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Paine Field Close To Agreement With Horizon

FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5673 posts, RR: 17
Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Snohomish County says they could have a draft agreement with Horizon about Paine Field service as early as next month.

The plan is to build an 18,000 sq ft modular terminal attached to the current small terminal.

The modular building would only have counter and office space for 2 airlines (Horizon and Allegiant) and space for the TSA. There would also be seating for 225 passengers, basically simultaneous flights by both airlines.

The county expects they could complete environmental work by fall with construction taking 5 or 6 weeks for the modular building.

Of course, the only problem with the timeline would be lawsuits from surrounding cities or citizens. That could delay the start of service.

Diagram of the planned terminal location here:
http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...i=NEWS01&ID=704029939&Ref=AR&sell=

Full article at:
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090402/NEWS01/704029939

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain

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787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Where was QX planning on flying to from PAE?

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Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

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Quoting 787seattle (Reply 1):
Where was QX planning on flying to from PAE?

4x daily to PDX, 2x daily to GEG

PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 2):
4x daily to PDX,

If AS/QX allow connections over PDX at reasonable fares, I think this service could be a home run. If I lived in the area between say Edmonds and, well, north, I'd probably be happy to quickly board a Q400 at PAE and then make a simple connection in PDX to where I want to go. It could very well be quicker than driving to SEA and then dealing with TSA there.

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Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
If AS/QX allow connections over PDX at reasonable fares, I think this service could be a home run. If I lived in the area between say Edmonds and, well, north, I'd probably be happy to quickly board a Q400 at PAE and then make a simple connection in PDX to where I want to go. It could very well be quicker than driving to SEA and then dealing with TSA there.

Yeah plus you wouldn't have to bear the brunt of parking rates at and around Sea-Tac. Even though some of the lots only charge $9 or $10...by the time you're done...there are $12 of taxes. I was schocked last time I parked at the airport and now try to take the bus and park at a park and ride for free instead.

7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3586 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

I think it could work, but how many connections/destinations could passengers go to when flying from PAE?

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Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1458 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 5):
I think it could work, but how many connections/destinations could passengers go to when flying from PAE?

Well most places on the West Coast as well as Hawaii on AS/QX and then the codeshares with AA and NW which take you to the East Coast and international. So some pretty good options.

GEG would be pretty much O&D unless you connect on another airline. But it will still probably work because that market has tons of O&D and a lot of those who live in the North probably use SEA to get to GEG already and this would just be more convenient. Although only 6 flights a day...it will help somewhat relieve the hustle and bustle of SEA and if successful could be good for QX since they'll avoid the fees at SEA for those flights.

Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

A lot of people in Mukilteo and the surrounding area are most worried about noise. I can actually see it with the MD-80's, even though it wouldn't be daily. The Q400's shouldn't be a factor at all. A Cessna 182RG is louder on take-off than a Q400's.

This is probably silly, but would it make sense for QX to fly 1X roundtrip to SEA? The PAE-SEA segment could leave first thing in the morning like 6 or 7 am. The return could leave SEA at around 10:30PM and get into PAE around 10:50 to 11pm. That way, travelers can make easy connections at SEA. Like that'll happen.

RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8785 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

I think a real winner from PAE would be LAX. I think Horizon could fill a CRJ700 down there, although they might not want to with the fare wars between LAX and SEA going on which have killed all yields.

If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!

EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
If AS/QX allow connections over PDX at reasonable fares, I think this service could be a home run.

It would work for locals. Ive found thru experience that most people greatly prefer a nonstop from a large airport even if 60 minutes away then they do flying from the little local airport to a big hub and making connections.

If Boeing still made the 717, LGB or LAX would be good.

RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8785 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
It would work for locals. Ive found thru experience that most people greatly prefer a nonstop from a large airport even if 60 minutes away then they do flying from the little local airport to a big hub and making connections.

I've seen that as well. I think high O/D destinations will be the focus. PDX and GEG have quite a few passengers, so they might work. LAS and LAX of course are huge O/D destinations and Allegiant will probably do well.

I think PAE might work with a flight to a hub towards the east. SEA has great service to destinations in the west, but a hub like DEN or MSP opens up many destinations that are not served from SEA nonstop. SEA has service to the huge destinations and the hubs, but not the many medium sized cities out there.

The end result though is that Horizon and Allegiant will need to offer some dirt cheap fares to generate the market to start with.

If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!

Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 10):
The end result though is that Horizon and Allegiant will need to offer some dirt cheap fares to generate the market to start with.

I don't think you have to be worried about G4 offering dirt-cheap fares to LAS and others. I think QX would do well if the fares to PDX and GEG (and beyond) are comparable to SEA. They actually could be a little more considering the convenience of it all...but I stress a little like no more than $10 to $15 more.

Today's proposal only allows room for two airlines...QX and G4. I guess we'll have to see if someone decides to expand the terminal, or if one decides to move out.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 8):
I think a real winner from PAE would be LAX. I think Horizon could fill a CRJ700 down there, although they might not want to with the fare wars between LAX and SEA going on which have killed all yields.

I agree...I think QX could do quite a bit of business between LAX and PAE. I don't QX would have any problems filling a CRJ-700. Is it even possible that AS would fly LAX-PAE?

Maybe even SFO-PAE would do well.

Could Snohomish County make the call as to what airlines are allowed to fly into PAE? For instance, if DL wanted to fly PAE-SLC, could the county refuse their application and keep the airport restricted to only QX and G4?

Could the same thing happen at Olympia for those who live in the South Sound?

FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5673 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Could the same thing happen at Olympia for those who live in the South Sound?

I don't know about Olympia, but Allegiant has talked with Bremerton as another Seattle area possible. Supposedly LAS is a popular destination out of the area along with SAN.
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/m...f-flights-to-kitsap-keys-on-local/

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Skytaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Could Snohomish County make the call as to what airlines are allowed to fly into PAE? For instance, if DL wanted to fly PAE-SLC, could the county refuse their application and keep the airport restricted to only QX and G4?

Snohomish county has to negotiate in good faith with any and all airlines that want to set up shop at PAE. I would love to see Delta service from PAE-SLC.

Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5566 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting Skytaxi (Reply 13):
Snohomish county has to negotiate in good faith with any and all airlines that want to set up shop at PAE. I would love to see Delta service from PAE-SLC.

Do they have to negotiate in good faith, even if the airport terminal is at capacity with QX and G4?

Skytaxi From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 14):
Do they have to negotiate in good faith, even if the airport terminal
is at capacity with QX and G4?

A majority of the Snohomish county council is against passenger service at PAE, they decided to build the terminal themselves so that they could control the size of it, by building it small they think that it would discourage other airlines from using PAE. The county still has to negotiate with airlines, but doesn't have to spend one penny of taxpayer money to help the airlines out. The good thing about the new passenger terminal is that it is a modular structure that is easily added to.

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