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New Zealand Aviation #53 - April Edition  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12705 times:
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Welcome to the 53rd edition of New Zealand's Aviation threads.

In Thread #52 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...al_aviation/read.main/4357756/1/#1 , we learnt, discussed and suffered from:

- ZQN and budget airlines
- NZs ZEAL crews announce an easter strike
- JQ - what their lower costs are
- Tasman routes becoming domesric
- NZ confirms a RFP for their B733 fleet replacement from both Airbus and Boeing
- NZ cabin crew lay overs in Australia
- Tiger entering Tasman battle grounds?
- The usual posts from RealDeal
- The chances of DJ and QF bringing over smaller aircraft for regional flights
- The need for more International airports
- NZ threatens to cancel 25 regional services per week due to new work laws
- Zeal crew members stood down due tp breaching uniform rules

Lets get this thread started

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12709 times:
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Four more Zeal crew members have been stood down this afternoon after refusing to remove wigs, which forced a CHC-SYD flight to be cancelled. This is on top of the 9 who were stood down yesterday

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2310...56/Flight-grounded-after-wigs-worn


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12624 times:

People may be interested to hear that having axed their own Japan services Air Pacific are now negotiating with Aircalin and Air NZ to operate codeshares on their behalf.

Aircalin would fly such services as A330 flights NRT/KIX-NOU, connecting to an A320 NOU-NAN. But the negotiations with Air NZ reportedly operate on the basis of NZ being restored NAN-NRT carriage rights.

I think that that would be great, and may even work well with a connecting NRT-Europe flight.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12614 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 2):
But the negotiations with Air NZ reportedly operate on the basis of NZ being restored NAN-NRT carriage rights.

I think that that would be great, and may even work well with a connecting NRT-Europe flight.

I'm not sure that the bilateral allows onward traffic from Japan. Can someone elucidate?



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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12601 times:

Air Pacific, Air New Zealand, Aircalin and Air Tahiti Nui have all experienced a collapse in profits and volumes on their Japan routes.

There has to be some way of pooling the services and sharing the liability. All four countries need Japanese inbound tourism but none of them have enough to make JAL or ANA want to fly their own metal there.

I'd be very happy to see NAN as a hub for three or four of those carriers' Japan services.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12561 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 2):

Where did you hear this?


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12456 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 4):
I'd be very happy to see NAN as a hub for three or four of those carriers' Japan services.

I tend to agree. KIX looks like it should probably be ditched altogether (on costs alone, given the complaints of other carriers pulling out of Kansai), but if not, I'd route all KIX flights through NAN and say half the weekly flights to NRT via NAN (767s?) with the remainder being nonstop from AKL (777s?). I do wonder if the CHC return service is still necessary given the reportedly collapsing volumes, so concentrating out of AKL would seem to make sense.

Actually didn't NZ do something like this for its Seoul services, ie. via NAN? Or was it via BNE? Either way, it does seem to be a sensible strategy for marginal routes.


User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12383 times:

NZ1

With the 767 going to HGK for the winglet commencing June will any existing 767 services be replaced by other a/c .

How long will it take to fix the winglets on each aircraft?

Thanks



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 12293 times:



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 3):
'm not sure that the bilateral allows onward traffic from Japan. Can someone elucidate?


Connecting traffic can always happen. AirNZ has had a codeshare with JAL, where JAL sells the service between NZ and UK, and people ride on AirNZ between NZ and Tokyo/Osaka. This is the service where JAL throws in a night in a hotel in Japan, and no one can afford to eat at the hotel restaurant that night. But this routing often gives a good fare between NZ and UK/Europe.

AirNZ had a couple of seasons when they routed flights between Osaka, Taipei, Seoul and NZ via Queensland. This was to give Asian tourists a two centre holiday on the Gold Coast and in NZ. The first flights between NZ and Japan operated via Fiji, in a good old DC-8.

If the loadings are really bad, even consolidation between airlines may not be enough to save the routes. If Asian passengers are just not travelling, sharing the pain will not save the route. The current period is terrible for loads on all long haul carriers. Unfortunately, people were wildly optimistic about what the new airport at Kansai was going to do for them - a goldmine.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12203 times:
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A few months ago several members on here were wondering if NZ still has seasonal Pacific Island flights from WLG and CHC to the Islands. Today at work I was reading through an NZ in-flight mag. The mag had an article on Fiji as part of its monthly look at destinations accross its network. At the part where it said how you can get to NAN, it said that between June and August NZ has flights between WLG and CHC to NAN operated by A320s.

