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Aircraft Interiors Expo 09: Some Highlights + Pics  
User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 56664 times:

I had the pleasure of visiting the Aircraft Interiors Expo in Hamburg on 31 March 2009. I though it would be nice to take some time to share some of my highlights from the Expo.

We'll start off with some of the products we are already familiar with and then go on from there.

Note: you may want to hold the Ctrl button when clicking the pictures to load the photos in a new tab as I am not sure if it will automatically open a new window







B/E Aerospace manufactured Cathay Pacific's First Class toilet facilities which feature a classy tap (fawcett??) and sink.






Here is the relaunched B/E Aerospace seat for Japan Air Lines. Apparently it's more space efficient somehow. The recline is not shown unfortunately but there is an incline of eleven degrees (perhaps reduced to eight inflight. For comparison, Singapore Airlines' SpaceBed has an incline of eight degrees (again, perhaps reduced to five inflight)).




Marc Newson's wonderful creativity manifested in the B/E Aerospace manufactured Qantas SkyBed. Note the wonderful "design language" confounding any "designer's neurosis" that Newson may or may not have had. It was comfortable but I didn't think much of the massage function despite trying to play with the intensity.




Not much to say about this one. I think it's Qatar's fully-flat Business Class product manufactured by B/E Aerospace.




Not many pictures but the product is known anyway. This appears to be United Air Line's new J in what appears to be a sports-car stylised theme. That privacy screen is a bit useless though !




This is Contour's (part of Premium Aircraft Interiors Group) Aura product. Apparently the best-selling J seat for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. There are more pictures here








Here is Sicma Aero Seat's Majesty product which some of you may recognise as Emirates' A380 J. There are some differences: no mini bar, I think the armrests are different and the table comes out from under the PTV in front of the pax (no picture I'm afraid!).






This is the Weber 7811 seat which some may recognise as Singapore Airlines' New Regional Business Class. A very well designed and comfortable seat with features that have obviously been learnt from their New Business Class. One-touch seat->bed and vice versa feature would have been nice (if my memory serves me correctly).






I'm not sure what product this is but it was made by Weber.








Voila / hier ist Swiss' New Business Class. Very nice, aesthetically pleasing and comfortable. This was on the Lantal Textiles stand. Lantal make the pneumatic cushioning which allows the passenger to make the seat harder or softer. While I'm sure it actually does work, after playing with the seat for about two minutes and varying the intensity of the softness and firmness, I didn't feel any difference between firm and soft. I did hear the pneumatics clicking which meant something was happenning though if that's any consolation.






Similarly, here is basically the same product but on the Thomson Aero Seating stand. It's the Vantage (manufactured by Contour in partnership with Thomson). The product is well-known but here's a picture to show the space for one's feet / legs. Thomson has also redesigned the table so that it is still generously-sized but can now swivel 360 degrees (I suspect this is something that was instigated by feedback from the other Thomson-inspired product, EK's A380 J).






Recaro had a big stand with many premium and economy class products. However the debuted their "Phantom". Unfortunately their stand was very busy but nonetheless here's a view of their cabin lay out plan of sorts. More information available at their News Release.










This was an interesting concept that caught my eye by Rucker (a German company). It's a First Class concept. Yes, that is a sink (well, the bowl at least) and a mirror. An impressive product but before someone cries "OTT" the company did make it clear that it was a concept. I assume it is to show what they can do and what one could do with the concept's footprint.










Here is the Solstys by EADS Sogerma. It is similar to Etihad's Business Class product which is called the "Pearl". The Solstys has been selected by THAI Airways for their Airbus A380. First impressions were good. The bed was comfortable to lie in and was quite long. It is a space-efficient product but I was undecided on whether passengers would want the tray table there (even though it is unobtrusive).

Below are some captures from the Solstys brochure.


















Here is one of my personal favourites (and one of those to watch according to FlightGlobal Blogger Runway Girl) - the Cirrus by Sicma Aero Seat and designed in conjunction with James Park Associates (who also designed the Singapore Airlines SkySuite, New First Class and New Business Class). A sufficiently wide product which was comfortable to lie and sit in. You will note the space for a mini-bar (not refrigerated) and the convenient positioning of the various connectivity ports and IFE controller. If I remember correctly, the maximum size of the PTV is 15.4" which is more or less standard nowadays. The table is very large and more importantly, it swivels allowing one to leave the seat during a meal service. It is indeed a very impressive product. I can also reveal that it has been chosen by US Airways and a carrier in the Far East. Some people at Singapore Airlines will be pausing for thought - oh dear.

Below are two videos. One shows that the triangle thing can be lowered to create more elbow room in bed mode. The second shows me slightly struggling with the table while filming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T4_UfktbCo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl2VsrFpayA

[Sorry, for some reason I am not allowed to embed the videos]

And below are some selected images from the Cirrus brochure:
















What is this?

