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BA 757's Sold!  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21181 times:

BA today have confirmed that they have sold there 11 remaining 757's. They will be converted in to cargo aircraft.

They will leave the fleet 2010 and 2012 and will be replaced by the A320 family.

The disposal of the 757s is part of BA's overall strategy to renew its fleet with more fuel efficient aircraft.

As yet no new order has been placed with Airbus to replace the 11 aircraft.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bapress/public/en_gb

[Edited 2009-04-02 09:06:11]

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User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21136 times:

Who is buying the 757s? If the 757s are being converted to freighters I'm guessing Fed Ex or UPS.


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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21001 times:



Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 1):

Or perhaps DHL, which is where the last batch of BA 757's went to



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20883 times:

It will be the end of an era. I loved flying in those 757's. They are one of my favourite aircraft.

It's good they have been sold and not scrapped.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20751 times:

They're quite recent birds, with the 535E4 engine too, so if any BA 757s would have attracted passenger operator interest (for say, thin transatlantic routes) it would have been these ones?


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20578 times:

What will happen with the 757s which are flying for Openskies, i suppose they are not included in this deal, or are they?


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User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20504 times:

Wow that was fast!
The last pax rotations on 757 metal from LHR to NCE took place at the end of the winter schedule, which changed to the summer schedule a few days ago and "bang" they're sold? The NCE route has now finally moved to T5, added one frequency & uses A320, A321 & B767.

Which routes will be flown using 757 until 2010?

It looks like BA needs the money...

[Edited 2009-04-02 10:01:40]

User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20370 times:
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Quoting Severnaya (Reply 5):
What will happen with the 757s which are flying for Openskies, i suppose they are not included in this deal, or are they?

They are not. Technically, BA has 15 remaining 757s, 4 of which assigned to Open Skies. 11 have been sold.



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User currently offlineMutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19529 times:



Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 6):
Wow that was fast!
The last pax rotations on 757 metal from LHR to NCE took place at the end of the winter schedule, which changed to the summer schedule a few days ago and "bang" they're sold? The NCE route has now finally moved to T5, added one frequency & uses A320, A321 & B767.

Which routes will be flown using 757 until 2010?

It looks like BA needs the money...

The intention to dispose of these frames was announced some while back. Todays announcement confirms this.

The expansion of LHR (and in particular the third runway) is dependent on extremely tough emmissions reductions targets. New fuel efficient planes are cleaner. And cheaper of course. Makes sense.
All airlines dispose of old frames and replace them with new ones (well nearly all!) so I am not sure why you think this is because "BA need the money". Afterall the actual sales will be between 2010 and 2012 so theres no cash for a while!!

So no, not about the money.

So no, it doesnt look like BA needs the money!

757 will continue to be deployed on HEL, VIE, MAD, BCN until withdrawal


User currently offlineMarky From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 19071 times:

I understand FedEx are the buyer

User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18938 times:

Ill be sad to see these aircraft go as I loved flying on them. matter of fact NCL had a BA757 opertaing a domestic flight just the other day........


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User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18849 times:



Quoting Marky (Reply 9):
I understand FedEx are the buyer

Given that Fed Ex wants more 757s in their fleet, this comes as no surprise. I hadn't heard that UPS was trying to expand its 757 fleet; it's fairly large as it is.



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User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18749 times:

4 left for OpenSkies - does it mean, no OpenSkies expansion is expected/assumed?

User currently offlineHeathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18676 times:

It'll be sad to see these birds go. I'm personally a Boeing fan, and it's too bad to see it go.

User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5467 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18538 times:



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 4):
They're quite recent birds, with the 535E4 engine too, so if any BA 757s would have attracted passenger operator interest (for say, thin transatlantic routes) it would have been these ones?

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This seems like pretty good proof that operators using 757s on long routes have all the recent frames they need.

It makes me a bit sad, because any old aircraft can fly cargo, but late 757s have such unique capabilities as pax machines, capabilities which are not likely to be seen in a new aircraft for many years yet.


User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 18420 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 7):
Quoting Severnaya (Reply 5):
What will happen with the 757s which are flying for Openskies, i suppose they are not included in this deal, or are they?

They are not. Technically, BA has 15 remaining 757s, 4 of which assigned to Open Skies. 11 have been sold.

From the Press Release linked in the Opener's Thread:

"British Airways is to sell 11 of its 15 Boeing 757 aircraft for cargo conversion with the aircraft leaving the airline's mainline fleet between 2010-2012.

"Four Boeing 757s operated by the airline's subsidiary OpenSkies will remain in the fleet."

While the aircraft operated or on order for BA Cityflyer these 4 752s were. I think that this may be because BA itself owns the Openskies 752s but not the Citiflyer RJ100s.

Quoting BALHRWWCC (Thread starter):
As yet no new order has been placed with Airbus to replace the 11 aircraft.

On 3 December 2007 BA announced an order for a further 12 A320s. On 24 Dec 2007 they announced another order for a further two of 320s but on 1 February 2006 they announced that two outstanding orders for 320s were being converted to A318s (for the LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY service).

At the BA Investors' Day Meeting just under a month ago BA revealed plans to reduce their short haul fleet from 132 aircraft in 2008/09 to 122 aircraft in 2009/10 and 121 aircraft in 2011/12. This was shown in a chart titled "Fleet size and shape supports strategic priorities" (No. 189).

A second chart entitled "Shorthaul fleet plan - central case" (No 190) showed the Gatwick short haul fleet reduced to 24 aircraft at the end of October 2009 through the return to the lessor of the remaining 733 (2?) and 735 (2?) aircraft. New A320s replaced 11 752s. The 752s were shown to leave the fleet in April 2009 (2), August 2009 (1), October 2009 (1), November 2010 (1), February 2011 (1), July 2011 (1), September 2011 (1) and 1 Quarter 2012 (3).

