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BA “comfortably” Cheaper Than No-frills Airlines  
User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

An interesting article published in the Daily Telegraph and visible here:

Daily Telegraph Link

Sophie Butler, in the Sunday Telegraph, checked the return price of a return fare to Majorca departing on May 4 and returning on May 11. The fares included charges for baggage, where appropriate, and payment by debit card.

British Airways was the cheapest, at £98.70, followed by easyJet costing £109.86. Ryanair was third, costing £119.50, while Thomas Cook Airlines, including a bag weighing up to 20kg and allocated seating, cost £130.48.

Sophie wrote in the Sunday Telegraph: “British Airways was comfortably the cheapest option for passengers who wanted to put luggage in the hold and even for those travelling with hand-baggage only, it was only slightly more expensive than easyJet, and just £8 more than Ryanair.

“So don’t be fooled by the headline prices or distracted by charges for checked luggage. It is still the bottom line that counts.”

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

I could well believe it; for a start, BA includes all fees up front, whereas Flybe (my immediate comparison, when I'm flying to LGW, from JER) starts with one fare and immediately adds about £40+ on, and then baggage and seat allocation fees on top of that. And of course, if you're connecting, BA is much more convenient.

And the unseen advantage: stress relief. If something goes wrong on a BA flight, you know BA will look after you. With lo-cos ... forget it.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7766 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

IMO this issue needs to be considered with care;

Firstly, this is only one route on one day;

Secondly, MOL will claim that he guarantees to the cheaper. However it is unclear if this means for example London to Frankfurt or Stansted to Hahn. If you look at the Hahn website, you find only one carrier flying to Stansted.

FR is the cheapest on the route  Smile.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7425 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8228 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Thread starter):
BA “comfortably” Cheaper Than No-frills Airlines 



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
BA includes all fees up front, whereas Flybe (my immediate comparison, when I'm flying to LGW, from JER) starts with one fare and immediately adds about £40+ on, and then baggage and seat allocation fees on top of that. And of course, if you're connecting, BA is much more convenient.

And the unseen advantage: stress relief. If something goes wrong on a BA flight, you know BA will look after you. With lo-cos ... forget it.

This is very often the case with other "Majors" than BA, like AF or LH.

One of my best friend just booked a ticket to come to Paris from BCN next month for 3 days week end.
I was very surprised when he told me he will fly AF.
AF was cheaper than EasyJet by 20 €, and cheaper than IB by 40 €.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19246 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8209 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Thread starter):
It is still the bottom line that counts.”

Glad someone else believes it's only the total to-pay amount that counts.

There are certainly some great one-way fares available on BA, such as £65 to ATH (could get the 763) and I would not hesitate to pay such fares, subject to some caveats. Anyway, my wife and I are looking forward to our Tuscan trip next week that cost £9.58 return each all-in on FR from our local airport – 20 minutes away by half-hourly bus.

The point is clear: always check all options. Whichever is the best OVERALL, go for that.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

Well I already knew this and it irritates me that a lot of people won't even consider the legacy carriers when booking flights these days. Let's just go straight to Easyjet and Ryanair, they're always the cheapest! Well they're not.

Is it that hard to consider your options and make an educated decision?



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User currently offlineAFKL From Netherlands, joined Feb 2008, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

BA seem to be offering some great deals lately. I was comparing ticket prices to fly from Malta to Boston over the summer, and BA had a couple on offer for around £550 (roundtrip departing in Malta)!!! Compared to Delta, and Lufthansa which were around 800 Euros or more (still an excellent deal if you ask me!).


ALLARD.



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User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

Hi,

BA is indeed offering some nice deals. I just booked a multi-city ticket with them yesterday:

MIA-LHR
LHR-LIS
BRU-LHR-MIA

During peak summer travel season, all for $1142! Pretty good in my book. I soooo wanted to fly LX, but they were $1700+!  Sad Oh well, maybe someother time.

