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OAG Changes 4/3/09: AA/CO/DL/FL/NW  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

AA FLL-KIN CXLD as of September; was 1 roundtrip
AA ORD-PSP NEW as of September; 1 roundtrip
AA STL-MSN REDUCED 3 roundtrips to 1; first goes in June; second in July
AA STL-XNA REDUCED 2 roundtrips to 1 as of July

CO CLE-MIA CXLD for September and October ONLY; was 1 E145

DL BNA-BOS CXLD June thru August (it was previously scheduled to end in August); was 1 CRJ

FL DCA-MCO REDUCED 1 roundtrip to 1/week as of June
FL MKE-LAS INCREASED 2 roundtrips to 3 as of September

NW DTW-ILM CXLD as of June; was 1 CRJ (loaded last week, never on delta.com)
NW DTW-LYH NEW operates Jun/Jul/Aug only; 1 CRJ (replaces SGF/ILM?)
NW DTW-SGF CXLD as of June; was 1 CRJ
NW DTW-FCO INCREASED Now year-round (this has changed several times before)

Here is the schedule for DTW-ILM that had been loaded, but is now deleted. It doesn't look like a mistake. Perhaps they changed their mind...

NW/9E Flt2444 DTW ILM 1000 1150 CRJ Daily 0 stops
NW/9E Flt2445 ILM DTW 1215 1420 CRJ Daily 0 stops

OAG changes usually don't appear in GDS till Monday.

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8023 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AA STL-MSN REDUCED 3 roundtrips to 1; first goes in June; second in July

Interesting, as loads appear to be decent.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AA STL-XNA REDUCED 2 roundtrips to 1 as of July

Looks like currently there is three STL-XNA flights, and out of 138 seats on STL-XNA tomorrow, only 22 are paying passengers ( 3 non-revs). The return is even worse, with just 18. I know XNA is high yield, but <20% LF's on a daily basis is pretty bad.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7573 times:



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 1):
I know XNA is high yield, but <20% LF's on a daily basis is pretty bad.

 checkmark My sense is that STL-XNA has never been a real stellar performer-- third daily STL-XNA was the only flight cut when they took AX out of the schedule.

The interesting thing to me is that AA, an airline that has historically been strapped for regional capacity, has cut a lot of regional flights without the usual corresponding adds elsewhere. It'll be interesting to see if that trend continues. Obviously, the economy has something to do with it, but the conventional wisdom had been that AA had far more things to do with regional aircraft than regional aircraft.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AA STL-MSN REDUCED 3 roundtrips to 1; first goes in June; second in July

Is it the RP flight or the MQ flight getting cut? Most of the cutting, both last week and this week, seems to be MQ.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL BNA-BOS CXLD June thru August (it was previously scheduled to end in August); was 1 CRJ

When does this one start? It's not running now.



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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3052 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7475 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AA FLL-KIN CXLD as of September; was 1 roundtrip

With JM's 4 daily and NK's daily,this was anticipated...



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7459 times:

AA pulled down a bunch of CUN/BZE as well. I believe seasonal MIAMVD was also postponed.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7413 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
AA pulled down a bunch of CUN/BZE as well. I believe seasonal MIAMVD was also postponed.

AA pulls CUN and BZE down heavily during September and October.

MIAMVD is year-round, so I assume you mean it will not operate during the fall?



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17335 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7238 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
MIAMVD is year-round, so I assume you mean it will not operate during the fall?

Looks like it will not operate in SEP or OCT.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
AA pulls CUN and BZE down heavily during September and October.

You're right. Ignore! Everything is pretty much same as 2008.



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User currently offlineMiaskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7030 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Looks like it will not operate in SEP or OCT.

will it continue to operate in Sept and Oct as MIA-MVD-EZE?



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6262 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AA STL-MSN REDUCED 3 roundtrips to 1; first goes in June; second in July
AA STL-XNA REDUCED 2 roundtrips to 1 as of July

Well, thats a shame. Anything left at STL now at this point?!  Silly

Alex



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15715 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6222 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
Well, thats a shame. Anything left at STL now at this point?!

