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Airbus Shows New A350XWB Cutaway Model 1:120 Scale  
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19503 times:

Airbus is showing a totally new A350 XWB cutaway model 1:120 scale model at the Aircraft Interiors show in Hamburg.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-options-for-interior-design.html

Quote:
The review will include the first showing of its finalised rear-galley design. Airbus had initially hoped to firm the design at the definition-freeze stage, but has been continuing to work on it after preparing a “very innovative” initial design.

“[Customers] preferred a more traditional galley arrangement, so we have changed a little bit the rear galley arrangement,” says Airbus senior marketing analyst, customer affairs, Florian Giusti, although he will not be drawn on the final configuration.


[Edited 2009-04-01 08:41:17]

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30974 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19284 times:
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Looks like they are using the JL Shell seats in First Class.

User currently offlineHimself From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18852 times:

No way is that 1:120, but probably a 1:20. That model has got to be over 2m long! Otherwise, pretty cool!

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8369 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18673 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Looks like they are using the JL Shell seats in First Class.

The Business Class seats look like JAL seats. First Class is suites similar to teh new SWISS First.


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18677 times:

Interesting - he talks about the ability to have 10-abreast, then talks about people getting wider and taller. He says it's because it is XWB - extra wide body(ied) but fails to mention the XWB is narrower than the 777.

It will be interesting to see how the final product turns out - hope it's good.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30974 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 18556 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Looks like they are using the JL Shell seats in First Class.



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
The Business Class seats look like JAL seats. First Class is suites similar to the new SWISS First.

Yeah. I was just looking at the first picture which I assumed was First Class.

Watching the video, it is clear that is the Business Class section with the shell seats.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3523 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18126 times:

Ironic that the A350XWB has an over-head crew rest after JL's comments on the 777 over-head crew rest.

Quoted from the attached link:

He still relishes taking pot shots at Boeing. At the ISTAT conference, he contrasted the spacious proposed crew rest area underneath the A350 cockpit with the 777's crew rest area, which is in the crawl space above the passenger cabin — or as Leahy described it to laughter from the audience, "putting the flight crew in the overhead bins."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...technology/2002913913_leahy06.html

Guess the pilots weren't too happy about sleeping in the basement after all.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18094 times:



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 6):

Guess the pilots weren't too happy about sleeping in the basement after all.

Well, that's where they're putting the bowling alley.  Wink


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30974 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 18032 times:
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Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 6):
Ironic that the A350XWB has an over-head crew rest after JL's comments on the 777 over-head crew rest...Guess the pilots weren't too happy about sleeping in the basement after all.

I wonder how happy A350 operators will be about giving up one or more revenue seats in their premium cabin to allow the relief crew to eat and relax. Boeing's factory 777 overhead rest area has seats for that, but it looks like the A350X's does not from that video.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17981 times:

Overhead rest area or underfloor, it doesn't matter. I'm just looking forward to getting my hands on one of these and taking it for a spin around the Pacific when HA starts getting the 350 in 2017.  Smile

HAL



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6447 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 17918 times:



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 6):
Ironic that the A350XWB has an over-head crew rest after JL's comments on the 777 over-head crew rest.



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 6):
Guess the pilots weren't too happy about sleeping in the basement after all.

My $0.02: Pilots were never asked. The airline bean counters spotted potential cargo volume occupied by crew rest area, and...

Airbus will place the crew rest area where the most customers want it. Airbus dosn't care. They just want to sell planes.

And if you want to buy half a dozen A350 with underfloor crew rest area, then sure you will get exactly what you ask for.

This video doesn't demonstrate THE A350. It just shows some options.

Shame on those airlines who opt for nine abreast in Y class, And maybe also shame on those airlines who opt to put the relief crew in the overhead bin to make them able to take along one more cargo container.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3523 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17853 times:



Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 10):
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 6):
Guess the pilots weren't too happy about sleeping in the basement after all.

My $0.02: Pilots were never asked. The airline bean counters spotted potential cargo volume occupied by crew rest area, and...

Probably.

The main point is to be careful what you mock as you may end up there yourself some day.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2823 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17807 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
I wonder how happy A350 operators will be about giving up one or more revenue seats in their premium cabin to allow the relief crew to eat and relax.

I don't know...how do 767 operators feel?


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 17729 times:

Love this Business class seats, they are great.

but I don´t like the 3-3-3 in Y, IMO 2-5-2 is better.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
The Business Class seats look like JAL seats. First Class is suites similar to teh new SWISS First.

Also AC new B777 seats.


User currently offlineNelsonde From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15407 times:

Granted, there may be a language factor incorporated in the article, but it should be 1:20 scale. 1:120 is 10 feet per inch and a this is much larger.

