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Last Spantax' Coronado: Trying To Save It  
User currently offlineHornet From Spain, joined Feb 2000, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Hello,
We are a group of classic airliners enthusiasts in Spain intending to restore an old Convair 990 “Coronado” aircraft.

The aircraft in question is registered in Spain as EC-BZO and was owned by the Spanish charter airline SPANTAX (1959-1988). The aircraft in question was built in 1962 and was bought by American Airlines, who later sold it to Spantax in 1972. These aircraft remained operating until 1987 and was the last operational Coronado of the company until its final demise.

This Coronado has been stored for 22 years at a remote apron of Palma de Mallorca airport. After all these years the aircraft has been transferred to a Spanish aeronautical Foundation known as “Fundación Aeronáutica Mallorquina” of which we are members.

At this stage, we have met a group of aviation related people to create a group of qualified personnel composed of aeronautical engineers, ground mechanics, pilots, etc. who voluntarily are wishing to contribute in order to restore this exceptional aircraft.

We also are producing some memorabilia on this theme, such as stickers, t-shirts, etc.


If interested or wish to support our group please join our Facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=36277279406&ref=ts#

youTube too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MztdQMyFNjg

Official website of the Fundación Aeronautica Mallorquina:
http://www.fam-ib.org/

Thanks

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User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6955 times:



Quoting Hornet (Thread starter):
At this stage, we have met a group of aviation related people to create a group of qualified personnel composed of aeronautical engineers, ground mechanics, pilots, etc. who voluntarily are wishing to contribute in order to restore this exceptional aircraft.

Good luck with that - it's an aircraft worth saving!!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

When you get done, let the airport management at ELP know what a gem they have sitting on the ramp there:


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It was flown in in 1996, and was fully airworthy...



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6528 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 2):
When you get done, let the airport management at ELP know what a gem they have sitting on the ramp there:


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Photo © Andy Martin - AirTeamImages



It was flown in in 1996, and was fully airworthy...

Lot's of museums have tried to get this airplane but the owner owes the airport in back tie down fee's and other fee's so it has a lean againist it. The owner has been contacted many times, but he wants what he paid he it. The way it's going this engine will be cut up. As for airworthy, It was flown in 1992 and now has a bad fuel control on #3 because this airplane was just parked and not preserved. Good luck finding parts for CJ805-23's since I count 16 in the world, and 4 of them are on this airplane.

David
team convair 880
www.convairjets.com



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6468 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 3):
David
team convair 880
www.convairjets.com

Should read www.convairjet.com

David



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User currently offlineCV990Coronado From South Africa, joined Nov 2007, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
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I'm confused as I don't speak Spanish so the website is difficult for me. That is a very sad movie was EC-BZO broken up it seems so from the Video?

If so which one is going to be restored I notice another on in the background in the movie but I can see the reg.

If not it would be great to save it another example of this rare, beautiful and very special aircraft.

The Ciskei airways aircraft at ELP who owns that one.

The ex NASA one isn't that in somewhere at Mojave and does anyone know what condition its in ?

We can give a BIG thank you to the old Swissair for the one at the transport museum in Luzern.

Maybe another one can be restored so that others will still be able to see how very special this wonderful aircraft was.

I wish I was Bill Gates I could buy the beauty and a big clean air con hanger to keep her safe.



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6240 times:



Quoting CV990Coronado (Reply 5):
The ex NASA one isn't that in somewhere at Mojave and does anyone know what condition its in ?

Ship #29 the NASA airplane in Mojave is now a gate guard and has had parts robbed off it off Ship #2 the ex ASPA airplane that FOX Network bought in 1999 to crash for a TV special. The TV show didn't get filmed and Ship #2 is intact in Mojave which the airport leases out for film work in movies and or commercials. Between ship #2 and ship #29 you could get a 990 flying if you had millions of dollars to pour into the fuel tank.

David



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

El Paso you say? Convair 990 you say?

Well heck, my hunch was correct...prior to Denver Port of Call, this same ship served for the Canadian operator Nordair:


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Since we Canadians up here botched keeping an original TCA/Air Canada Constellation up here (but thankyou to the Museum of Flight for restoring her to original TCA colourscheme)... perhaps we should save her from her sleep in Texas, and bring her back up here? hmmm

Good Luck to you all in Spain. The 990 Coronado was an important aircraft for Spantex, and I loved both colourschemes on her!



