FAT5DEP From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 118 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7238 times:
I have been hunting around for this info but still have some blanks. Anybody have anything to add or change to the following list? Feel free to add airlines if you like. Its seems like some airlines acknowledged their final flight while others just slipped into history.
Airline Date Route Flight # Aircraft Dep. Time
AirCal 6/30/87
Air Florida
Aloha 3/31/08 OGG-HNL 261 737-200 10:00 PM
America West 9/28/07
ATA 4/3/08 HNL-PHX 4586 757-200 12:10 AM
Eastern 1/18/91 LGA-ATL 409 727-200 11:00 PM
Frontier (1) 8/24/86
Pan Am 12/4/91 BGI-MIA 436 727-200
Piedmont 8/4/89 DAY-SBN 1031 737-400 10:39 PM
PSA 4/8/88 SAN-LAS 1486 10:35 PM
Reno Air 8/30/99
Republic
TWA 12/1/01 HNL-STL 2 767-300
Western 3/31/87 HNL-LAX 566 DC-10 11:10 PM
Oh, that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and be at rest.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7015 times:
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7017 times:
Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
safe
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Nwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7017 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1): I guess their final flight as NW only happened a while ago?
Not yet....
"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7003 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4): Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
safe
Could you give us more information on that flight?
Cs03 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 408 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6962 times:
Read "Splash of Colors" by John Nance for details about this final round trip DFW-HNL-DFW. Very good reading.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6951 times:
Quoting Cs03 (Reply 7): "Splash of Colors" by John Nance
Ditto....excellent writings about Braniff and where things went wrong and why.
Perhaps available at Airliner Shows(MCO July23-25)or on EBAY.
Nance should know. He flew diesal eights for them.
safe
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L1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1583 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6792 times:
Last Pan Am Shuttle:
8/31/91 DCA-LGA N877UM B727-230.
I was on it. I believe there was also one in the other direction and in both directions LGA-BOS. But the captain announced ours was the last Pan Am Shuttle. I recorded the news that night on my VCR, and it showed my flight backing out of the gate at DCA and it played the captain's announcement. I still have the videotape.
TDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6736 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4): At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
No way. How much wld that have cost?
I have a hard time believing that a flight crew who were just about to be out of jobs (and paychecks) would charge thousands and thousands of dollars on to their own personal credit cards just to fly the plane of a bankrupt airline back to DFW.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6442 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4): Braniff's Big Orange, the 747 from DFW to HNL. At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
My parents were on that flight, they were non-revs. The crew that flew the flight DFW to HNL changed to civilian clothes and reboarding the flight. The news media were at the HNL airport reporting on the bankruptcy and shutdown. My parents and them all flew home in First Class to DFW. When they arrived in DFW at sunrise on May 13 the Braniff fleet was sitting on the ground. It took forever to get the plane unloaded because there were just a few employees there to work it. They rented a car to drive home. What a way to end a 26 year career. I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.
Pilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6292 times:
Quoting UAL747 (Reply 1): I guess their final flight as NW only happened a while ago?
Until they get a SOC, there will be many NW flights.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6112 times:
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11): No way. How much wld that have cost?
Yes way.....We are in 1982. Fuel was NOT at two bucks a gallon.....yet.
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13): I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.
Read the book...Im sure it may chocked full of stuff ''you never heard of".
By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.
safe
[Edited 2009-04-04 10:29:31]
[Edited 2009-04-04 10:33:56]
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Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6066 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 8):
Quoting Cs03 (Reply 7):
"Splash of Colors" by John Nance
Ditto....excellent writings about Braniff and where things went wrong and why.
Perhaps available at Airliner Shows(MCO July23-25)or on EBAY.
Nance should know. He flew diesal eights for them.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6000 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15): Quoting CitationJet (Reply 13):
I don't believe that the flight crew paid for the fuel. I have never heard that.
Read the book...Im sure it may chocked full of stuff ''you never heard of".
By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.
I own the book and have read it. I just today reread Chapter 33 "All Hell Was Breaking Loose", Chapter 34 "The Last Pumpkin", and Chapter 35 "The True Assets of Braniff", which document the final flight #502 of N601BN.
Nowhere in these three chapters is it mentioned that Captain Charlie Lamb or flight engineer Chic Smalley (crew of flight 501 from DFW to HNL) or Captain Gordon Winfield or his crew (flight 502 from HNL to DFW) paid for the fuel for the HNL to DFW flgiht. Can anyone give a page in the book where it states the crew paid for the fuel?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4636 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15): Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11):
No way. How much wld that have cost?