Not really besides WN. AA is operating mostly mainline routes using RJs. All of those JFK flights that used to be 747s and L-1011s are now DL CRJs. How the mighty have fallen.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5889 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
All of those JFK flights that used to be 747s and L-1011s are now DL CRJs.

More seriously, STL-JFK is an interesting gap in AA's route map- one of the largest. I wonder why they don't fly it... while they don't have as many low-frequency 50 seater routes ex-JFK as DL does, they have a decent number (CLE, PIT, RDU), and they've had a 1-stop MQ flight for quite some time-- maybe since they dropped the nonstops.



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5738 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL BNA-BOS CXLD June thru August (it was previously scheduled to end in August); was 1 CRJ

hmmm.....this would seem to be a good summer performer

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
Well, thats a shame. Anything left at STL now at this point?! Silly

I think most mainline routes will stay along with EWR and PHL maybe AUS too. I could even see ATL getting the axe sometime soon. AA will be kind of like it was in STL back in the 1970s.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2272 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

How many daily flights will AA/AX/MQ have combined at STL once thse changes take place? I guess the good the good thing is they weren't totally cut like BDL and DAY last week.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5353 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

I don't believe this has been mentioned yet: UA is increasing SAN-IAD from 3x daily to 4x starting June 4 and currently ending in early September. (I wouldn't be real shocked if the 4th trip doesn't go away in the fall.)

Since nobody else has jumped in to replace B6 on the route (when they ended their flight last fall), I can't blame UA for taking up the slack themselves. (Nice oversight, VX; I really appreciate you keeping a watchful eye out for potential new routes, especially from SAN...)

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5461 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
How many daily flights will AA/AX/MQ have combined at STL once thse changes take place?

I believe the current weekly schedule has 108 daily flights

-2 DAY
-2 BDL
-2 XNA (one on April 7, and the one mentioned here)
-2 MSN

That makes 100.



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5437 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
I believe the current weekly schedule has 108 daily flights

-2 DAY
-2 BDL
-2 XNA (one on April 7, and the one mentioned here)
-2 MSN

That makes 100.

Looks like STL is about to lose its hub status overtime.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5411 times:



Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 15):
Looks like STL is about to lose its hub status overtime.

What's in a name? STL hasn't had connecting banks for 5 years.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5117 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL BNA-BOS CXLD June thru August (it was previously scheduled to end in August); was 1 CRJ

When does this one start? It's not running now.

It was running Mar-Aug last year and was going to run Jun-Aug this year. Now it is not operating at all for 2009.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 3):
With JM's 4 daily and NK's daily,this was anticipated...

AA just did that stuff to defend its turf against NK. As times get harder for AA they are getting rid of the money losers even if it means NK gets stronger.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 12):
How many daily flights will AA/AX/MQ have combined at STL once thse changes take place? I guess the good the good thing is they weren't totally cut like BDL and DAY last week.



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
That makes 100.

Starting June I show 101:

42 mainline
19 Eagle
40 Chautauqua

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
Here is the schedule for DTW-ILM that had been loaded, but is now deleted. It doesn't look like a mistake. Perhaps they changed their mind...

NW/9E Flt2444 DTW ILM 1000 1150 CRJ Daily 0 stops
NW/9E Flt2445 ILM DTW 1215 1420 CRJ Daily 0 stops

Here is the DTW-LYH schedule if they decide to give it more than a week  Smile

NW/9E Flt2886 DTW LYH 1106 1231 CRJ Daily 0 stops
NW/9E Flt2615 LYH DTW 1300 1425 CRJ Daily 0 stops

This determines two things in my mind. First, the schedule is not exactly the same, so ILM was not simply a typo. Second, this is basically the same block of aircraft time. The two flights get back at virtually the same time, same equipment, and same operator. The new flight departs later, but it is pretty clear that LYH is a 1:1 replacement for ILM.

How odd...and somewhat unprofessional...that they would act so schizo in a public filing...