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6144 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
El Paso you say? Convair 990 you say?

Well heck, my hunch was correct...prior to Denver Port of Call, this same ship served for the Canadian operator Nordair:


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Photo © Frank Croom




Since we Canadians up here botched keeping an original TCA/Air Canada Constellation up here (but thankyou to the Museum of Flight for restoring her to original TCA colourscheme)... perhaps we should save her from her sleep in Texas, and bring her back up here? hmmm

Too bad that little airline east of ELP couldn't save her for the CR Smith Museum considering she was their airplane first.

David



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6013 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 8):
Too bad that little airline east of ELP couldn't save her for the CR Smith Museum considering she was their airplane first.

David

The Tower Museum in HOU had a pretty good go, the deal fell apart at the last minute when they were unable to secure insurance for a ferry flight from ELP to HOU  Sad



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5952 times:



Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 7):
Since we Canadians up here botched keeping an original TCA/Air Canada Constellation up here (but thankyou to the Museum of Flight for restoring her to original TCA colourscheme)... perhaps we should save her from her sleep in Texas, and bring her back up here? hmmm

Canada never had a special relationship with the Convair 990... If two places deserve a preserved Convair, it's Palma because Spantax was the airline flying it the longest and most, and American's museum in Dallas as it was the launch operator.
Thinking of Canadian aviation I thinkof DC-4s, CL-44s, DHC's, C-46s, DC-8s, 732s and HS-748s instead, there are some aviation museums and they should try to preserve one of each.



nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5741 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 8):
Too bad that little airline east of ELP couldn't save her for the CR Smith Museum considering she was their airplane first.

David

The Tower Museum in HOU had a pretty good go, the deal fell apart at the last minute when they were unable to secure insurance for a ferry flight from ELP to HOU

Did not know that. I guess that issue would kill just about any flight then?

Best of luck with the Spantax project though,



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5633 times:



Quoting 4holer (Reply 11):
Did not know that. I guess that issue would kill just about any flight then?

Well, I'm kind of wondering, in light of a new piece of information I found out in this thread:

Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 3):
As for airworthy, It was flown in 1992 and now has a bad fuel control on #3 because this airplane was just parked and not preserved. Good luck finding parts for CJ805-23's since I count 16 in the world, and 4 of them are on this airplane.

I'm wondering if they proposed doing a 3-engine ferry (legal in a quad, as long as only required crew is aboard) and that's why the insurance companies balked at insuring the ferry flight  scratchchin  A 3-engine ferry, on a type that NOBODY has flown in years, by a flight crew who's probably a little rusty on CV990 procedures, is a little risky...  Wink



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

I guess it´s Boeing whom owns the rights to those planes and they have revoked the flightlicens, just like Airbus done on the Caravelle and Concorde.

User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 13):
I guess it´s Boeing
whom owns the rights to those planes and they have revoked the flightlicens, just like Airbus done on the Caravelle and Concorde.

Why would Boeing care about a Convair aircraft they don't have any interest in them. Convair was bought by General Dynamics which in turn was bought by Lockheed.

The Type Cert. was bought and sold lots of times. I have heard the owner of the 880/990 TC is the person that was going to restore Convair 880 SN#23. I know for a fact this person has every Blueprint in a semi truck on the 880 and 990.

David

Here's your owners of the AA,POC,NE,Ciskel Airplane maybe people should ask them what there going to do with it
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=8357C

Here's the Type Cert of the 880
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...da086257495004aea78/$FILE/4A27.pdf
And the 990
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...2cf86257495004b581f/$FILE/4A30.pdf

[Edited 2009-04-04 03:01:51]


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5293 times:

I remember reading about the guy trying to restore the CV880 that was used in 'The Rookie',in MHV. Never heard any more about it. Can one even be flown on something other than a ferry permit?


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Boeing767Mech

That would be Doug Scroggins.


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5231 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
Boeing767Mech

That would be Doug Scroggins.

Yes it is, but to respect of him I wasn't going to drop his name.

David



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5199 times:

According to Jet Airliner Production List, that aircraft is registered to James Douglas Scroggins III.

Whilst you did not name him, your clue was so obvious ...


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