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8001 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 5):
Let's just go straight to Easyjet and Ryanair

Because they offer nonstop flights from the regions rather than BA onestops via LHR or LGW?  Wink



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7639 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 5):
Well I already knew this and it irritates me that a lot of people won't even consider the legacy carriers when booking flights these days. Let's just go straight to Easyjet and Ryanair, they're always the cheapest! Well they're not.

Is it that hard to consider your options and make an educated decision?

Although it was a few years ago it makes a nice comparison. A friend from Uni went with me to Berlin, he lived closer to Luton so took Easyjet whereas my nearest airport is LHR. We bought our tickets on the same day for very similar travel times and it turned out he paid more for Easyjet than I did for Club Europe on BA!



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7226 times:



Quoting AH332 (Reply 7):
BA is indeed offering some nice deals.

There are also some good deals to Tunisia via London from Brussels. You'll only pay EUR360 round trip from BRU to TUN via LGW whereas the direct flight with Tunisair costs EUR500.

But I generally check every airline and I choose the cheapest and most convienant off course.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3009 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

I always first check websites like kayak to get an idea what the legacy carriers are going to charge for that day and route. afterwards I look for FR U2 9U and in the end I'm sure I'll book the best option for my need, my comfort and my valet.

by the way I love kayak as it also shows 2 stop combinations which sometimes are cheaper than a direct flight. if you are flexible and love to fly this is the best solution...


User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6836 times:



Quoting Myt332 (Reply 5):
Let's just go straight to Easyjet and Ryanair, they're always the cheapest! Well they're not.

They are if you live outside London and the South East and want to travel to Europe.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Much depends on when you book and travel. BA tends to be much more expensive when you book within a few days of travel, especially for business people booking city routes.

Try booking a BA flight from London to say, EDI or AMS, within three days of travel and you will see what I mean.

Just now I checked rates with ba.com and easyjet.com for a 2 day trip from LGW to AMS departing April 6 in the early morning and returning on April 8 in the late afternoon/early evening.

BA's price was GBP459 whereas Easyjet's rate was GBP193. Granted, Easyjet's rate did not include the extras for baggage check etc but even when these are included, Easyjet will still cost GBP200 less !


User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

I think its always important that people check the major legacy carriers just in case to see if they're actually cheaper, or maybe the same price.

In the past year I flew between London and Newcastle quite frequently and each and every time an Easyjet ticket was cheaper. Once I flew from LGW on FlyBe just so I could get a ride on a Q400 and had to pay about £20 to £30 extra for the privilidge of doing so.

Around Christmas I flew into London and wanted to meet up with my brother who was flying in to Heathrow so the only option was to fly BA. Funnily enough the price actually got cheaper closer to the date, because I waited a few days to buy my ticket it cost me £50 instead of £83.

I was actually kind of excited that I was going to be flying a BA, a full service carrier, but this was short lived. First of all the plane was delayed at least 40 minutes due to having to get bags off the aircraft which belonged to passengers that somehow didn't manage to make it to the gate. Ok, so this isnt the airlines fault but this never happened on an Easyjet flight, only once on about one of the 15 Easyjet flights between London and Newcastle did I ever experience any kind of a delay, whereas this happened on my one and only BA flight. The cabin was very worn out and dated and the free food, a breakfast pannini was incredibly stale and inedible, it was so hard I couldnt even take a bite out of it.

I also felt that at 29, I was the youngest person on that flight, and that most people were at least older than 60 years. Not the end of the world but as I was sitting at the back of the plane and wanted to get off as quickly as possible, due to the delay, the deplaning process was veeeery slow, a lot slower than on an Easyjet flight where the average clientele is considerably younger (and therefor moves a lot faster).

So basically to make a long story short, I'm definitely not one of the people that has this preconception that low-cost carriers are always cheaper and I always do my homework and check the legacies as well, but up until this flight, I was under the impression that legacy carriers were so much more pleasurable to fly with than the the low-costs, but of course this experience changed my point of view. I found Easyjet, with its brand new aircraft with brand new interiors, and with its very punctual service to be much more enjoyable to fly and that if an Easyjet ticket is about the same price as a BA one in the future, I'll definitely choose them !!!