The DJ mag I read afterwards also was a good read.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2247 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12201 times:
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Quoting 767er (Reply 7):
NZ1

With the 767 going to HGK for the winglet commencing June will any existing 767 services be replaced by other a/c .

How long will it take to fix the winglets on each aircraft?

About 4 weeks per aircraft, which also includes a C check. A few services have been substituted for either an A320 or 777.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ560 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 12197 times:

On their online timetable to looks like it maybe once a week with an A320 operated by the Zeal crew.


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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12121 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6):



Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Where did you hear this?

More than one place actually. The Aircalin negotiations were covered on the Pacific Islands Report website a couple of days ago, for example.


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12116 times:

From another thread.........
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This week is the last one Air France will send its Airbus A340-300 fleet to LAX and on to PPT.
From April 2nd the first ever scheduled Boeing 777-200ER will land in Papeete.

Tahiti saw 777 before, particularly a BA aircraft carrying HRH Queen Elizabeth II and a ANZ machine that was substituted to the regular 767.

Air France will send the 777-200ER to PPT as AF 674 and will return as AF 673. All flights will operate with 4P, 49J and 211Y seats.
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And that, my friends, is the difference between a nimble, tightly managed (nowadays) airline and Air New Zealand.

Air NZ sent a rickety 767 with 24 obsolete Business recliners and 210 Economy seats on LAX-PPT, and wondered why they always sold out Business but never Economy.

In contrast, for the same number of Economy seats Air France has more than twice as many Business lie-flat beds, plus 4 First Class seats. They will earn more revenue from the 53 pointy end seats than NZ did on the whole aircraft.

There is a global recession, sure. But Californians and Texans don't fly economy class for 9 hours to get to their $1000 per night overwater bungalow. Except in the dreams of Air New Zealand's route planners, for whom "the islands" are all the same.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12060 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
were covered on the Pacific Islands Report website a couple of days ago, for example.

Any link?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12040 times:
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Pac Blue profit down, new boss


Australian carrier Virgin Blue’s New Zealand budget offshoot Pacific Blue yesterday announced a new boss for the company, the same day it posted its latest accounts three months late showing a profit decline.

The company has poached Air New Zealand’s Mt Cook airlines manager Mark Pitt to run its operations following the retirement of John Bartlett last month.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...3246/Pac-Blue-profit-down-new-boss


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12002 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 2):
People may be interested to hear that having axed their own Japan services Air Pacific are now negotiating with Aircalin and Air NZ to operate codeshares on their behalf.



Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Any link?

http://pidp.eastwestcenter.org/pireport/2009/April/04-02-12.htm

That's the Aircalin bit, not the NZ one, but bear in mind that FJ has much closer links with NZ than SB as you read it.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5293 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11772 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6):
I tend to agree. KIX looks like it should probably be ditched altogether (on costs alone, given the complaints of other carriers pulling out of Kansai), but if not, I'd route all KIX flights through NAN and say half the weekly flights to NRT via NAN (767s?) with the remainder being nonstop from AKL (777s?). I do wonder if the CHC return service is still necessary given the reportedly collapsing volumes, so concentrating out of AKL would seem to make sense.

Actually didn't NZ do something like this for its Seoul services, ie. via NAN? Or was it via BNE? Either way, it does seem to be a sensible strategy for marginal routes.

Yep BNE first then NAN later or was it the other way around. Some NZ flights to TPE, Seoul and KIX went through there, they had a weekly NAN-NRT flight aswell. I agree that KIX should be ditched but I think the deal with JAL keeps them flying there. There will be a schedule change to KIX in December giving more connecting options with an early morning arrival into KIX.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Some good results for Air NZ in the Skytrax awards this year..


* Best cabin crew, Australasian region
* 3rd in 'best economy class' (behind QR and OZ)
* 5th in 'best business class' (behind Etihad, SQ, VS, and BA)
* 3rd in 'best premium economy' (behind VS and BR)
* 8th in 'best airline (overall)', which was won by CX.



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3128 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11612 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):

Quoting Koruman (Reply 12):
were covered on the Pacific Islands Report website a couple of days ago, for example.

