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Southwest Fantastic Safety Record.  
User currently offlineB767 From Norway, joined Feb 2008, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11498 times:

I just checked Southwest safety record.This airline have made around 18 mill flights without having a fatal crash.I don,t know about hull losses,but anyway it is fantastic.I know they operate a very safe aircraft type.I don,t think they ever have operated anything else than the 737.Having only one type is probably a good thing from a safety point of view.But beyond that,what are they doing different,or is it only pure luck?

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User currently onlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1894 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11500 times:
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WN has operated other types of aircraft in the past, IIRC they had a bunch of 727s. As far as the safety numbers? Probably good mx, i'd say keep up the good work WN!


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User currently offlineEWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

WN has had a very good record for safety. While it is true that there has never been an incident with a passenger fatality (other than due to natural causes), there was one accident where a plane landing ast MDW overran the runway, crashed through a barrier wall and crushed a car on the street. A young boy in the car died in that crash. There was something similar at BUR, but without a death involved. As to hull losses, I know the MDW plane was repaired and is back in service. I think the BUR aircraft was also repaired, but I'm not 100% certain.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11460 times:



Quoting B767 (Thread starter):

Southwest Airlines in 2000 W/O a/c 668, when it overran the ruwnay at BUR.

Southwest Airlines repaired a/c 471 after it overran the runway at MDW, she is now in service again as N286WN.


I myself have visited the MX base over at DAL and I can truly say that they are some pretty dedicated folks. Southwest has always gotten my friends,family and of course myself to our destinations and back safe and sound. Keep up the good work Southwest, and for those folks who do read this post, please knock on wood that WN continues to keep up this clean record!



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11395 times:



Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 1):
WN has operated other types of aircraft in the past, IIRC they had a bunch of 727s.

The most we ever had was six, which isn't quite a "bunch", even relative to the total fleet size way back when. The single 722 back in 1979-1980 was a test, and the half-dozen 722s from PEX (who got them from Braniff v1.0, post-1982) in the 1983-1985 timeframe were to provide temporary lift until our then-new 733s could start arriving in late 1984 and into 1985.

BOEING 727

N406BN 291 19991/521 N7276F 03/79 01/80

N551PE 227(A) 20772/982 551 N426BN 02/84 02/85
N561PE 227(A) 21043/1113 561 N436BN 08/83 08/85
N563PE 227(A) 21045/1133 563 N438BN 05/84 10/85
N564PE 227(A) 21118/1167 564 N439BN 08/83 08/85
N566PE 227(A) 21242/1196 566 N441BN 05/84 10/85
N569PE 227(A) 21245/1202 569 N444BN 05/84 09/85

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 3):
Southwest Airlines in 2000 W/O a/c 668, when it overran the ruwnay at BUR.

Southwest Airlines repaired a/c 471 after it overran the runway at MDW, she is now in service again as N286WN.

Correct...


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11362 times:

Having a single fleet certainly helps, but you should also consider that the intensity of WN's operations is much more than that of other carriers, given its 10-15 min. turnaround. WN's aircraft (I would imagine, without having statistics to hand) have utilisation considerably in excess of similarly sized aircraft with other airlines - certainly the legacy carriers.

It really is a magnificent achievement and a great testament to the ability of the 737; after all, if any of the 737 models, -2/3/5/700, proved to be duds in any way, WN would be in serious trouble. It could not be what it is today if the 737 and CFM56 (and let's not forget the JT8D on the -200) were not as reliable as it is.


User currently offlineMaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1145 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11348 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):

The most we ever had was six, which isn't quite a "bunch", even relative to the total fleet size way back when. The single 722 back in 1979-1980 was a test, and the half-dozen 722s from PEX (who got them from Braniff v1.0, post-1982) in the 1983-1985 timeframe were to provide temporary lift until our then-new 733s could start arriving in late 1984 and into 1985.