I do not think that any new orders need to be placed to achieve these changes. I also assume that the 752 retirement dates reflect scheduled delivery dates of the new 320s.

Although the corresponding Long haul fleet chart showed the long haul 763s being replaced by 787s in the period Q3 2012/13 to Q1 2016/17 (and an expansion of the long haul fleet from 115 aircraft in 2008/09 to 127 aircraft in 2013/14) there was no indication of any plan to replace the short haul 763 fleet. However while the long haul fleet plans extended out to the end of 2016/17 that for the short haul fleet only extended to March 2012.


User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15482 times:

Hi,

Well I guess I picked the right time to book BA. I'm scheduled to fly the 757 between LHR-LIS (BA 506) this summer. So, barring any changes, I got them in the nick of time!  Smile

I flew the BA 757s on the LHR-ARN-LHR route last winter and it was a very nice and pleasant flight. Sad to see them go.

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14874 times:
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Even though Open Skies isn't taking any further 757s at the present time and understandably so, is it quite possibly feasible to say, if BA is happy with the 318s performance, they may add a few of those to their fleet instead?

How happy is BA with the 321s since those are of similar size but not performance?


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14027 times:

I'm curious I remember there was talk (forgive me I may have got this completely wrong) that these aircraft weren't being used out of T5 as they were not container loaded with regard to their bags is that correct? Does that mean that all BA services from LHR will eventual after the sale operate from T5 except the QF/BA JSV flights to Aus? Do along with the above mentioned fleet reductiong will they now have room for it?

I'm not suggesting that this is the cause of the sale just a potential bi-product


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13952 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 17):
How happy is BA with the 321s since those are of similar size but not performance?

Very happy indeed - BA dont fly any routes (other than the OpenSkies) where the 757 does a route the A321 cannot.

With something like a 12-15% low fuel costs per trip, the A321 is a very popular people mover at BA. I am told they are looking at acquiring a few more later this year.



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13451 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 18):
I'm curious I remember there was talk (forgive me I may have got this completely wrong) that these aircraft weren't being used out of T5 as they were not container loaded with regard to their bags is that correct? Does that mean that all BA services from LHR will eventual after the sale operate from T5 except the QF/BA JSV flights to Aus?

Yes the B757 were not at T5 because of loose loading, but they have operated flights from there ad hoc.
BA will remain at T3. The idea is flights that are common with One World will stay there. So flights to Spain with Iberia, and Finland with Finnair, and Australia with Qantas will operate together in T3. BA is building a proper lounge there and will stay. It will be about 10pc of BA departures.
Wonder what will happen when American Airlines is a joint venture?


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13452 times:

This is such a shame. The 757s (although in need of a deep clean) are great from pax and crew perspectives.

I will miss seeing the ground fall away like I'm in a rocket when I am in the rear-facing jumpseats at doors 3!


User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Right, I need to fly on one sooner rather than later! Could also be good for a TP run.

User currently offlineCaribillo From Spain, joined Jul 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

Who is going to convert them to freighters?


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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11220 times:



Quoting Caribillo (Reply 23):
Who is going to convert them to freighters?

Boeing at Mobile? They converted around half of the BA 752s that went to DHL. The rest were converted by IAI at TLV.


25 TDubJFK : Interesting that since so many airlines have such a woody nowadays re: operating 757s transatlantically that they'd be selling them off as freighters
26 BMI727 : I think that is why the 757 never became that popular with scheduled carriers in Europe. Unlike US carriers that wanted to fly transcon, the European
27 Caribillo : I was thinking about IB Mantenimiento, that, if I remember well, they have now license to convert pax 757 to cargo. Correct me if I am wrong.
28 Aerecosse : enjoyed the 757's on the shuttle flights between GLA & LHR, always better than the A319 & 20's that replaced them. The cabin dividers made it feel a m
29 HAWK21M : 15 pallet B752PCF is better. Why not Precision conversions. regds MEL.
30 Veeseeten : What confuses me about the four OpenSkies 757's is that surely two of them are not RR powered, being ex-L'Avion? Or did BA dispose of these two aircra
31 Bmacleod : Now that BA has retired the 757, does this mean other than OpenSkies; discount and charter carriers LS 5W MT and BY are the only remaining British 757
32 Veeseeten : Monarch still operates the 757!
33 LHRjc : As do Titan.
34 Baexecutive : Can add bmi to the list also.
35 VV701 : This is what the General Manager of EC said on the Openskies blog on 2 March last: "Recently, British Airways announced a sale of its remaining 757s.
36 Veeseeten : Surely these are just Astraeus aircraft and therefore don't really count as BMI 'operating' them?
37 VV701 : To be accurate BA have sold but not yet retired their existing fleet of 752s. All the information available from BA at this time indicates that the l
38 LVZXV : Always sad to see 757s go and replaced by A321s. Say what you like, I do not see them in the same league. Sure, the A321 burns less, can carry a simil
39 AirNZ : Yes, indeed and you have a certain point. However, they are not meant to be "in the same league" and of what use is 'impressive' range (and added wei
40 TristarSteve : Yes no more scheduled Domestic, but we have no scheduled at ARN, but they still turn up once a month. Also flying to Malaga this summer.
41 Viscount724 : Monarch has been a 757 operator longer than all other airlines except BA. They took delivery of their first 757 just 2 months after BA which was one
42 EMAlad : I am travelling LHR to BCN in August and am quite pleased that we are going on a 752. I have upgraded our tickets on the way out to Club Europe, altho
43 Post contains links VV701 : http://www.britishairways.com/travel/meals/public/en_gb
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