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First Finnair A333 To JFK Today - Good Bye MD-11  
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23934 times:

AY's service to JFK celebrate's the 40th anniversary this spring: The new A333 replaces MD-11.

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Today 6th of April the first Finnair A333 starts the daily service on the HEL-JFK route, in the coming summer season the route will be served 10x weekly. The A333 cabin has got a new look in both classes, the rest of the fleet will get the new cabins in about two years. The business class will get fully-flat seats starting with the fifth A333 arriving in November.

Cabin pictures & service info:
http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/mediaen_9_1_3.html
The new C-class seat, Swiss getting it also:
http://www.patrick-lindon.com/bilder/proj-thso-van1.jpg

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Yesterday the 5th of April AY's old work horse MD-11 said good bye to JFK, after 17 years of service. All their MD-11s will be gone by next spring. Now it seems AY's only MD-11 route next winter season will be the HEL-BKK. The MD-11s are being replaced by eight A333s, five arriving this year, three more next year. AY also have five A343s.

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Finnair opened the HEL-JFK service (via CPH and AMS) 40 years ago in May 1969, using DC-8-60. In 1975 they started the non stop flights with DC-10-30, in 1992 the route got MD-11.

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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 23893 times:

A330 to JFK, huh... What comes next?

Oh, wait! I know!!!



THIS!

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User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23836 times:

So what's going to happen to AY's MD-11's? Had a pleasure of flying it HEL-PVG in 2005, enjoyed it, even if I've been somewhat bashing the plane in the NRT crash thread.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23838 times:

Wasn't AY the first pax operator of the MD11?


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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23798 times:



Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):
Wasn't AY the first pax operator of the MD11?

I'm pretty sure that was DL.

Atlanta



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23761 times:



Quoting JFernandez (Reply 2):
So what's going to happen to AY's MD-11's?

SU Cargo have bought a couple, those owned by AY, not sure where the leased ones go.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):
Wasn't AY the first pax operator of the MD11?

A.net Aircraft Data says: "First flight occurred on January 10 1990, certification was granted in November that year, and the first one was delivered on December 7 1990 to Finnair."
I've undrestood AA accepted the first production MD-11, Finnair was the first one to put the type into revenue service.

The first commercial MD-11 flight in passenger service was Finnair's Helsinki-Tenerife 20th Dec 1990.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23733 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 4):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 3):
Wasn't AY the first pax operator of the MD11?

I'm pretty sure that was DL.

Sorry, DL wasn't even close to being the first MD-11 operator. AY was the first in December 1990, 13 months before DL's first MD-11 was delivered in March 1992. By then, at least 10 other airlines were flying the MD-11.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 23729 times:



Quoting LH4116 (Reply 1):
A330 to JFK, huh... What comes next?

Oh, wait! I know!!!

My personal favourite: Finnair A1700 - 2400 Cruiser.. looks so cosy  Wink

http://www.reflektion.info/2040_061108_1_finnair_A1700-2400_cruiser_1000.jpg


User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23639 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Sorry, DL wasn't even close to being the first MD-11 operator. AY was the first in December 1990, 13 months before DL's first MD-11 was delivered in March 1992. By then, at least 10 other airlines were flying the MD-11.

Then, I do not understand these photos. Both were taken in 1990.


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User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23551 times:

Another MD 11 route retired. I tear streams down my cheek. The last of the true beauties. The wingkets, the three hole. It's just too, too bad.

User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23529 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 7):
My personal favourite: Finnair A1700 - 2400 Cruiser.. looks so cosy

It indeed does Big grin
It's like flying inside a could!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 23523 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 8):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Sorry, DL wasn't even close to being the first MD-11 operator. AY was the first in December 1990, 13 months before DL's first MD-11 was delivered in March 1992. By then, at least 10 other airlines were flying the MD-11.

Then, I do not understand these photos. Both were taken in 1990.

Thanks, I didn't know DL had leased these two MD-11s. I was only referring to those ordered from Boeing directly. In any case, the first MD-11 delivered was to AY, 2 weeks before these two operated by DL (leased from Mitsui in Japan).


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23508 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 8):

Then, I do not understand these photos. Both were taken in 1990.

Delta started receiving MD-11s in 1990, but Finnair was still the first to put them into scheduled service in December 1990.

Note that both your pictures are of special flights, not scheduled services. I do not know when Delta's first revenue service started with the MD-11, but Finnair was first (December 7, 1990).



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23456 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 5):
The first commercial MD-11 flight in passenger service was Finnair's Helsinki-Tenerife 20th Dec 1990.

Sorry it should be: in scheduled service.


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23185 times:

Changing MD-11 for Airbus is absolutely downgrade for any route.

Finnair's next downgrade is in May when 333 takes HEL-DEL -route.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23149 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 14):
Finnair's next downgrade is in May when 333 takes HEL-DEL -route.

A little off-topic:
IIRC, India-HEL-JFK flights have a short window for connection at HEL. Has that changed?


User currently offlineFinnaviation From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23140 times:

DEL-HEL arrives @ HEL 13:30 (1:30pm) and HEK-JFK departs 14:10 (2:10) so DEL-JFK via HEL is possible.

