlyer MSP (Thread starter):
This should be interesting!!

Yea. NW used to defend their turf pretty hardcore - here's to hoping DL does the same out of MSP.

Here's also to hoping they upgrade a ton of DEN-MSP flights to 757!!  crossfingers 


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22911 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10675 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Yea. NW used to defend their turf pretty hardcore - here's to hoping DL does the same out of MSP.

Given that there's already one LFC on the route, it'll be interesting to see how much more DL reacts.

I think LAS might have been a better choice.



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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5068 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

Well that didn't take long.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

I would think that BWI would be the next destination. My guess would be sometime around June for this one.

Wingnut



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10540 times:
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I think as MSP matures for WN, we'll see a steady increase in departures and destinations. I would think destinations like LAS, OAK, MCO, BWI, SAN, PHX, etc. will be coming in the next 2 to 3 years, provided they do well in the market.

User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1644 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10516 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Given that there's already one LFC on the route, it'll be interesting to see how much more DL reacts.

Agreed. DL can't really do the dirty work by themselves on this route with UA and F9 also providing a lot of seats. Even if they up MSP-DEN to all-757 service, it's probably not a large enough increase in seats to really dilute yields and deter WN.

I imagine someone will have to blink on the route, I'm not sure MSP-DEN can maintain 4 carriers flying almost exclusively mainline aircraft. In my opinion, the market will probably absorb some capacity increase from WN, but I envision both UA and DL ultimately putting smaller birds on some flights (E70/75) while F9 more or less maintains the status quo.

Not that WN is probably too concerned with SY, but I wonder if they will try to avoid butting heads with them at MSP as they ramp up operations. If so, I think that (in combination with currently depressed demand due to the economy) could make LAS a later add for MSP than it typically has been when starting up other stations.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10494 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Here's also to hoping they upgrade a ton of DEN-MSP flights to 757!!

Well the last flight of the day is a 757, and 2 of the 3 DTW flights are going to 757's.


My thing about this is how bad the article was saying Frontier only has 2 flights, NW with only 3, only United's flight total was correct. Secondly, the article states that it was announced today (April 1st) and it was written at 6am... I was not aware Southwest held their press conferences at 6am.



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User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10465 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Given that there's already one LFC on the route, it'll be interesting to see how much more DL reacts.

I think LAS might have been a better choice

Frontier has not exactly been a price leader in the MSP/DEN market. They have been happy to fill their seats at the market rate.

MSP/LAS has hometown LFC SY on that route plus charters.



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

Hmmm . . .

this route already has a massive amount of capacity, checking for the 13th of April, there are 15 daily flights.

NW
3 X A320
3 X A319

UA
2 X 757-200
3 X 737-300

F9
4 X A319

It will definitely be interesting to see what happens . . .


User currently offlineDonInDC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10270 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
Yea. NW used to defend their turf pretty hardcore - here's to hoping DL does the same out of MSP.

Here's also to hoping they upgrade a ton of DEN-MSP flights to 757!!

What do you have against a little healthy competition? NW has been holding the citizens of Minneapolis hostage with some of the highest fares in the US by their predatory practices since the beginning of time. DL/NW finally have a formidable challenger, and the the people of MSP will reap the benefits.


User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Haha apparently Southwest is having fun today being April Fools Day.

http://au.sys-con.com/node/903257

Carrier Has No Plans to Add Three New Daily Nonstop Flights

DALLAS, April 1 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Southwest Airlines announced today that the Company has absolutely no plans to expand service between the carrier's newest market in the Twin Cities and the Mile High City with three new daily nonstop flights. Southwest did admit, however, that if the airline were to add service between the two cities, there is no way that fares would be as low as $89 one-way, not including fees and taxes.



Now You're Flying Smart.
User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10139 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 1):
The addition doesn't seem to be loaded on WN's website yet.

It's on the interactive route map.


User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10067 times:

MSP-DEN

91 6:40am 7:50am Nonstop
1355 12:00pm 1:10pm Nonstop
1397 6:00pm 7:10pm Nonstop

DEN-MSP

1376 8:45am 11:40am Nonstop
1459 2:30pm 5:25pm Nonstop
1449 7:40pm 10:35pm Nonstop



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25137 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9996 times:

Smart move by SWA. Like MDW, they are using DEN much like a connecting hub, now allowing for 1-stop service to much of the Western half of the country from MSP as they currently offer to the Eastern portion via MDW.

