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WN Hit By Lighting, Dumping Fuel For Return To ISP  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11005 times:

Watching local news seems a WN flight out of ISP is dumping fuel to return. Witnesses are saying they heard a big boom and saw an engine on fire. Will try to keep info current. Departure was about 10am.

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Wow, FAA just announced plane has landed safely. The best possible outcome. It also was not lightning. Now saying mechanical.

User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11016 times:

737s can't dump fuel........

User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11019 times:

I didn't know you could dump fuel in a 737. Hope everyone will be alright.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11014 times:

195

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA195

The pax should have some stories for us.


User currently onlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2145 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10993 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 2):
737s can't dump fuel........

That's what I was just thinking ......



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Witnesses say there was "bright orange" flames shooting from the engine..... Could it still be a lighting strike?

[Edited 2009-04-06 08:02:27]


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User currently offlinePlateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Local paper has a piece up:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/su...est0712625361apr06,0,7217133.story

"One FAA spokeswoman told Newsday that controllers at the New York TRACON center - the control center for flights into and out of MacArthur - had no reports of a lightning strike, though thunderstorms were in the area at the time.

Officials told Newsday the pilot reported having "a mechanical problem" and said the plane is believed to have circled over the Atlantic, dumping excess fuel, before returning to MacArthur."

Well they say no lighting but then the officials supposedly say the plane dumped fuel....great officials, eh?

Thankfully everyone is safe



"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10750 times:



Quoting Plateman (Reply 7):
Well they say no lighting but then the officials supposedly say the plane dumped fuel....great officials, eh?

Media always screws up information with regards to planes.. I believe the plane did however fly in a holding pattern much like the one jetBlue 292 did a few years ago when it had that landing gear problem..



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User currently offlineFloorrunner From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10697 times:

My guess is that these media people mistook them saying burning off fuel for dumping fuel. What happened to the days when a reporter actually researched the facts?

Regardless of what happened it is always good to know that the plane returned safely.


User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10671 times:



Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 9):
What happened to the days when a reporter actually researched the facts?

Why should the media let facts get in the way of breaking story? The "need" to be first rather than accurate fuels crummy reporting at a minimum.

Glad it all turned out OK


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10619 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):
Witnesses say there was "bright orange" flames shooting from the engine..... Could it still be a lighting strike?

Hard to say. Witnesses on news 12 said they heard booms. Guess we have to wait for the facts to come out.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 10):
Why should the media let facts get in the way of breaking story? The "need" to be first rather than accurate fuels crummy reporting at a minimum.

That's what it's all about. Getting the viewers not getting it right. It has only been fueled more and more and will never change.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

I hate to ask, but could this be another possible bird ingenstion? That would cause an engine flameout, right?

-Rampart


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10593 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):
Witnesses say there was "bright orange" flames shooting from the engine..... Could it still be a lighting strike?

A compressor stall possibly?

Quoting Plateman (Reply 7):
dumping excess fuel, before returning to MacArthur."

Ugh! Even if they meant burning excess fuel, how hard is it to say that than dumping? I absolutely hate the media....


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2386 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10466 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 12):
I hate to ask, but could this be another possible bird ingenstion?

There is some thunder and lightning in the area, so it looks like that might be a good factor, again its speculation from the news here, but I doubt it was a bird.


They showed the plane on the news it looks like its a/c 786:


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Side note- ship 786 was the first plane to get the "Southwest.com" winglets AFAIK



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User currently offlineNRA-3B From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Bright orange would seem to indicate an oil fed fire. I have seen aircraft land with broken oil lines and it looks like a bright orange afterburner tail. Good that they got back on the ground before any thing really bad happened.

Cheers,
Bob

[Edited 2009-04-06 10:20:37]

User currently offlinePlateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

Updated article with some more info:

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/su...est0712625361apr06,0,7217133.story



"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently onlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3189 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10000 times:



Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 9):
What happened to the days when a reporter actually researched the facts?

It's a race to get the story on the street before your competition. Accurate, slightly accurate or not.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9711 times:



Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 9):
Media always screws up information with regards to planes.. I believe the plane did however fly in a holding pattern much like the one jetBlue 292 did a few years ago when it had that landing gear problem..