Any link?

http://www.fijilive.com/news_new/index.php/news/show_news/14797

FJ's north Asia focus is now on China with HKG flights starting in June...

http://www.japancorp.net/Article.asp?Art_ID=20675

The interim military regime has been courting favour with China given its ostracism by traditional aid allies, Australia and New Zealand (which were both as usual the first to help in the recent floods). And who are both still the most important inbound tourism markets - holiday in Samoa, Tonga, the Cooks or the Fr. Pacific until Fijian democracy is back on track.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

Some interesting comments in an opinion piece from Andrew Miller, former COO of Air NZ..

(snip)

While Qantas is unlikely to pursue the Air New Zealand path again, it is possible that Virgin Blue may consider such an alliance at some stage given its involvement in the Australian, New Zealand and Pacific markets.

Depending on the circumstances, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that a relationship of this kind would also include a third party. After all, Air New Zealand, Singapore Airlines and Ansett entered into a three-way partnership in 1998 -- one that received the blessing of the competition regulators at that time, but never really developed fully and finally expired with Ansett's collapse in 2001-02.

The acid test for governments, the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission and New Zealand regulatory bodies is whether they would contemplate approving a resurrected version of the Air New Zealand-SIA-Ansett alliance with, say, Virgin Blue as the Australian partner.


Full article here:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,28124,25280231-23349,00.html



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11529 times:

are the 77W's coming with the new cabin design?? Could we see a change to the seats (like what VS have?) in premium economy this would be a great place to spend some extra money on,


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4851 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11510 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 21):
are the 77W's coming with the new cabin design??

Apparently. NZ1 reported sometime ago that Fyfe's response to a direct question on whether NZ would consider taking earlier 77W's was that the cabin design could not be ready any sooner ( than late 2010 I assume ) .
What the changes will be are probably still being formulated. I would expect they would need to make a decision by this September at the latest.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11355 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 22):

Can someone remind me (and any others) who have forgotten what NZ are proposing for as part of their new cabin designs. I know they are planning bunk beds for Y pax.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11335 times:

Many things have been considered, including bunk beds, staggered economy seating, etc.

This is probably one of the better media articles about it: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/16387

Nothing has been set in stone yet, but IMO it's great to see them thinking so radically about the entire Economy experience. Nathan Agnew sounds like a top bloke.