Well Sicma Aero Seat was one of the companies working on the Singapore Airlines Suites. Obviously they have used that knowledge and have created this: MYAH which stands for Make Yourself At Home. Note the good privacy and the storage space (though I'm not sure if that is large enough for some passengers). That is a real bed. Unlike the Singapore Airlines Suites, this bed does not have to be deployed. If I recall, the bed is 26cm wide. I can't remember how long but it was sufficient. Also in the last picture you will see that the bed for the seat/bed/cabin behind is actually lower and part of the bed lays below the bed in front. In addition, that is the maximum the seat can recline. I have to add that the Sicma representative was kind enough not to laugh too much as I bumped my head hard against the bulkhead when trying the bed! Alas, I have no brochure for MYAH and no pictures of the table.


I end with the following because I think it sets a new standard in passenger comfort.





This was my first time experiencing the Thomson Cozy Suite. It has been chosen by Delta Air Lines for some of their aircraft. I am quite sure that the pitch you see there is 31" and the seat width is 17.9". However, the seat seemed much more spacious akin to a 19" wide seat (such as Singapore Airlines' New Economy Class) and the legroom was definitely generous. It's a fixed-shell design and it DOES RECLINE (contrary to some perceptions). There is a bar underneath the seat cushion which allows the passenger to recline in the same fashion as the JAL Premium Economy seat does. Further, the seat pan is automatically recessed into the seat which eases greatly movement for the middle and window seat passengers making it a more pleasant experience for all.

The seat has passed certification with more than flying colours and can also house the IFE which I think negates the need for even a slimline IFE box.

At 11-abreast on an A380. the Thomson Cozy Suite allows airlines to pack more people in (and earn more revenue) while, in my opinion, improving passenger comfort to those travelling Economy Class compared to existing products. It is an excellent product that I am confident will please in terms of spaciousness and comfort, not to mention innovation. Any airline that takes this product in its most basic form is taking a step in the right direction in my opinion.

Thank you for reading.


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 56558 times:

Awesome post!

I was taking my time looking at all the photos and your captions, but in the back of my mind, wondering where the Thompson staggered seats were! In this day and age, we sre have come a long way from what was the industry standard just 10 years ago.

My only question is, now that they (the Thompson seats) have been certified, when was DL's projected introduction into the fleet? Can we expect it to be the norm stright out of the factory on newer, larger a/c say the 77L as they aquire more over the next few years? I am also a strong believer that they will pick up a handfull of 773 but who knows. I would imagine it will come on those to increase Y capacity.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2807 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 56199 times:

Excellent thread with interesting comments and great pics. thanks


I bitterly miss the livery that should never have been changed (repetition...)
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 55848 times:

Awesome post. Bravo. give a round of applause for the op for starting the latest thread in aircraft seating.

KH



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 55425 times:

Great tread, thanks!

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Voila / hier ist Swiss' New Business Class. Very nice, aesthetically pleasing and comfortable.

Finnair is getting similar from November this year, and heard also Delta (?).
An other pic:
http://www.patrick-lindon.com/bilder/proj-thso-van1.jpg


User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 55237 times:

Great write up. Cheers mate.  Wink

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 54320 times:

Great coverage and pics of the expo....

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Not many pictures but the product is known anyway. This appears to be United Air Line's new J in what appears to be a sports-car stylised theme. That privacy screen is a bit useless though !

I think that's what CO is putting on their aircraft, UAs seats are a bit different then what's shown although they may be made by the same manufacturer.



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 48938 times:

That's extensive. Thank you so much for taking the time to post all of it!

- MBMBOS


User currently offlineAdam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 47852 times:

those staggered seats are intriguing. I am interested to fly in an aircraft with them to compare and contrast the different options. I think this new design will work well and will give the solitary passenger more privacy as they wont be *right* next to the adjacent passenger.

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 47729 times:

I bought a DL first class seat set for a couple hundred bucks at their museum store and it's sitting off to the side in my living room.

How much woulda pair of these cost.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 46682 times:

Excellent post, and thanks for the commentary. Are you working for THE airline now?


There's always a better way to fly...
User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3318 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 46553 times:

That has to be the best posting so far this year. Very well done.  bigthumbsup 


you don't get a second chance to make a first impression!
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 46249 times:

Wonderful thread!

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
the Cirrus by Sicma Aero Seat ... I can also reveal that it has been chosen by US Airways and a carrier in the Far East. Some people at Singapore Airlines will be pausing for thought - oh dear.

MH for their A380?


User currently offlineOceanic From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 137 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41332 times:

Some more pics and info for the Thompson Cozy Suite can be found here:

http://www.thompsonsolutions.co.uk/ts_cozysuite.html

I really like this quote under the "High Comfort" link

Quote:
These are valuable increases given the continued growth in average passenger size (particularly US nationals)

Is the recessed seat pan a new development? I couldn't recall hearing about that before today.


User currently offlinePropilotjw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 38834 times:

I still don't see how a person sitting in the window seat gets out of the row to go to the lav when there are people sleeping in the middle and aisle seats. The way that the seat cushion slides up is great but it only works when the seat is not occupied.