So even though most people have this preconception that low-costs are always cheaper and won't even check the legacies prices, I also think most people have a preconception that the legacies provide better service than the low-costs and if the prices are the same, to definitely choose the legacy, which as I've just explained above, isnt necessarily true either.

[Edited 2009-04-02 04:12:39]

[Edited 2009-04-02 04:39:22]

User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Well said, Thestooges.

There is a further consideration when flying in or out of the London is that the area is so spread out that travellers will often opt for the most convenient airport, even though the price may be higher.

This applies really to short-haul flights as most long-haul services depart LHR.

For example, if you live in E London a traveller might prefer LCY or STN over LHR. If living on the South Coast then LGW (or even SOU) will be preferred over LHR.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5266 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 13):
Much depends on when you book and travel. BA tends to be much more expensive when you book within a few days of travel, especially for business people booking city routes.

With all due respect that is NOT true at all...

I have recently moved back to the UK from Denmark and during the period where I was moving my stuff over I booked a number of last minute flights.. These were flights departing within 2 or 3 days of me booking and BA were ALWAYS the cheapest option... As far as I can recall the various prices were:

BA: CPH - LHR - CPH - £150

SK: CPH - LHR - CPH - £170

QI: CPH - LGW - CPH - £260

U2: CPH - LGW - CPH - £340

U2: CPH - STN - CPH - £380

These prices are including baggage etc... Seriously in my experience it has ALWAYS been cheaper to book with legacy carriers if you are traveling at short notice and as people have mentioned before you tend to be looked after..

Although SAS has in my opinion become Europe's worst legacy carrier.. I used to love them but after them losing my luggage and taking no responsibility for it and offering a LCC service in economy PLUS normally costing more than BA they can get lost as far as I'm concerned!



Next Flights: LHR-IAH (744-BA); MSY-ATL (752-DL); ATL-LGA (320-DL); JFK-LHR (744-BA)
User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7511 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

What exactly would the competition do if BA went out advertising that they have comparable or even cheaper fares, how would the LCC's react? I think BA is doing exactly what they have to do, quietly lower fares where possible and rely on its legion of loyal fans who even though they travel on other carriers when the price is right, still show good judgement by doing some comparison shopping before actually purchasing, remember an educated consumer is the best one around.
It allows BA some incremental traffic without the detrimental consequences of a all out fare war with the LCC, pretty good management.


User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5161 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
and seat allocation fees on top of that

What is this "seat allocation fee"?? Does that mean that if I buy the ticket, but refuse to pay the seat allocation fee I get to ride in the jumpseat? Or in the cargo hold, caged like a dog? Or just sit (or stand) in the aisle for the whole duration of the flight?
This must be the single most stupid "fee" that they thought of in the LCC business.

"Hey, let's buy this wonderful new LCD TV. Okay honey, but we also have to account for the "electricity plugin fee" otherwise the screen will remain blank"!?!?!?



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User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5108 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
With all due respect that is NOT true at all...

Well this always depends on the situation. As I explained in my post, BA was always more expensive between London and Newcastle, but obviously between London and Copenhagen, as you experienced, its a very different scenario. Basically, the moral of the story is to always keep checking, and don't ever think, "oh, I have to fly tommorow, the price for the legacies will probably be so much more I won't even bother looking", because as your situation proves sometimes the legacies will be considerably cheaper, even at the last minute.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 17):
What exactly would the competition do if BA went out advertising that they have comparable or even cheaper fares, how would the LCC's react?

This is a very good point and may in fact be the legacies strategy, but I would have to say that this thread is more about what the prospective passenger does than what the airline does. But basically, you're right, the legacies "quietly" place a certain amount of seats for even less than the low-costs are offering, and its up to the savy customer to find these deals. The prospective customers who believe in all that exagerrated hype that its always the low-costs that are cheaper, well they'll be the ones that will pay a whole lot more than in the end !!!


User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5037 times:



Quoting Acabgd (Reply 18):
What is this "seat allocation fee"??

Most low-cost airlines do not have pre-assigned seating. such as Easyjet and Ryanair, so no one can buy seat allocations, but they can buy speedy boarding opasses, which allows them to be one of the first few people to board the plane, so they will have the best choice of seats.