Dave



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User currently offlineComairGuyCVG From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

Where is the throttle quadrant? Did they just leave it out for the simplicity of a cleaner picture?

User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13890 times:

You can hardly fit 10 abrest in a 777 how are you going to do it in an A350?


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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12668 times:



Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 11):
The main point is to be careful what you mock as you may end up there yourself some day.

Well, I remember at one time the entire 787 project initiative was mocked by the renowned JL. And now Airbus is putting together what might amount to nothing more than a "Chinese copy" of it.  Big grin

On another note, on the video, the Airbus interior manager makes the comment, when asked what that space above the cabin is: "This is a very interesting concept..." and goes on to explain the crew rest area. He makes it sound as though it is something that's never been done before on an airplane. I'm not being critical of his comments - he is a VERY good salesman. He doesn't talk about the fact that it's already an established feature on LR aircraft; just talks about it so that an unfamiliar ear will think that it's a first in aviation. Great sales technique. Wish I could afford to hire him.



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12458 times:



Quoting MIgAiR54 (Reply 13):
but I don´t like the 3-3-3 in Y, IMO 2-5-2 is better.

Having ridden for years on DC-10's with 5 across in the middle, I'd definitely opt for the 3-3-3 instead. Sitting in that middle seat where you are two seats away in either direction from an aisle is insane. Avoid it at all costs!

HAL



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12057 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 17):
On another note, on the video, the Airbus interior manager (...)

The salesman does clear up something for us near the end of the video: XWB refers to the passengers' rear end, not to the airplane.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6914 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10622 times:



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
You can hardly fit 10 abrest in a 777 how are you going to do it in an A350?

They aren't planning to - at least, not in this model.

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 10):
Shame on those airlines who opt for nine abreast in Y class

And shame on this salesman for implying that 9-abreast on an A350 will somehow be more comfortable than 8-abreast on an A330 for people who are getting - he tells us - taller and broader. Retaining 8-abreast for a wider plane would achieve that. This concept certainly won't.

Grrrr. Salesmen: shoot the lot!  Angry


User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10408 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
You can hardly fit 10 abrest in a 777 how are you going to do it in an A350?

They aren't planning to - at least, not in this model.

Actually, they are: "for the leisure market" (if I understood correctly). And I believe Air Caraibes already has firm plans to have their A350-1000 with 10 abreast. Not surprisingly, since they operate their A330's 9 abreast today  crowded  So, the 'comfort' level will be about the same. Not something to look forward to on a transatlantic flight  Sad



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User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

Did anyone watch the video?

I liked how he said, "XWB stands for x-tra wide body, because the population is not only getting taller, but wider too." lol


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9288 times:



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 16):
You can hardly fit 10 abrest in a 777 how are you going to do it in an A350?

well, I guess the same way you put 9 across into a 787....  crowded 



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9210 times:

Is it just me or I saw a massive winglet displayed on this model?

I believe the A350 will be using some sort of racked wingtips like the ones on the 787, right?

Anyhow, I believe this plane looked very nice. I doubt, however, that it will come out of the factory just like they've been showing it lately. We've all been victims with the 787, which is still not out of the oven!

Cheers



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25 Thestooges : Yeah, that was pretty funny, basically he said that the reason they made it an XWB was for the future when the average height of passengers will be t
26 Revelation : Just to be clear, that quote belongs to the insider trading suspect and former EADS co-CEO, Noel Forgeard.
27 Jdevora : My understanding is that they had to put the crew rest in the "basement" because the A330 (old A350 x section) is just not wide enough to put it over
28 Zeke : The A350XWB as far as I am aware was not offered with the under the cockpit floor compartment, that was back with the A350OG, that used the A330/A340
29 MD-90 : The A350XWB's overhead crew rest looks awfully claustrophobic to me. No headroom whatsoever!
30 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : Overhead crew rests are a standard option on the 777, as are lower lobe (basement) crew rests. No one orders the later anymore as they reduce cargo v
31 Post contains links Zeke : OAG, It is an option on the 777 nevertheless. As far as I recall, it is a BE Aerospace crew rest, not Boeing, http://www.beaerospace.com/PDF/FSI_DR_1_
32 OldAeroGuy : BE Aerospace is the STC holder for the overheard crew rests fitted post production to BA 777-200ER's and few other airlines. That's what the press re
33 SJC30L : Any chance we'll see them show up on the SJC run?
34 Jolau1701 : One look at that First Class cabin and I ask, is that the inside of an airplane or a restaurant?
35 Stitch : Maybe Airbus wanted to steal a bit of thunder from the folks behind the 787 DreamDiner?
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