Quoting Floorrunner (Reply 9):
My guess is that these media people mistook them saying burning off fuel for dumping fuel. What happened to the days when a reporter actually researched the facts?



Quoting Tan Flyr (Reply 10):
Why should the media let facts get in the way of breaking story? The "need" to be first rather than accurate fuels crummy reporting at a minimum.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
That's what it's all about. Getting the viewers not getting it right. It has only been fueled more and more and will never change.



Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 13):
Ugh! Even if they meant burning excess fuel, how hard is it to say that than dumping? I absolutely hate the media....

Is the fact that they said dumping rather than buring REALLY, that important? In the end both acheive the same end: less fuel. Is one word really that upsetting"  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8561 times:



Quoting Manfredj (Reply 3):
I didn't know you could dump fuel in a 737.

They don't. Neither does the A320 family.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlinePhxpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 80 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8447 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
Is one word really that upsetting"

In one word: yes.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8223 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 18):
Is the fact that they said dumping rather than buring REALLY, that important? In the end both acheive the same end: less fuel. Is one word really that upsetting"  sarcastic 

There is a HUGE difference between dumping fuel and burning fuel.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineSoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8108 times:

My girlfriend works at ISP, called me and told me they had a WN fuel dumping???....was inbound w/ a compressor issue...I hauled -ss with cameras to ISP, (4 miles) ...she flew right over me about 100 feet...nothing looked to be out of the ordinary. She was escorted by fire trucks...the airport are was crawling with ambulances, police cars, black vehicles w/ strobes...

Been aviation hell around here for last 24 hours since Bob Baranaskas P-40 went down!...Thunderstorms to boot...


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7022 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Witnesses are saying they heard a big boom and saw an engine on fire.

That suggests it wasn't a lightning strike...a lightning strike would sound like thunder, which doesn't sound much at all like a compressor surge or an engine failure.

Quoting Rampart (Reply 12):
I hate to ask, but could this be another possible bird ingenstion? That would cause an engine flameout, right?

It can cause an engine flameout if it goes through the core, but they often don't.

Quoting NRA-3B (Reply 15):
Bright orange would seem to indicate an oil fed fire.

True, but Jet-A is just oil (from a combustion point of view). A bad compressor stall, a fuel leak, or an oil leak could all give you orange flames.

Tom.


User currently offlineYWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6719 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 8):
Media always screws up information with regards to planes.



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 6):
Witnesses say there was "bright orange" flames shooting from the engine..... Could it still be a lighting strike?

I'm going to call this one a compressor stall.



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25 NIKV69 : I was thinking the same thing, also absent of any leak of a bird strike sounds like something with the engine. Hope we hear something soon I am so cu
26 Jman40 : In the media's defense, it does appear they quoted an aviation "official" (presumably with the FAA, the airport, or WN) who said the plane was dumpin
27 Post contains links Asteriskceo : Well now that the FAA/NTSB are making bird strike records and data secret from the public me may never know! http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-
28 Wjcandee : Compressor stalls do this. Can be no big deal.
29 CanyonBlue17 : Is this going to be challenged? I don't see any legitimate legal reason for this to be necessary, considering it has been public information for so m
30 Soon7x7 : What witnesses?...Ceiling was low with mist and thunderstorms...pouring rain...only birds would have seen anything... funny how last week I started a
31 Jonjonnl : The media gets pretty much all sort of technical news wrong plenty... the things is that people in this forum are knowledgeable on aeroplanes and thi
32 Dragon-wings : I guess we will be seeing this plane parked at the former Garratt (I think that was the name on the hanger) hanger until it's fixed. (I am talking abo
33 Floorrunner : Well than I must make my apologies to the media. According to the article it said, "Officials said" I am curious to know what officials, before we st
34 NIKV69 : Today's Newsday, page A3. Lauren Cusumano of Holbrook is quoted as saying after hearing loud bangs and looking out her kitchen window. "I saw sparks
35 Tdscanuck : The witnesses came in Reply 6, not from me. I have no idea who the specific ones that mentioned a "boom" were. Tom.
36 Post contains links NIKV69 : http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny...wes0812630309apr07,0,1084108.story Update.
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