Most of us have been in a situation where we have to wiggle our way out of the window seat while our seatmates are fast asleep.


User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 37987 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):
Awesome post!



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 2):
Excellent thread with interesting comments and great pics



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 3):
Awesome post



Quoting Andaman (Reply 4):
Great tread, thanks



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 5):
Great write up.



Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
Great coverage and pics of the expo....



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 7):
Thank you so much for taking the time to post all of it!



Quoting SQ772 (Reply 10):
Excellent post, and thanks for the commentary



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 11):
Very well done.



Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 12):
Wonderful thread!

Thank you all  Smile

Quoting Propilotjw (Reply 14):
still don't see how a person sitting in the window seat gets out of the row to go to the lav

Hmm yes - I forgot to see how that would work. But I'm guessing it's just like now where, if the pax aren't sleeping, you have to all get out and let the window pax move through. But it's easier as the seat pans are less obtrusive.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):
when was DL's projected introduction into the fleet?

A quick look on the Thomson Aero Seat site seems to indicate 2010.

Quoting United1 (Reply 6):
think that's what CO is putting on their aircraft

Oh indeed. Apologies - I got the two mixed up. You are certainly correct.

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 10):
Are you working for THE airline now?

Alas, I have no interest or desire to join the airline industry !

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 12):
MH for their A380?

No, not MH !



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37930 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
The table is very large and more importantly, it swivels allowing one to leave the seat during a meal service. It is indeed a very impressive product. I can also reveal that it has been chosen by US Airways and a carrier in the Far East.

Now this is interesting to hear, what aircraft would US be placing them on their A330s? I believe their 767s just got new seat anyway? How interesting, when may we begin to see them?


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37794 times:

The thomson cozy looks great. hopefully this will be a standard economy product in 10 years of time. or even better.

Regds
jush



There is one problem with airbus. Though their products are engineering marvels they lack passion, completely.
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37784 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Reply 15):

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 10):
Are you working for THE airline now?

Alas, I have no interest or desire to join the airline industry !

So no then.  Smile

I'd love to hear what you do for a living that excites and interests you more than airliners - must be some career!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37749 times:

Great post.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
I'd love to hear what you do for a living that excites and interests you more than airliners - must be some career!

Rumour has it the sanitary pad industry is quite absorbing...

Whatever you're up to Singapore_Air, hope it's lots of fun and keeps you getting up in the morning with a  Smile or even Big grin.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 37740 times:



Quoting Teahan (Reply 19):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
I'd love to hear what you do for a living that excites and interests you more than airliners - must be some career!

Rumour has it the sanitary pad industry is quite absorbing...

Whatever you're up to Singapore_Air, hope it's lots of fun and keeps you getting up in the morning with a   or even .

Travel writer perhaps? Either way - i hope you are having fun and flying often!  Smile



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKrisworldB777 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 571 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 35600 times:

Thorough, insightful and interesting. Thank you for taking the time to file the report Singapore_Air.

The Cirrus certainly looks like an interesting product. I'm looking forward to seeing more.


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 35329 times:

Is it official that US will use Cirrus?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19934 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 34964 times:



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
Recaro had a big stand with many premium and economy class products. However the debuted their "Phantom". Unfortunately their stand was very busy but nonetheless here's a view of their cabin lay out plan of sorts. More information available at their News Release.

I don't understand the benefit of this layout. Unlike Thompson, it doesn't appear to allow for greater packing. But the staggering of the seats does make each row take up more room, even if they stack in the same pitch as a straight row. So it appears to me that the layout here would cost more than it would make. Unless you're going to use staggering to overlap passengers a bit, a-la Thompson, there's no point to it.

What am I missing?

Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):

This was my first time experiencing the Thomson Cozy Suite.

My question is how the layout works at the cabin ends. The angle on these is quite severe and it seems to me as if it'll leave a lot of dead space.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 34597 times:



Quoting Oceanic (Reply 13):
These are valuable increases given the continued growth in average passenger size (particularly US nationals)

 rotfl 

Quoting Jush (Reply 17):
The thomson cozy looks great. hopefully this will be a standard economy product in 10 years of time. or even better.

Considering that they are saying that it will increase comfort and capacity, I think it will. Maybe in even less time as that. All but eliminates the need for slimline.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
I don't understand the benefit of this layout

Looks quite "messy". I would have to agree though but then again, i'm not looking at the specs/data that they are looking at.



What gets measured gets done.
25 JAL : Wow! So many wonderful pics! Very Nice!
26 SInGAPORE_AIR : Thank you Well there is not press release to be seen but I am sure they will announce it when they see fit. Unfortunately, I did not ask them what ai
27 BA744PHX : No apologies needed you already provided more then enough info thanks!
28 Tavong : Thanks for the info, the pics....a job well done. Thanks again! Gus SKBO
29 USAirALB : 332
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