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25 777ER : kind of like what CO is installing in their long haul fleet in an
26 ANstar : Do you mean Delta? As far as I'm aware they are the only ones who have announced they will be doing that config.
27 777ER : Is it DL? I thought it was CO who were installing the arrow type config
28 NZ107 : I just hope they don't put in the BA style Economy seats. I'd hate to be sitting backwards and worst of all being able to see the other 2 looking for
29 NZ1 : Yes they will have a new cabin design, but that is still being developed, and will be a closely guarded secret until a lot closer to roll-out. NZ1
30 MotorHussy : Think you're referring to BA's business class arrangement. A reaction that most would find a little extreme. I think the design's great, very space e
31 Post contains links 777ER : Pilot training school gets boost New Zealand's largest pilot training business has boosted its fleet to 37 with $2 million recently invested in six ne
32 Post contains links ANstar : And it would seem neither is anyone else! http://www.etravelblackboard.com/sho...cle.asp?CID=54777&id=90694&nav=130
33 Post contains links 777ER : Christchurch Airport greenlights terminal Christchurch International Airport has confirmed a $208 million domestic terminal redevelopment, hoping the
34 QF45 : Possibly already been drilled, spat on and run through a washing machine on one of the NZ forums but what was the main issues with the design? From m
35 777ER : From memory NZ wasn't happy with how much the project would cost as pax would end up footing the bill. Several airlines are still not happy with the
36 VirginFlyer : On the subject of airport terminals, what's the latest with Wellington's 'Rock' terminal? Has the GFC done good taste a favour and buried it? V/F
37 Rongotai : Sorry - the building site has been active for a while now.
38 MotorHussy : And I'm looking forward to it. I'm one of the supporters of the new terminal project (design not project as I don't think it's necessary). But seeing
39 QF45 : Thought I should have a look before I commented.... So I checked out their website.... It looks like two pumpkins out of a halloween horror movie!! a
40 ETA Unknown : Have I missed something? One of our favourite posters apparently no longer exists! Snicker...
41 Zkpilot : That wouldn't be a deal thats real now would it? despite his often random posts he still had some good posts often as well...so is a shame...less 'in
42 ETA Unknown : I wouldn't say less interesting- more a case of it will take longer to reach 200 posts because of Invercargill rantings...
43 ZKSUJ : Anyone here going or been to the 'Classic Fighters' airshow in Omaka before? Its on this weekend and just wondering what its been like in the past
44 Post contains links Ash185 : Looks like Air NZ is adding more premium economy seats to its fleet, this time in the 777s. Their increasing the no. of seats from 18 to 36. http://ww
45 Ash185 : Just a quick question as to why EK changes its aircrafts and routes quite often to AKL. They have changed between 772,773,77W,A345 and have changed st
46 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ cabin crew consider strike The union representing Air New Zealand cabin crew has not ruled out taking strike action if mediation talks, planned
47 Post contains links 777ER : Welcome to a.net Ash185. The Y+ upgrade on the B777s was announced ages ago and confirmed last month that its still going ahead (this was announced b
48 QF45 : Does anyone have any idea as to how well EK is doing on the CHC-SYD-BKK-DXB route? And whether or not it will be a keeper?
49 767ER : Very popular flight - always leaves full ex SYD. The Poms love EK as it serves BHX,GLA, NCL, LGW which means avoiding LHR. I believe SYD CHC SYD doesn
50 Cchan : Is there a timetable of which months the aircrafts are arriving yet?
51 NZB : It's 99% finished, it also involved fully activating the galley at door 2. In the old config on the 777 when you walked on in my opinion Y+ felt to s
52 NZ107 : I think the current schedule is here to stay for a while. The shuffles were caused by different types of planes and schedules. Most people leaving Ne
53 Pewpew320 : Yes, I have used it a few times, it's always very full, ex CHC it's usually one of the cheaper options and the timing to SYD is great.
54 SunriseValley : In my view a dollar short and a dollar late; should have bit the bullet and gone 8 across , 18.5" seat width same as BA WT + in their 772's
55 FlyAustralian : Have been looking at going to South Island New Zealand in mid September, but fares seem incredibly high, especially when compared to current V Austral
56 Darenw : What about via Auckland, I have just looked and you should be able to do it for just under $800Aus Return
57 NZB : It would be nice if it was 8 abreast. At the moment there seems to be a healthy amount of people ready to fly 9 abreast.
58 FlyAustralian : yes but that means overnighting, which don't really want to do.
59 TG992 : Welcome back, REALDEAL.
60 Pewpew320 : I was just about to say that!
61 777ER : Welcome back REALDEAL! Why not fly to IVC via CHC and drive from there?
62 AerorobNZ : Only I believe because there isn't direct PE competition out of AKL.