User currently offlineIwannagothere From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Any chance AA would fly BNA-BOS with DL leaving?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4982 times:



Quoting Iwannagothere (Reply 18):
Any chance AA would fly BNA-BOS with DL leaving?

AA flew the route years ago.

BOS-BNA has been without service for most of the 2000's. Delta has come and gone from the route three times since American Eagle's exit around 2002-2003.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4808 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
AA flew the route years ago.

Did they ever fly it with mainline after they closed the hub? IIRC, BNA-BOS was the first MQ jet route at BNA.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting Iwannagothere (Reply 18):
Any chance AA would fly BNA-BOS with DL leaving?

I would say it is unlikely, but BNA could always throw down some cash and get AA to do it again. It could certainly support an ERJ or two. The problem, of course, is that the yield is lower than it was years ago and with WN's entry into BOS you can expect BNA-BOS to get even lower fares going forward. I'm not saying WN will necessarily fly BOS-BNA, but I think they will almost certainly fly BOS-BWI which will connect well to BNA and thus lower fares.


User currently offlineB752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4609 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 21):
I would say it is unlikely, but BNA could always throw down some cash and get AA to do it again. It could certainly support an ERJ or two. The problem, of course, is that the yield is lower than it was years ago and with WN's entry into BOS you can expect BNA-BOS to get even lower fares going forward. I'm not saying WN will necessarily fly BOS-BNA, but I think they will almost certainly fly BOS-BWI which will connect well to BNA and thus lower fares.

I think there is a good possibility that WN will run BOS-BNA when they come to town. They run PVD-BNA.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4520 times:



Quoting B752os (Reply 22):
I think there is a good possibility that WN will run BOS-BNA when they come to town. They run PVD-BNA.

OTOH, they don't run MHT-BNA, and BNA adds very little to the network that BWI and MDW cannot.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4374 times:



Quoting B752os (Reply 22):

I think there is a good possibility that WN will run BOS-BNA when they come to town. They run PVD-BNA.

That's possible. They are only running one RT to PVD and no MHT service so there is room for more capacity, but they haven't said how many gates they will take in BOS. If they take 3 or 4 gates then you are probably right and BNA will make the cut. If they take 1 or 2 gates I wouldn't expect BNA to fit into that size of operation until it is expanded.

Bottom line I think BOS-BNA will come later.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
OTOH, they don't run MHT-BNA, and BNA adds very little to the network that BWI and MDW cannot.

 checkmark  That's part of why I think what I do. We are in agreement. I can imagine the lone BNA-PVD moving to BOS down the road. Despite the comments about how this won't hurt PVD (no comments about MHT that I've seen...ominously) I expect they will pull down both over time.


25 Cubsrule : Glad we agree about BNA, but I'm not sure I agree with this statement. The question we have to ask ourselves is how much traffic from "Boston proper"
26 Flyby519 : I believe AA markets BOS-DCA-BNA as a through flight on MQ. I doubt they would go direct BOS-BNA since the DCA-BNA portion seems to pick up some good
27 FlyPNS1 : From the city of Boston, probably not much, but from some of the Boston suburbs a decent amount. WN's strategy of bracketing BOS worked fine when the
28 Enilria : At a minimum it is interesting that they publicly stated that PVD wouldn't be impacted by BOS service, but did not make the same comment about Manche
29 Cubsrule : That's my sense too. But I wonder how much of that traffic from the suburbs would go to BOS when they can get the same service-- with less hassle-- a
30 FlyPNS1 : Absolutely. WN reacted slowly to B6 and now B6 has a substantial presence in major markets like BOS, JFK and IAD. WN can't afford to cling to periphe
31 Cubsrule : That's all true in general but, at least for the moment, it's not true with respect to WN. If I'm in, say, Brockton and I'm a loyal WN passenger at P
32 Enilria : EXACTLY. You are drifting toward a.net soulmate status...So, do you agree that BOS will bring the gradual withering of PVD/MHT service on WN? I expec
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