Interestingly, DEN has one of the highest(if not highest) percentages of thru passengers in the SWA network.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3205 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9964 times:



Quoting DonInDC (Reply 11):
What do you have against a little healthy competition?

Because they are the 4th carrier on the route, and like most non-WN industry employees, I find them to be a cancer.  box 


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9924 times:

Good to WN for adding this.

I am surprised they did it this fast, but DEN is not surprising to me at all.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 16):

Because they are the 4th carrier on the route, and like most non-WN industry employees, I find them to be a cancer.

How long before you will be quickly texting me asking me for loads on WN MSP-DEN because AA and UA filled their planes to the brim?  Wink

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9901 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 17):
How long before you will be quickly texting me asking me for loads on WN MSP-DEN because AA and UA filled their planes to the brim?

It might be a while...I didn't know AA flew MSP-DEN.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9849 times:



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 18):
It might be a while...I didn't know AA flew MSP-DEN.

 banghead 

I never stated AA flew MSP-DEN.

Without getting personal, this poster has the ability to non rev on a few airlines, including AA and UA. Often times when AA and UA flights are full he will text me for WN loads.

Since this poster frequents the MSP-DEN route quite a bit, he can now non rev on WN MSP-DEN if AA and UA fill their flights.

So quite obviously when he goes on AA out of DEN to MSP he goes via ORD if he does. I am simply stating and trying to make a light hearted joke which is now ruined about he will complain WN starts MSP-DEN but watch when AA and UA fail him in getting him around the country he won't take 5 seconds to text me for the loads.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7562 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

MSP-DEN

06.10 07.23 UA
06.30 07.39 F9
06.40 07.50 WN
07.10 08.15 NW
09.05 10.12 NW
09.22 10.35 UA
10.20 11.31 F9
11.25 13.10 NW
12:00 13.10 WN
12.05 13.08 UA
14.25 15.36 F9
14.35 15.41 NW
14.52 15.55 UA
16.50 17.56 NW
17.05 18.15 F9
18.00 19.10 WN
19.07 20.20 UA
19.10 20.20 F9
21.45 22.48 NW

DEN-MSP

06.15 09.12 NW
06.45 09.36 F9
08.36 11.35 UA
08.45 11.40 WN
09.10 12.05 NW
10.22 13.19 UA
10.45 13.45 F9
11.05 13.58 NW
12.53 15.46 UA
13.20 16.14 F9
14.20 17.12 NW
14.30 17.25 WN
15.36 18.28 F9
17.00 19.54 UA
18.49 21.42 NW
19.05 21.59 F9
19.14 22.08 UA
19.40 22.35 WN

It appears that WN are going head to head with F9 (06.40) and UA (12.00) outbound and UA (08.45) and NW (14.30) on the return. They will also be the last return of the day, (19.40) rather than UA.

How long before flight do you need to check in at DEN/MSP?.

IMO, they are not trying to force another carrier off the route at this stage.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22911 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9639 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Interestingly, DEN has one of the highest(if not highest) percentages of thru passengers in the SWA network.

...which probably tells us something about the relevant performance of DEN yield-wise.



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9597 times:



Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 12):
Haha apparently Southwest is having fun today being April Fools Day.

Read on...

"However, starting May 26, Southwest will add three new nonstops each day between our newest destination—Minneapolis/St. Paul—and Denver, our Mega Station in the Mountains. Southwest has been embraced by the people of Minnesota faster than Hotdish at a Lutheran pot-luck, and we are all VERY excited to add to our nonstop destination list from the Hubert Humphrey Terminal at MSP."

From the WN blog that was linked in that article.


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2585 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9596 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
Smart move by SWA. Like MDW, they are using DEN much like a connecting hub, now allowing for 1-stop service to much of the Western half of the country from MSP as they currently offer to the Eastern portion via MDW

it'll be interesting to see how far WN goes using DEN as a connecting point. i'm specifically thinking of markets like SDF-DEN here........are we seeing the next LAS or PHX coalescing in their network?