63 Nzrich : Unfortunately Queenstown is not a major City with direct international flights to the USA so its always going to be much more expensive than somewher
64 EDICHC : Glad to see the 'business side' of Cant Aero Club doing so well. Sadly though this fleet expansion is really only a net fleet increase of 4 a/c follo
65 SunriseValley : But there is from LAX and HKG to LHR and v.v.
66 NZ107 : And how many of these flights are operated by the 772 in comparison to the rest of the flights the 772 makes in the NZ schedule?
67 TG992 : Not really, ZQN is a NZ's premier destination, its has always been a little more to get there. V Australia can not sustain that long term I wouldn't
68 ANstar : It will be interesting to see if NZ can maintain it's capacity on AKL-LAX given all the extra seats coming online from Australia with VA/DL. I'm sure
69 777ER : Does anyone know when QF will offer Y+ on all LAX services?
70 MotorHussy : It would seem silly to me to leave all of these more lucrative passengers to NZ, especially as NZ are increasing the size of the class proving there'
71 ZKOJH : glad to see PEK getting another service, whats that 3 x weekly? just wish they would codeshare with CA on the home front a bit more. so were going to
72 Zkpilot : The 744 Pacific fleet are being configured with Y+ with several already out there just not being sold as such yet. Of course the whalejets have Y+ so
73 DavidByrne : No, PEK was reduced to once weekly pretty soon after the Olympics, if I recall. In July it just goes back to 2 x weekly, and with PVG on 3 x weekly,
74 Mariner : Maybe I misunderstand you. Doesn't that already happen? I would have thought a route to Europe (LHR or some other) via PVG would be the best thing th
75 DavidByrne : The reason I favour HKG is precisely because of the existing AKL-HKG-LHR route. If a second route to (say) MAN, FRA or MUC were started, then a CHC-S
76 Mariner : Ah, I did misunderstand you. Sorry. I'm sure what you say may be true. But if they want to "help" PVG, then again, I would have thought a continuing
77 Pewpew320 : Any chance of BR or NZ resuming direct AKL - TPE flights?
78 777ER : Are any NZ insiders able to give any light on future flights to Paraparaumu (PPQ), like possible dates for first flights? NZ was planning to launch AK
79 DavidByrne : I thought it was dependent on the development of the required facilities at PPQ by the owner (as was also the case at MRO). Anyone have anything more
80 777ER : PPQ does have a terminal, Air2There is currently operating its Grand Caravan flights out it, so in reality NZ could start flights right now. I saw in
81 TG992 : Errr... no. As far as I'm aware they still don't have part 139 Certification. Grand Caravan ops are ever so slightly different from a scheduled Beech
82 NZ107 : Doubt it in the near future. The economic climate I believe is getting the better of these airlines. NZ doesn't have any suitable plane to be sending
83 Pewpew320 : Yes, the flights from HKG - TPE are very expensive for the length they are! adding onto that the flight from AKL - HKG, it gets expensive. Well I cert
84 777ER : Can anyone tell me what wines and Champagne NZ serves in Y+ on LAX flights?
85 777ER : In reference to QF changing the times of its AKL-LAX flights to enable connections to QF's LAX-JFK flights, why can't NZ change NZ6's departure time f
86 NZ107 : Timing of the inbound/outbound TT flights? Of course they don't have to include those in the schedule but it'd bring the fleet utilisation down. I'd
87 Tg992 : NZ6 used to depart at 1615, IIRC. However, our network was very different then so there were probably more opportunities to utilise the 747 during the
88 TG992 : I wonder if this is offset against the Y class seat reduction. A lot of AU - US passengers are groups as well. AKL HKG used to be light in terms of l
89 Alangirvan : In the days of non stop SYD LAX, quite a lot of the passengers were people who used the special offer on McDonalds tray mats for family holidays in D
90 777ER : So there is basically no hope for PPQ flights in the future, even though PPQ and NZ signed an MOU?
91 DavidByrne : There's a trade-off between better connectivity at the Australian end (on-line via AKL) and better connectivity at the LAX end (on code-share carrier
92 DavidByrne : I had understood that both MRO and PPQ would be served, dependent on each getting their facilities up to whatever standard, which only MRO has done s
93 SunriseValley : It seems to me that NZ around 2013 will have a smaller international fleet than they will have in 2011-2012. The 789's replace the 772's on a one for
94 Alangirvan : Discussion about the timing of AirNZ flights, but the revised timing of the Qantas flight AKL-LAX leaves me wondering if Qantas is interested in the m
95 DavidByrne : Yes, NZ has positioned itself very well as regards long-haul fleet replacement able to cope with a sustained downturn as well as recovery growth. A y
96 777ER : Whats so bad about also re-timing NZ2 to depart around 7-8pm or just simply re-time the Australian - AKL flights for a better NZ2 connection if NZ6 d
97 PA515 : The ILFC 772's were on 12 year leases. OKA Aug 2017, OKD Feb 2018, OKE May 2018 and OKG Aug 2018. There was a report, possibly in the Dominion, that