On an airline like FlyBe they do assign seats, but if you pay a seat allocation fee then you can choose exactly where you want to sit when you buy the ticket. If you don't pay a seat allocation fee, when you check-in a you will have to choose whatever seats are left. So if you want to make sure you get a window seat, then you need to pay the seat allocation fee. Or you can do what I did when I flew FlyBe and just chance it i.e. show up at the airport on the day and hope that there is still a window seat left, which luckily in my case there was.

On a legacy airline like BA, where they do seat allocations but dont charge fee's, then you can request what seat you want weeks before departure for free.

Basically seat allocation fees are only done by those semi-low cost carriers, like FlyBe, not the real low-cost carriers like Easyjet or Ryanair, and not the legacies like British Airways.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

This half-wit journalist isn't comparing like with like.

FR flys from stansted and not LGW like the others.

The BA flight out of Gatwick has a dreadful flight time. It goes at night and you therefore have to include a minimum 30 quid taxi fare in Palma and waste a whole days' stay at your hotel ( 60 quid plus). That's 90 quid on top of the airfare.

EZY have 3 flights a day. It's only the midday flight (my favourite choice)that is expensive. The early morning and evening flight are very cheap.

The principle of 'like for like' is extremely important when comparing prices and would form the basis of any compensation claim.


User currently offlineGlobeex From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Well, to be honest.
During my two years in Britain, I was living near STN. For holidays I needed to go back to Germany (living near Frankfurt). At the beginning I used to fly FR from HHN to STN. However sometime I figured out that BA on FRA-LCY was usually same price (bus, train taxi etc. incl.). So from now on I would only use BA. First of all it wasn't more hassle even with the trip to Liverpoolstation and the bus to LCY, compared to Checking and security in STN on a usualy friday evening. In fact, on some flights BA turned out to be far cheaper. They sometimes allowed me to have 25kg+ luggage. On Ryanair this would have costed me an extra 80€ one way. Even if BA would have charged me the aditional weight, still 40€ less.
However, the most important thing was, that even though it always was O/D I was flying, I allways knew, that I was look after. Once the FRA-LCY couldn't be operated as one FA was sick. Therefore they didn't have enough FAs to operate the flight. They offered me to rebook me on FRA-LHR + upgrade, or book me on the next flight, the next day + upgrade + hotel.
On FR it could have been: okay, we'll refund you: "Here are your 50€ (excl. tax, as they will keep it), and of course minus our 25€ service charge. 25€ Here you go sir!".

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

I just booked CDG-LIS-CDG for a 4 day trip in May

AF: 168€
U2: 176€
TP: 231€
ZI: unbookable, you have to go through a travel agent (charter airline)

I get Flying Blue miles, a decent meal and lower chance of getting stuck in CDG/LIS with the once-daily flight you have some days of the week on EZY.

Even if AF was €20 more expensive, I would have still gone with AF. (because I like U2). With Ryanair, different story, you fly out of BVA and it has to be significantly cheaper to justify the hassle



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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3724 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 21):

The principle of 'like for like' is extremely important when comparing prices

A 'decent' journalist doesn't let that kind of common sense get in the way of a story.

FR, U2 and BA all fly LGW-ALC, which would have been a slightly better 'like for like' comparison.


25 Trintocan : An interesting discussion. I would however have to side with the journalist on one issue - namely the route that she chose. Indeed, the FR service to
26 Thestooges : Maybe its just me and the fact that I'd been backpacking for over 6 years by that point but on a two week trip to South America from London last year
27 Viscount724 : On BA it depends on the class of service and whether you are a Gold or Silver Executive Club member (or equivalent in other Oneworld frequent flyer p
28 Ken777 : Haven't been traveling for a while because of health, but I would generally need a major price increase not to fly with a oneworld carrier - simply be
29 Richardw : They seem to have reduced these for summer 09 compared to summer 08 from LGW.
30 AAMDanny : I think BA are much more reasonable that FR and U2 Ive booked several trips to BCN and its so much easier with BA that FR, and on 7 out of the 10 trip
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