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Denver has become a perfect fit for Southwest's system. It's as close to a hub as the carrier ever really will have, and routing traffic from MSP to feed both east and west coast destinations is a no-brainer.

25 Cubsrule : Actually, they're the low-fare carrier on the route, though they're 'only' about $20 below the average o/w fare (which is basically identical to what
26 MaverickM11 : The people of MSP have asked to be held hostage by voting with their wallets. As much as airline employees may dislike WN, they're almost always a su
27 AirframeAS : One of these is a 318, and that is the first flight out of DEN.
28 ItalianFlyer : This will get interesting...fast. WN is hitting UA on two high yield markets by cannibalizing the ORD business day trippers and hitting them on their
29 Transpac787 : How so?? WN is not in MEM and they haven't been in MSP until very recently. NW seemed to deal with WN pretty well in DTW, but that's hardly enough to
30 TheGreatChecko : As has been said many time on this board, if F9 hangs on, the loser here will be UA. Checko
31 SurfandSnow : Wow! Great to see WN already adding more MSP service. This will make it a lot easier for us West Coast folks to reach the twin cities now. By the way,
32 C767P : New and underutilized.
33 Enilria : As someone who has predicted this at least three times on a.net often to a chorus of dissent, I'd like to serve some crow. Anyway, this will commence
34 Post contains images Af773atmsp : Glad to see WN expanding at MSP. I hope F9 can continue to stay on this route even with new competition. Now if WN could just add MSP-TPA or MSP-FLL.
35 FL787 : I'm not sure it's really new any longer. It's been open since 2000 or 2001. They could really use some more amenities and restaurants. It is extremel
36 MaverickM11 : People thought MSPDEN wouldn't happen? I'm not sure...DL/NW capacity between MSP and CHI is only up 10-15%, unless there was another retaliation I'm
37 ItalianFlyer : Some of NW's most profitable markets are RDU, BNA,BWI,MDW,MCI & OMA where they have competed...albeit indirectly...with WN for years. All i am saying
38 Post contains links C767P : I think it can still be classified as new, the terminal certainly is not outdated in any way. Security is pretty easy at Humphrey, so why not grab so
39 OA412 : What form? DL has not been known to do that. There wasn't.
40 FL787 : Yeah, it's definitely not outdated in any way but I guess I have a shorter timeframe of being new. I personally routinely show up about only 40 minut
41 Aviatortj : The customer service agents located at H7/8 will work flights departing from gates H7 and H8. If you go to gate H8, it also features a Southwest boar
42 C767P : Those stands also have numbers on them to help passengers know where to stand. So the first one will look something like , so those with numbers 1-5
43 FL787 : They've always been there as long as I can remember they occasionally used H9 but probably not anymore with YX there. I never understood why they put
44 Iowaman : The HHH terminal is actually used quite a bit, and gate space is becoming a real issue with YX and FL moving over there within the past couple years.
45 Slcdeltarumd11 : Delta made commitments to the state to promise a certain amount of deaprtures and arrivals from MSP, does anyone know how long they made a commitment
46 FL787 : There is still some room to grow with SY only operating banks of flights, leaving the place deserted at times. They have had a plan for expansion for
47 DeltAirlines : Midwest will be moving back to Lindbergh this year from HHH - it's part of the DL/NW agreement. Not exactly sure where Midwest will park - they could
48 C767P : Is that still the plan? To move non-SkyTeam members to HHH? I know that is part of the 2020 plan, but I would also think that has changed.
49 SYfan100 : Really suprised that Southwest has not service yet to one of their other hubs like St.Louis or Baltimore.
50 Iowaman : I expected both as well, as fares to STL are high and BWI would provide connectivity up and down the coast, although BWI is not as close as DEN.
51 Steex : I'll take my serving. I wasn't in disbelief that MSP-DEN would be added, but I know I previously disagreed that it would be the obvious next route fo
52 Enilria : According to MobFlyer's P/L this was F9's most profitable route. I think that is probably fairly accurate. I don't think with F9's new found success