98 SunriseValley : Within the past year the 4 owned were sold and leased back ( or was it 3?) According to the last annual report NZ's leasing obligations 5+ years out
99 NZ107 : I thought it was 7..? Please explain? The 733s fly where?
100 Kaitak : Now that NZ is increasing the size of the Y+ cabin, is there any chance that they will look at slightly wider seats? The Premium Economy seats on the
101 DavidByrne : My mistake - I knew that in the back of my mind. The airline web site needs to be updated. I still don't think that that necessarily means that the 7
102 TG992 : Yes, the very frequent fliers do deliberately pick the 744 due to the better Y+ facilities (I'm talking flyertalk.com members and those of our custom
103 Ash185 : NZ's premium economy service and facilities are great but i think they should refit new seats. The seats do look quite ordinary and the 772 layout is
104 PA515 : From the 2008 Air New Zealand Annual Report. Notes to the Financial Statements, 23. Operating Lease Commitments Not later than 1 year $88 million Lat
105 777ER : Well the B733s could be used on any of NZs SYD, MEL, BNE, ADL and CNS services. Yes for some of those flights, it would be a down grade, but with the
106 SunriseValley : Are you sure that it doesn't relate in at least part to the 77W's ? In a SEC filing a year or more ago, ILFC stated that they had no 772 leases out b
107 NZ107 : Ok, cool. Would you reconfigure a sub-fleet for these services which have some kind of business class? I reckon they could shuffle a lot of the curre
108 PA515 : The $212M figure in the 2008 Annual Report should not include the DAE 77W leases as they were announced in the 25th November 2008 Monthly Investor Up
109 Koruman : Maybe you haven't flown on many of these flights, but Premium Economy and Business Premier sell well to Australians flying all the way through to Nor
110 DavidByrne : My understanding is that the original order was for four firm and three options, and they recently firmed up one option, so they are now in a positio
111 FlyAustralian : for BNE & MEL passengers,but that will change to some degree with VA now flying nonstop to LAX from BNE & soon from MEL.
112 ANstar : Especially when they are offering $1997 ret inc Premium Y fares.
113 FlyAustralian : because VA are apparently not getting the numbers (load factors in 40-50% range) how long are silly sales going to last ? Probably for travel most of
114 Koruman : No, I disagree. V Australia will pick up the least profitable passengers - the ultra-discount economy ones - but not the ones like my family who want
115 777ER : All depends on market conditions. If there is enough demand to warrent 4-8 J seats to be fitted then yes adding J would be good. The amount of B733s
116 ANstar : But they are also picking up the pax that flew Air NZ PE for $4k because it was cheaper than Qantas. Now they can fly direct for $1900 ret in PE, NZ
117 FlyAustralian : Guess it really depends how many seats are actually being sold at these prices ? An airline could limit the sub AUD$1000 inc return fares to LAX(/Sfo
118 NZ107 : Just listening to Newstalk ZB again and it just said that NZ has better time slots at Beijing.. So I guess they aren't looking to pull out. Sounded li
119 DavidByrne : More likely, they got a departure slot from PEK which allows an arrival into AKL at something other than the present terrible 2.40am! I recall that i
120 ANstar : Their loads are at 65% from the latest reports. they are adding a tag MEL-SYD for the SYD-LAX flights from June I believe which should help.
121 FlyAustralian : well that's better. Where did you hear that ? Then again, if your load factor doesn't improve when you're selling AUD$777 return BNE/LAX/BNE inc all
122 Mariner : It used to be that we gave an airline at least two years before we expected any new route to be break/even profitable, especially on a hotly conteste
123 FlyAustralian : Even with VA supposed much lower costs than it's opposition, with the recession taking a big bite out of QF, VA is under more pressure than ever to g
124 Mariner : That may be true, but one route is not the whole enchilada and Virgin Blue was operationally profitable in the last report, by some A$60 million. Any
125 777ER : V Australia started their flights at the start of a recession which isn't helping. It costs more for Australians (and New Zealanders) to visit the US
126 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ to be spared profit downgrades Air New Zealand is expected to be spared profit downgrades, analysts say, unlike Qantas, which was forced this w
127 ANstar : Because they have an impact on Air NZ. Anyways don't complain - it will help you get to 100 threads quicker lol Perhaps when they arrive in the USA..
128 Post contains links DavidByrne : The following from the ODT today - I had not appreciated that the DUD-BNE flights were also to become seasonal, or in fact that the DUD-MEL flights ha
129 777ER : Your reply put the thread at 127 replys. Its much nicer reaching 100 replys thanks to worthy topics - unlike the usual rants about IVC and prices of
130 NZB : For those that are interested John Travolta's 707 is in AKL parked on layover 84. I understand it leaves sometime tomorrow.