BOEING 727

N406BN 291 19991/521 N7276F 03/79 01/80

N551PE 227(A) 20772/982 551 N426BN 02/84 02/85
N561PE 227(A) 21043/1113 561 N436BN 08/83 08/85
N563PE 227(A) 21045/1133 563 N438BN 05/84 10/85
N564PE 227(A) 21118/1167 564 N439BN 08/83 08/85
N566PE 227(A) 21242/1196 566 N441BN 05/84 10/85
N569PE 227(A) 21245/1202 569 N444BN 05/84 09/85

Just curious, OPNLguy, were these flown with Southwest flight crews or was it a wet lease?


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11328 times:



Quoting Maxpower1954 (Reply 6):
Just curious, OPNLguy, were these flown with Southwest flight crews or was it a wet lease?

SWA crews...both ends....


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11223 times:



Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 2):
there was one accident where a plane landing ast MDW overran the runway, crashed through a barrier wall and crushed a car on the street. A young boy in the car died in that crash.

That counts as a fatal accident for WN.

Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 2):
I think the BUR aircraft was also repaired, but I'm not 100% certain.

No, that 737-300 was written off.





User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Man, do I miss gas @ $1.59 a gallon....  Wink

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11079 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 3):
Southwest Airlines repaired a/c 471 after it overran the runway at MDW, she is now in service again as N286WN.

Ahh, I flew on that one back in December. Just like a brand new airplane!!! Was a bumpy ride and, ironically, it was terrible cold dowpour rain at MDW when we landed. Main thing is, we stayed on the airfield and deplaned at a jetbridge this time. LOL!

Seriously, you would never know this airplanes history unless you were told it.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11071 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 10):
Seriously, you would never know this airplanes history unless you were told it.

Speaking of, any idea of the history of N697SW? It made a famous landing once....before it came to SWA, that is....


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11058 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
Speaking of, any idea of the history of N697SW?

I think I remember but please tell me anyway!! LOL!



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11043 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 12):
I think I remember but please tell me anyway!! LOL!

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/3606153/


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

That's the event I was thinking about!! What an amazing story!


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11021 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
Speaking of, any idea of the history of N697SW?

N687SW was hijacked while flying with Aviateca , and the FO was killed. If only some planes can talk, what story we'd hear!



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10973 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 15):
N687SW was hijacked while flying with Aviateca , and the FO was killed. If only some planes can talk, what story we'd hear!

Indeed, but the question was re: N697SW....and its unusual landing....  Wink


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10924 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 16):
Indeed, but the question was re: N697SW....and its unusual landing.... Wink

Haha hey off by 10!  Wink


I did however want to know if the accident at MDW was the worst accident involving a 737-700?



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10903 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 17):
I did however want to know if the accident at MDW was the worst accident involving a 737-700?

It's the only one involving a fatality so I guess that would make it the worst. In terms of aircraft damage, this Gol incident in 2003 sounds somewhat similar to the MDW overrun.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20031220-1


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10903 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 17):
I did however want to know if the accident at MDW was the worst accident involving a 737-700?

Looking at the database, I see no 737-700 hull losses, and other than our 1248, just a couple of other runway/taxiway excursions by GOL/Easyjet, both back in 2003.

May it remain so...


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10542 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Having a single fleet certainly helps, but you should also consider that the intensity of WN's operations is much more than that of other carriers, given its 10-15 min. turnaround. WN's aircraft (I would imagine, without having statistics to hand) have utilisation considerably in excess of similarly sized aircraft with other airlines - certainly the legacy carriers.

Agreed. It is important to note hat take-off and landings are the most risky regiment of flight, and WN's short-haul network has disproportionately more of them than network carriers. That makes Southwest Airlines' safety record all the more remarkable, IMO.

FWIW, WN doesn't turn aircraft in 10-15 minutes, at least not anymore. I think OPNL would confirm that 25-30 minutes is closer to the average WN has maintained over the years. That is still very prompt.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20244 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

A lot of it is luck.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not knocking WN or calling them unsafe. They take safety very seriously and, other than a few embarrassments, their record is exemplary.