53 F9Fan : Well, color me one of the people surprised. WN usually goes to LAS and/or PHX as their first western U.S. destinations. DEN, however, does make sense
54 OA412 : Yes and we've also discussed at length the fact that all of those, except for SLC-MDW, are non-hub to non-hub. SLC-MDW is a hub to spoke flight. Agai
55 Mariner : I think it is what Southwest CEO Kelly said at the opening of MSP when he overtly hinted at this - that they can fly pax to the east through MDW and
56 Ridgid727 : Sometimes,the best info to give out is mis-info.
57 Enilria : They considered IND and MKE to be focus cities at the time. They may still consider IND to be one. I'm not sure your point. They would prefer to add
58 QANTAS747-438 : He also said at that first press conference on opening day that they wouldn't add ANY flights until the route proved itself after a decent amount of
59 Mariner : They added DEN flights on the first day of flying, so by those standards I guess they've had a decent amount of time. From the moment Mr. Kelly made
60 Cubsrule : Simple? Yes. Logical? Yes. But it's not interesting for those reasons. It's interesting because WN is eschewing their traditional strategy of mixing
61 OA412 : But my point stands. Those were not hubs unlike SLC which very much IS a DL hub. Yes they did but again, please explain why DL would begin flying SLC
62 Mariner : It's interesting to me for a whole bunch of other reasons, most of which are called Frontier. But to take your point, I would be mildly surprised to
63 Joeljack : MSP-OMA is very interesting....it's only 282 flight miles but it's a 6 hour drive with no direct roads with a ton of people driving this everyday. NW
64 Mariner : I said I would be "mildly surprised" - I wouldn't fall over in shock. No one can guess what Southwest will do, or I certainly can't. My point is simp
65 MtnWest1979 : , Well actually MSP has been running since March 8th, and DEN announcement 4/1, so it isn't the first day.
66 Mariner : I didn't say that it was. That was the whole point. mariner
67 Slcdeltarumd11 : Three flights a day between MSP and DEN will take a decent chunk of the O&D on the route. Worse for DL is the fact that now southwest will be able to
68 Enilria : Well, my point is that 1) WN is the only carrier flying MDW-SLC, 2) MDW is one of the cities involved in MDW-MSP, and 3) DL can't make any money flyi
69 FlyPNS1 : I'd like to see the link to WN saying this. Again, I'd like to see these quotes from WN. Hardly. The competition is well aware of WN and they know th
70 MaverickM11 : They've cut ORD quite a bit such that this summer they're only up 13-15% in seats to Chicago.
71 Enilria : I've in person seen Pete McGlade make both statements from behind a podium to a large group that included execs from Delta/Northwest. I assume it is
72 PHLBOS : The above-statement IMHO says it all. People, let's not forget that, contrary to A.net speculation (*jest*), the DL/NW merger was only approved just
73 Cubsrule : I could see one-stop service to DAL over either MCI or STL, but I agree with Mariner that that's about the only hole. MCO is served fine over MDW now
74 Enilria : Again it's as much about WN as it is about FL/B6/VX seeing that DL/NW will fight anybody. It might not work against WN (probably won't work), but it
75 PHLBOS : IIRC, the MEM hub could very well be next on the merger chopping block right behind CVG.
76 Cubsrule : MCO, DEN, PHX, and LAS all have pretty similar amounts of O&D. MCO has the worst yields of the 4 (~11 cents/mile average). PHX and LAS are somewhat b
77 Enilria : I agree it would be the next hub to go, but I'm hearing that only CVG is in trouble. I think they are going to give MEM some time. Supposedly it is n
78 Cubsrule : Does SY not count? SY flies to PHX and LAS (and, if you really want to stretch the definition of LCC, US also flies to both PHX and LAS).
79 Joeljack : Right now there is 154 passengers per day on this route paying an average fare of $714.58 roundtrip. That's a ton of money and a yield of $1.27/ mile
80 Enilria : Not to be cruel to SY, but they are pretty much ignored by everybody. They aren't even matched in many cases. I know they are a real airline, but the
81 Cubsrule : ...so the low yields to PHX and LAS have nothing to do with them? If not, why are the yields to PHX and LAS so much worse than the yields to DEN-- th