131 ANstar : I'm talking threads not replies lol I wonder how much of that is Aussies flying on cheaper carriers like VA, EY etc as they have both started new ser
132 777ER : Airfares are cheaper depending on which city your in and the type of sales airlines are running. Its cheaper for Australians to visit New Zealand bec
133 Alangirvan : Can some one remind me...is John Travolta older than his plane?
134 FlyAustralian : yes a truly low cost carrier unlike NZ could move in !!!
135 Alangirvan : This summer, Dunedin has had plenty of Australians and other nationalities visiting the city - they have flown in through other gateways. I do some v
136 NZ107 : One News just showed the CHC control tower.. Sure looks like a carrot to me! So we've got a rock in WLG, a carrot in CHC.. What other eccentric design
137 Mariner : Can't we get rid of the Board of Silly Architecture for approving these things? mariner
138 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : Haha anything Wellington can do Christchurch can do better Seriously though, the finished product is going to look good. ChCh Terminal Plans
139 777ER : Any weird ideas CHC come up with, they will never beat WLGs crazy bigger is better
140 CHCalfonzo : Granted! WLG sure does have some unique ideas. Im still not quite sure how an airport can be "Wild at Heart" though? That is a mystery :P
141 NZ107 : They should paint it orange, both for visibility and for aesthetic qualities.
142 777ER : IMHO its because Wellington isn't affraid to come up with crazy ideas and events. Other airports prefer to build a normal airport design, but WLG dec
143 Alangirvan : haggis at Dunedin
144 Post contains links Mariner : I would think most foreign visitors will simply laugh if the WLG terminal gets built. When you look at what the great architects around the world are
145 NZ107 : Never heard.. Please explain
146 FlyAustralian : Nonstop service will attrct more Australians to DUD, now we have this recession & people are more time poor than ever !!!
147 777ER : Even if thats the case, pictures will still be taken off the terminal and these will then be showen to their friends. Its still basically doing exact
148 TG992 : Yeah agree however if you are wanting to spend more for Y+ do you spend a little more and go on V Australia or do you spend a good amount more and go
149 ANstar : Everyone I know who has flown via AKL has always complained about having to stop - people do't like to have to stop and change planes. As for paying
150 Mariner : Each to their own, always. For me, it is a great sadness that - especially given the money that is being spent - they couldn't come up with something
151 TG992 : Yes but Kiwis and Aussies are a funny bunch, if we spend a $1 more than we need to we have been "ripped" off, if we have to stop on the way it's an "
152 NZ107 : I guess it's not so bad that the 763s now have PTVs - but prior to that would you still have gone through Japan with NZ, assuming that the flight was
153 TG992 : I'm just reading the latest ATW magazine and there is an interview with Richard Branson and Brett Godfrey... it reads "your load factors for the first
154 Alangirvan : I think there would only be a handful of people going to ICN, either directly or indirectly. If I was on KE, I might be there for a cheaper fare to E
155 ANstar : We knwo the $999 fares won't last - all fares are down becuase of the global recession. V's plan was always to lower fares by about 20%.... not the c
156 FlyAustralian : Carried !!! The numbers flying NZ Australia/USA will surely be dropping, not just due to recession, but the VA fares & convenience will be surely hav
157 777ER : Could the B789s make the SYD-LAX route? If they can then I believe the B789s could be used to re-start the route, but only once the markets improve.
158 ANstar : Nope - I believe that is the issue QF have with them and why JQ will be forced to hub through AKL for their USA mainland services.
159 777ER : But JQ are first getting B788s and those are restricted
160 ANstar : Or not - QF group are looking at cancelling or delaying the 15 x 788's.
161 777ER : Yes they are considering cancelling the first batch of their order, but what I was saying was that currently JQ or QF couldn't make Australia-USA dir
162 SunriseValley : The preliminary load/ range table shows that both variants can do LAX-MEL westbound with max passenger load and some 500nm +- of range to spare. I us
163 777ER : So basically NZs B789s will be able to operate Australia-USA direct. Thank you Sunrise.
164 Post contains links 777ER : Heres an interesting three page article on how NZ is better handling the economic crisis compared to DJ and QF. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n..
165 SunriseValley : PER-(maybe BOM)- LHR looks interesting also. NZ getting the variant first has the opportunity of getting a jump on others who have expressed interest
166 Post contains links 777ER : Flying into the eye of a storm Four weeks ago, the number of air travellers falling out of the sky above Mangere was just enough to keep Auckland Airp
167 QF45 : In the current economic situation do we expect any Airlines to suspend or reduce services to New Zealand or do we expect them to ride it out? I rememb