HEL-BOM-HEL is closing in May.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18675 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23129 times:



Quoting Andaman (Thread starter):


AY's service to JFK celebrate's the 40th anniversary this spring: The new A333 replaces MD-11.

Can it? Same capacity?

Quoting Richiemo (Reply 9):
Another MD 11 route retired. I tear streams down my cheek. The last of the true beauties. The wingkets, the three hole. It's just too, too bad.

Amen, brother. Amen.  no 


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 23085 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
Can it? Same capacity?


AY
A343 = 269 seats (Y227/C42)
A333 = 271 seats (Y229/C42)
MD11 = 282 seats (Y246/C36)

[Edited 2009-04-05 22:47:08]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18675 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 23007 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 18):

A343 = 269 seats (Y227/C42)
A333 = 271 seats (Y229/C42)
MD11 = 282 seats (Y246/C36)

Interesting. I thought the 343 was bigger than the 333.

Yeah, you can't really call 11 seats a downgrade.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22935 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Interesting. I thought the 343 was bigger than the 333.

Yeah I thought that too, A343 is able to carry more cargo though.


User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 678 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22935 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 7):
My personal favourite: Finnair A1700 - 2400 Cruiser.. looks so cosy Wink

Unless you are in the middle seat, 100 meters from the nearest window Big grin


User currently offlineHolidaycharter From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22780 times:

Wasnt Swiss one of the first for the MD11?

I for one will be sad when Finnair move these on.

[Edited 2009-04-06 01:41:16]

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22699 times:



Quoting Andaman (Reply 20):
Yeah I thought that too, A343 is able to carry more cargo though.

They are exactly the same size. They can carry the exact same amount of cargo, however the a333 can carry a smaller payload IIRC. So it can carry the same cargo over a shorter distance than the a343.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22694 times:



Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 14):
Changing MD-11 for Airbus is absolutely downgrade for any route.

Come on! Accept progress. I'm sure the on-board comfort cannot be worse with state-of-the-art entertainment system, 2-4-2 config seating...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Interesting. I thought the 343 was bigger than the 333.

They both have same size, length, height, wing span, cabin width etc... The main difference (apart from the number of engines) is that the structure of the A343 is heavier, allowing for more cargo / more fuel to be taken, enhancing the range, or, read this differently, the structure of the A333 is lighter, allowing for better fuel efficiency.

I can guess that, with nearly identical seating configuration, AY will use the A333 on the shortest routes and the A343 on the longest routes that the A333 cannot do. Like AC used to do when both fleet were still in service.



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25 Mir : They're the same size. The difference (only two seats) is probably a configuration thing, replacing one side of the 2-4-2 configuration with a closet
26 Aerialix : The difference comes from relocation of crew rest compartment, from the back of the aircraft to the middle, thus eliminating the emergency escape hat
27 Andaman : Yes hopefully all their C-cabins get the fully flats... but talking about the Y-class most of us use there are not much differences, just different f
28 DC10sRULE : How Sad! I got my farewell flight last Oct JFK-HEL to enjoy one last MD-11 experience. I will admit that the 10 abreast seating was not pleasant given
29 Sancho99504 : Just booked AY JFK-HEL-HKG-BKK-HEL-JFK in on 14MAY09, hopefully, MD11 will be in service still on AY 96. Never have flown on an A343 or MD11, will be
30 Andaman : Yes most probably BKK will be served by MD-11 in May, the HEL-BKK will be the last MD-11 route for AY. It seems MD-11 really shares the opinions, I w
31 Lufthansa747 : Acceptable for the short flight - old recliners with about 50" pitch and a useless old PTV with ridiculous controls (no remote). B-HNL is the B777 pr
32 Sancho99504 : All legs in C, usually only fly y domestically. Can't stand being cramped anything longer than 3 hours.
33 Andaman : Good, you have an interesting routing, a TR would be cool
34 Sancho99504 : Will try to get one in. The routing is due in part not being able to book HEL-BKK for some reason.
35 LipeGIG : This is really not good for any M11 lover. Year after year, there's less M11 in activity (passenger) It depends on your view of downgrade. The M11 ca
36 Post contains links and images Andaman : After the cabin face lift, the KLM MD-11s have (AVOD) PTVs now, though the screen looks smaller than on AY. Over all, the new KL MD-11 looks fine to
37 Finnaviation : At this moment, it's HEL-DEL.
38 Andaman : Yes true, it has changed, though DEL is getting the their second A333 next month. Well, most probably we will see more changes before their MD-11s le
39 SurfandSnow : Thank you! At least someone here is thinking rationally! The new A330 will be a MAJOR improvement in terms of comfort, safety, and overall pax experi
40 Finnaviation : Safety? Tell me more about this safety.
41 Leskova : In terms of comfort, it's a major upgrade. Probably even more so in terms of economics. I agree that it's probably not a "MAJOR improvement" in terms
42 Post contains images Andaman : Finnair's network in Asia is based on transit traffic, probably only HEL-BKK would survive without. Hard to see any Middle Eastern/Asian carrier comi
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