82 FlyPNS1 : I think these comments are being taken out of context however. While WN is not afraid to start a market with only one destination, they have NEVER sa
83 Sunking737 : As a former SY employee. I know that they like to fly under the radar. They don't want to attract a lot of attention. When I tell people I worked for
84 Joeljack : I'd be curious to see your list. My List would be this: 1)MDW-Done 2)DEN-Done 3)LAS 4)MCI 5)OMA 6)BWI 7)PHX 8)STL 9)MCO 10)TPA 11)FLL 12)RSW I would
85 AirframeAS : Oh, not to worry. We will be fine. I doubt we will change anything in the DEN-MSP route. Uhmm, they don't have 'hubs'. WN is a point-to-point carrier
86 Mariner : I'm not sure how that affects it. Virtually all of Frontier's mainline domestic routes have a Southwest presence - I can count the ones that don't on
87 Enilria : They do, but SY isn't FL in terms of NW/DL coming down on them with the wrath of god which drives fares down. McGlade said "...this is a new business
88 ADent : How about DEN-MCO for a DL retaliation route?
89 Post contains links Mariner : I don't really have a take. I don't follow Air Canada that closely, but I would not be surprised if the new CEO reversed a number of Mr. Brewer's dec
90 Cubsrule : The fare difference between LAS (SY) and MCO (FL) actually isn't that great.
91 ScottB : Actually, I'd put STL-DAL at or near the top of the list. With DEN announced, STL and DTW are the only top 20 markets
92 Cubsrule : Agreed on both counts. OTOH, I don't think that US has much influence on pricing on MSP-LAS (or ex-LAS in general), so I'm not convinced that the fac
93 TxAgKuwait : Look for MSP-MCI-DAL. Coming soon to an airport near you.
94 MtnWest1979 : Boy, just looked at rt fares MSP-DEN 6/4 return 6/6. Business select $356, anytime fare $321, and the $89 out, $79/$99 return special fares. $321 seem
95 F9fan : I think the reason that the MSP-MCO yields are so low is because the MCO market is very price sensative as a leisure destination. Ditto LAS, PHX and,
96 FlyPNS1 : But nowhere does that say WN would only fly from one destination out of MSP. There's a big difference between the two routes. DEN-IND is a pointless
97 ItalianFlyer : I think you are right on....I would be shocked to see ANY new WN capacity to LAS,PHX or Florida (JAX being an exception...maybe) until the 'decession
98 7E72004 : I have to say that i am amazed at how Southwest is doing in some of these big cities they have opened up...DEN, PHL...It seems like DEN is growing at
99 MrSTL : AA seems to be in retreat mode in STL, especially with Connection flying. For example WN added DEN, AA dropped it, WN added PHL, AA dropped frequenci
100 Cubsrule : Agreed, but I think the local market is large enough that it would be like PHL-- they'd reduce frequency but stick around-- rather than like LIT or C
101 LoneStarMike : In reference to the viability of a possible OMA-MSP route: I agree. You won't find a market with 7 existing roundtrips prior to WN entering a market t
102 DLHFLYER : Why would Phoenix be so low? Also, I see very little mention of Los Angeles as a future city. Is LAX simply serving its purpose as an inter-Californi
103 AirframeAS : Because you could already go to a lot of places on WN into and out of PHX already.
104 Iowaman : That's what i seems, everytime an LAX city is added another is either reduced or dropped. I think WN would and could be larger in LAX, but gate space
105 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I think competition (between AA and NW) is the reason why the local MSP-STL market is larger than the MSP-MCI market. MSP-STL is 449 miles, has 543 p
106 Cubsrule : Yes, that's part of it-- and some competition on MSP-MCI would almost certainly bring fares down. OTOH, though, metro St. Louis does have about 800,0
107 LoneStarMike : Yet interestingly enough, both cities have nearly the same amount of daily passengers flying to DAL. DAL-MCI 1,504 pax/day DAL-STL 1,496 pax/day. And
108 Cubsrule : That's interesting, and it's not just true of Dallas-Fort Worth. Chicago and Denver both see more passengers to MCI than to STL, though Houston and N
109 DCA-ROCguy : As an aside, it's a shame Nebraska didn't try to get itself exempted from the Wright Amendment before Congress passed the final compromise. Actually,
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