168 NZ107 : Considering SQ hasn't yet pulled their few times weekly SQ281/282, who knows. Most of the airlines are already on their winter schedule which is show
169 Vfw614 : I transited through NSN on Apr 4 around noontime and I noticed some sort of gathering in front of the old Origin Pacific hangar, with a former Origin
170 NZ107 : IIRC, some flights operated AKL-NSN and AKL-WLG.. Don't really know other routes but that's a start and someone else can emphasise further.
171 DavidByrne : I'm pretty sure that WLG-CHC was one
172 Alangirvan : I thought the OP ATRs were only operated on tourism routes - ROT-CHC-ZQN. They had the idea of operating them AKL-WLG after they lost the deal with Qa
173 NZ107 : I'm pretty sure I remember an actual schedule of AKL-WLG in the AT7 at a time of 1hr 10 or 20. Was much more expensive than NZ/QF to add onto the dur
174 Alangirvan : I think I was not even living in NZ at the time, so some one must know better than me, but I think it was proposed and withdrawn before it started. I
175 Koruman : Well, I'm writing this reply from Palm Springs, where the Koru family of four is happily on A$5,500 Business Premier returns. UA and VA fare levels w
176 VirginFlyer : First, a slight side track - I recently took a trip over to NZ and back, flying out of Gold Coast on Air NZ. I have to say I was initially disappointe
177 777ER : IMHO WLG is better suited to Tasman flights becoming domestic then any other New Zealand ATM. The International and domestic terminals are only divid
178 NZ107 : That's a shame. Sorry you had to go through with such chaos! I wonder if there was something to do with the time of flight with all the others headin
179 SunriseValley : I was under the impression there are check in terminals in which you scan the ticket bar code and your passport.?
180 NZ107 : The ticket barcodes only exist for domestic flights. And I don't think we have the technology at AKL for scanning passports at a self service check i
181 Vfw614 : I am sure this has been covered before, but I shall ask anyway: I was surprised to experience recently that all the domestic "regional" flights incl.
182 777ER : Are you getting the new passport scanner machines at Customs confussed with the domestic check-in machines? Because the turbo-prop aircraft carry les
183 NZ107 : Only passengers on jet aircraft currently need to go through screening. This saves a lot of money at regional airports where it would be very costly
184 Post contains links 777ER : Historic plane's parts to be returned to crash site The families of two air force pilots whose plane crashed in the Tararua Ranges 54 years ago have s
185 Vfw614 : Is it jet engines or pax capacity? I am wondering in what category VP's E170 would fall if they ever came to NZ.
186 SunriseValley : Is this scanning outbound ? If so a scan of the ticket would be sufficient on check in since the passport check would be done later. Also if I rememb
187 ANstar : I'm not sure what their nationality has to do with it.
188 Post contains links VirginFlyer : The Zeal saga continues. Full story at http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10567768 V/F
189 NZ107 : Considering that we don't have any jets smaller than 90 pax, then both. But more precisely passenger capacity. Then again, the government could chang
190 NZ1 : Indeed. In fact, ZEAL has now issued a lockout notice to ZEAL crew if the planned strike goes ahead. NZ1
191 777ER : IIRC its only based on the pax numbers The passport scanners are for New Zealand and Australian Epassport holders only. AKL and several Australian ai
192 ANstar : When did I mention 9/11 hijackers?? And what has 9/11 got to do with my comment?? You could of just said the woman that hijcaked the plane... that wo
193 Knid : I don't understand what the Zeal crew will gain from a strike. They are unlikely to gain any sympathy from the public, if anything given the economic
194 Mariner : I've never really understood why that matters. I don't think the merit of a claim should depend on popularity ratings. mariner
195 MotorHussy : This is the only comment in the press release that I find a bit rich. 4% is not a gift, they have worked hard and earn less than their NZ siblings. 4
196 TG992 : Identifying someone by their nationality is not being racist, in fact is it any different to referring to someone as the “Aussie chap down in 34B
197 777ER : Maybe I could have re-woreded it better. When people refer to the 9/11 attacks they remember it was muslims and sometimes the peoples names who carri
198 ANstar : Aussie Chap has a positive tone.... crazy/metnal Aussie has a negative tone. I'm jsut saying I don't think ti was relevant... everyone is allowed ot
199 Knid : Neither do I, however a strike is not only a action against their employer, but a larger event that often aims to generate public support, which unio
200 Pewpew320 : question: Do ZEAL FAs earn the same, less or more than Domestic FAs?
201 Zkpilot : except that what she did was 'crazy/mental' and the fact remains that if the immigration officer who approved her to be in the country in the first p
202 HB-IWC : This thread has reached in excess of 200 replies. Please start a new thread with the next installment of this discussion. Thread locked.
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