However, plane crashes are very rare. Since WN started operation, there haven't been many fatal accidents in the U.S., period. And WN has been lucky.

It's only a matter of time. WN will lose a hull in a fatal accident. I don't relish the thought by any means and I hope it's a long time, but if WN stays in business long enough, it will happen. It may or may not be avoidable, but it'll happen.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2425 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

Is it more or is it weird the day AFTER this topic was started, a SWA plane had to make an emergency landing at ISP .... Go Figure.....


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10217 times:



Quoting B767 (Thread starter):
This airline have made around 18 mill flights without having a fatal crash

Actually incorrect, they overran the runway in Chicago and killed a little boy on the ground.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 9):
Man, do I miss gas @ $1.59 a gallon....

Especially since those $1.59 prices are in California  Wink


Either way WN has been hammered a few times for skipping their maint. checks, they just got nailed for another one recently. Every US airline is safe considering the high standards that they all must follow.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineFloorrunner From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10022 times:

My belief is that this safety record starts right at the very top with their leadership. I have no doubt in my mind that Southwest takes safety very seriously. When they had the incident at MDW, Gary Kelly was right with it in Southwest accepting responsibility and not trying to pass the buck. You don't see that with a lot of companies these days. He set the example for the rest of his employees, taught to him by Herb and Colleen.

25 Rampart : I saw that too and laughed! Incident happened after I moved from the Valley. I remember that station, used to get my gas on the way out of the airpor
26 ArcrftLvr : As said above, WN operated the 722s for a short while. Absolutely. It's nice to recognize WN's great record, but I don't want anything to be jinxed.
27 BTCCMan : Amazingly N697SW is one of the 19 SW 737s that I have flown on - great to know its colourful past! Thanks!
28 Atrude777 : I have heard this from a couple family members who claim to hear this, and I certainly am not disclaiming it but I cannot find this anywhere online.
29 AAR90 : As a former USN Aviation Safety Officer on the outside looking in, my semi-educated guess would be that the single biggest factor is the simplicity o
30 OPNLguy : I suspect that someone heard the follow-on story about the previously-proposed $10M fine having been settled for $7.5M and somehow thought there was
31 Adam42185 : Am I missing something or does the boy killed at MDW not count as a fatality? Perhaps they mean nobody in the aircraft died, but that's pushing the i
32 BabyFat310 : How many hull losses has WN had in its history?
33 Atrude777 : To my knowledge one, which was the BUR incident relayed above earlier. Alex
34 N471WN : Yes that is correctt---only ONE hull loss and that is an amazing statistic.
35 PHLBOS : Follow up question to the above (I realize that it's a tad off topic). Were the Transtar DC-9s/MD-80s ever flown by SWA flight crews or just former-M
36 OPNLguy : All Muse Air/Transtar folks...(The name had changed by then...) I'd have to agree. When discussing safety stats, the normal frame of reference, or, i
37 SXDFC : At the begining of the post (if you scroll up) I said : Hopefully 668 will be the ONLY hull loss with WN... Well if those are the prices 9 years go,
38 B767 : Does anybody know how they hire new pilots?What kind of election process compared to other airlines.Is there any phsycological testing different from
39 F9fan : Well, WN definately lucked out on the MDW and BUR incidents where they only had one "on the ground" fatality and lost one hull, respectively. That sai
40 DocLightning : Yup. It's only a matter of time. Anyone at WN who isn't thankful for a good dose of good fortune teeters on arrogance. All of us are alive at this mo
41 Sccutler : Actually, no. Southwest determined certain inspections which had not been performed as a result of inadvertence (not "skipped," which implicitly mean
42 Tdscanuck : I'm very hesitant to go on a tangent within this thread over TWA800, but this isn't actually correct. Regardless of which TWA800 theory you happen to
43 DocLightning : Then you apparently wish to see the company have its downfall. Aviation is 100 years old.
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