Yes way.....We are in 1982. Fuel was NOT at two bucks a gallon.....yet.
Average jet fuel price paid by US airlines in 1982 was 98.9 cents a gallon according to US DOT data. I would guess a 747-100 HNL-DFW would need roughly 20,000 gallons, or close to $20,000 in 1982.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4493 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18): Average jet fuel price paid by US airlines in 1982 was 98.9 cents a gallon according to US DOT data. I would guess a 747-100 HNL-DFW would need roughly 20,000 gallons, or close to $20,000 in 1982.
That would be $45,000 in 2009 dollars, assuming 3.0% annual inflation. That is about 25% of the average annual salary for a widebody captain today. I doubt the crew would charge 25% of their annual salary on their personal credit cards for jet fuel, knowing that their company had declared bankruptcy and had shut down.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 19): I doubt the crew would charge 25% of their annual salary on their personal credit cards
There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.
safe
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CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4): At HNL, the crew bought fuel with their personal credit cards and flew it back to DFW..... May 12-13 of 1982.
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 15): By the way......they were re imbursed, in time, for most if not all they paid.
The HNL refuelers were very hesitant to sell fuel to a bankrupt company. Thats why the crew did what they did.
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20): There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.
Do you have a source for this information? I didn't find it in Nance's book.
My parents were on flight 502 DFW to HNL on May 12/13, 1982 as Braniff non-rev employees and sat near Captain Lamb and the dead heading crew in First Class. I don't remember them mentioning anything about this topic.
EXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3705 times:
Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 11): I have a hard time believing that a flight crew who were just about to be out of jobs (and paychecks) would charge thousands and thousands of dollars on to their own personal credit cards just to fly the plane of a bankrupt airline back to DFW.
have a tough time with this..I do know the TWA FA on TW 847 did use her credit card to buy fuel.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3538 times:
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20): There were I believe 11 or 12 working crewmembers from 501 and some BN employees, probably the crew for 502 on board going back to DFW...no paying pax. There already was some fuel on board and the bird was empty(lighter) going back.
Fuel required wasn't what most of us think it was....and it was heading east...with the wind.
safe
Another thing overlooked by the naysayers is the fact that back then a lot of people had a lot of loyalty to their employers and coworkers. This was a time when most people expected to work at the same place their entire working life.
I have not heard of the crew paying for the fuel themselves, but I would believe it. I read that the 502 was ordered back over California, but went on to HNL anyway because the captain and crew felt they owed to to the passengers. If that was the case the story about the fuel purchase wouldn't surprise me.
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3): The other was LAS-STL a 757 the last TWA flight to land before 12am when TW switched over to AA, and the one you mentioned HNL-STL.
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3): So it depends how you want to define it?
I would call the LAS-STL flight the last one because the HNL-STL flight ended as AA.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3467 times:
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 23):
I would call the LAS-STL flight the last one because the HNL-STL flight ended as AA.
I swore I read that HNL-STL was the only TW flight to land on December 2nd carrying the TWA name and not the AA callsign?
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
25 Falstaff: I have heard that too, but I also read, in Airways, that it landed as an AA flight. I am sure there are some TW people here that would know for sure.
26 CitationJet: Correction to above, it was flight 502 from HNL to DFW. I found their boarding passes from the flight.
27 Falstaff: Those are a neat piece of family history and a great airline collectible.
28 Isitsafenow: Frame them. Falstaff is right. Not many folks have something like. safe
29 Chase: Anybody know details of the last Ozark (I) flight? What about its subsequent incarnation?
30 VV701: There is a video on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5dj2ne91KQ&feature=related that clains to show the last mainland departure of an Aloh
31 FAT5DEP: Its seems odd that the TWA flight from HNL would change to AA mid flight. Did the flight plan and flight number change? So was the official end of TWA
33 Cody: Air Florida's closed its doors on July 3, 1984. The last arriving flight came to Miami from London. One of my friends was the IFS Manager on the plane
34 Aggieflyboi04: I looked on Wikipedia TWA 12/01/01 STL-LAS 10:00pm 757
35 Falstaff: According to Airways Classics #2, page 64, The last flight into St.Louis was TW171 ffrom LGA. It landed at 2200. The last 100% TW flight was TW 163 ST
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