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User currently offlineFAT5DEP From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 120 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 8375 times:

I have been hunting around for this info but still have some blanks. Anybody have anything to add or change to the following list? Feel free to add airlines if you like. Its seems like some airlines acknowledged their final flight while others just slipped into history.


Airline Date Route Flight # Aircraft Dep. Time

AirCal 6/30/87

Air Florida

Aloha 3/31/08 OGG-HNL 261 737-200 10:00 PM

America West 9/28/07

ATA 4/3/08 HNL-PHX 4586 757-200 12:10 AM

Eastern 1/18/91 LGA-ATL 409 727-200 11:00 PM

Frontier (1) 8/24/86

Pan Am 12/4/91 BGI-MIA 436 727-200

Piedmont 8/4/89 DAY-SBN 1031 737-400 10:39 PM

PSA 4/8/88 SAN-LAS 1486 10:35 PM

Reno Air 8/30/99

Republic

TWA 12/1/01 HNL-STL 2 767-300

Western 3/31/87 HNL-LAX 566 DC-10 11:10 PM


Oh, that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and be at rest.
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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 8345 times:

Wonder what NW final flight will be? I mean, in NW metal that is...I guess their final flight as NW only happened a while ago?

UAL

UAL


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3395 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Zip Air's last flight was YXY-YVR, 07SEP2004, operated by B737-217Adv C-GCPN

I know where to find more, but I'll do that later.


CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8152 times:



Quoting FAT5DEP (Thread starter):

TWA 12/1/01 HNL-STL 2 767-300

That was always a question...
There were three "final" flights for TWA.

One for celebration MCI-STL Dec 1st.

The other was LAS-STL a 757 the last TWA flight to land before 12am when TW switched over to AA, and the one you mentioned HNL-STL.

So it depends how you want to define it?

Alex



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
safe



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8154 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
I guess their final flight as NW only happened a while ago?

Not yet....



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8691 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8140 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
safe

Could you give us more information on that flight?

KH



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User currently offlineCs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8099 times:
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Read "Splash of Colors" by John Nance for details about this final round trip DFW-HNL-DFW. Very good reading.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8088 times:



Quoting Cs03 (Reply 7):
"Splash of Colors" by John Nance

Ditto....excellent writings about Braniff and where things went wrong and why.
Perhaps available at Airliner Shows(MCO July23-25)or on EBAY.
Nance should know. He flew diesal eights for them.
safe



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User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Anyone know what Ansett's last flight (international/domestic or both) was?

User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 7929 times:
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Last Pan Am Shuttle:
8/31/91 DCA-LGA N877UM B727-230.
I was on it. I believe there was also one in the other direction and in both directions LGA-BOS. But the captain announced ours was the last Pan Am Shuttle. I recorded the news that night on my VCR, and it showed my flight backing out of the gate at DCA and it played the captain's announcement. I still have the videotape.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.

No way. How much wld that have cost?

I have a hard time believing that a flight crew who were just about to be out of jobs (and paychecks) would charge thousands and thousands of dollars on to their own personal credit cards just to fly the plane of a bankrupt airline back to DFW.

[Edited 2009-04-03 19:34:48]

User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 7819 times:



Quoting Tayser (Reply 9):
Anyone know what Ansett's last flight (international/domestic or both) was?

Ansett 04/03/2002 PER-SYD AN152 A320 VH-HYI

Last International flights were

Ansett 14/09/2001 HKG-SYD AN888 744 VH-ANA

Ansett 14/09//2001 KIX-BNE-(SYD?) AN882 744 VH-ANB (Did it do the BNE-SYD leg?)




Vhq.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months ago) and read 7579 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.

My parents were on that flight, they were non-revs. The crew that flew the flight DFW to HNL changed to civilian clothes and reboarding the flight. The news media were at the HNL airport reporting on the bankruptcy and shutdown. My parents and them all flew home in First Class to DFW. When they arrived in DFW at sunrise on May 13 the Braniff fleet was sitting on the ground. It took forever to get the plane unloaded because there were just a few employees there to work it. They rented a car to drive home. What a way to end a 26 year career. I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7429 times:



Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1):
I guess their final flight as NW only happened a while ago?

Until they get a SOC, there will be many NW flights.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11):
No way. How much wld that have cost?

Yes way.....We are in 1982. Fuel was NOT at two bucks a gallon.....yet.

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13):
I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.

Read the book...Im sure it may chocked full of stuff ''you never heard of".
By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.

safe

[Edited 2009-04-04 10:29:31]

[Edited 2009-04-04 10:33:56]


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User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7203 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 8):

Quoting Cs03 (Reply 7):
"Splash of Colors" by John Nance

Ditto....excellent writings about Braniff and where things went wrong and why.
Perhaps available at Airliner Shows(MCO July23-25)or on EBAY.
Nance should know. He flew diesal eights for them.

It's on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Splash-Colors-...UTF8&s=books&qid=1238867017&sr=8-1


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7137 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15):
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13):
I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.

Read the book...Im sure it may chocked full of stuff ''you never heard of".
By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.

I own the book and have read it. I just today reread Chapter 33 "All Hell Was Breaking Loose", Chapter 34 "The Last Pumpkin", and Chapter 35 "The True Assets of Braniff", which document the final flight #502 of N601BN.

Nowhere in these three chapters is it mentioned that Captain Charlie Lamb or flight engineer Chic Smalley (crew of flight 501 from DFW to HNL) or Captain Gordon Winfield or his crew (flight 502 from HNL to DFW) paid for the fuel for the HNL to DFW flgiht. Can anyone give a page in the book where it states the crew paid for the fuel?



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5773 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15):
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11):
No way. How much wld that have cost?

Yes way.....We are in 1982. Fuel was NOT at two bucks a gallon.....yet.

Average jet fuel price paid by US airlines in 1982 was 98.9 cents a gallon according to US DOT data. I would guess a 747-100 HNL-DFW would need roughly 20,000 gallons, or close to $20,000 in 1982.


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5630 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):
Average jet fuel price paid by US airlines in 1982 was 98.9 cents a gallon according to US DOT data. I would guess a 747-100 HNL-DFW would need roughly 20,000 gallons, or close to $20,000 in 1982.

That would be $45,000 in 2009 dollars, assuming 3.0% annual inflation. That is about 25% of the average annual salary for a widebody captain today. I doubt the crew would charge 25% of their annual salary on their personal credit cards for jet fuel, knowing that their company had declared bankruptcy and had shut down.

http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm

.



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5204 times:



Quoting CitationJet (Reply 19):
I doubt the crew would charge 25% of their annual salary on their personal credit cards

There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.
safe



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5037 times:



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15):
By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.



Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.

Do you have a source for this information? I didn't find it in Nance's book.

My parents were on flight 502 DFW to HNL on May 12/13, 1982 as Braniff non-rev employees and sat near Captain Lamb and the dead heading crew in First Class. I don't remember them mentioning anything about this topic.

.



Boeing Flown: 701,702,703;717;720;721,722;731,732,733,734,735,737,738,739;741,742,743,744,747SP;752,753;762,763;772,773.
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4842 times:



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11):
I have a hard time believing that a flight crew who were just about to be out of jobs (and paychecks) would charge thousands and thousands of dollars on to their own personal credit cards just to fly the plane of a bankrupt airline back to DFW.

have a tough time with this..I do know the TWA FA on TW 847 did use her credit card to buy fuel.


User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6181 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
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Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.
safe

Another thing overlooked by the naysayers is the fact that back then a lot of people had a lot of loyalty to their employers and coworkers. This was a time when most people expected to work at the same place their entire working life.

I have not heard of the crew paying for the fuel themselves, but I would believe it. I read that the 502 was ordered back over California, but went on to HNL anyway because the captain and crew felt they owed to to the passengers. If that was the case the story about the fuel purchase wouldn't surprise me.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
The other was LAS-STL a 757 the last TWA flight to land before 12am when TW switched over to AA, and the one you mentioned HNL-STL.



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
So it depends how you want to define it?

I would call the LAS-STL flight the last one because the HNL-STL flight ended as AA.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5703 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4604 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 23):

I would call the LAS-STL flight the last one because the HNL-STL flight ended as AA.

I swore I read that HNL-STL was the only TW flight to land on December 2nd carrying the TWA name and not the AA callsign?

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
25 Falstaff : I have heard that too, but I also read, in Airways, that it landed as an AA flight. I am sure there are some TW people here that would know for sure.
26 Post contains images CitationJet : Correction to above, it was flight 502 from HNL to DFW. I found their boarding passes from the flight.
27 Falstaff : Those are a neat piece of family history and a great airline collectible.
28 Isitsafenow : Frame them. Falstaff is right. Not many folks have something like. safe
29 Chase : Anybody know details of the last Ozark (I) flight? What about its subsequent incarnation?
30 Post contains links VV701 : There is a video on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5dj2ne91KQ&feature=related that clains to show the last mainland departure of an Aloh
31 FAT5DEP : Its seems odd that the TWA flight from HNL would change to AA mid flight. Did the flight plan and flight number change? So was the official end of TWA
32 JBo : Here's one: Skyway Airlines - April 5, 2008 - SYX1649 - MKE-MKG-MBL-MKE - BE1 (N91SK)
33 Cody : Air Florida's closed its doors on July 3, 1984. The last arriving flight came to Miami from London. One of my friends was the IFS Manager on the plane
34 Aggieflyboi04 : I looked on Wikipedia TWA 12/01/01 STL-LAS 10:00pm 757
35 Falstaff : According to Airways Classics #2, page 64, The last flight into St.Louis was TW171 ffrom LGA. It landed at 2200. The last 100% TW flight was TW 163 ST
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