The jist of the article is that New Orleans has seen the worst of the cuts, the market is still underserved, and demand is enviable compared to other places.
He also briefly touched on the prospect of international air service to New Orleans by stating that it could be a while before the city sees intl. service, but it'll come...and that "if Phoenix can support service to London, New Orleans can."
Mike Boyd was speaking at the Louisiana Airport Managers and Associates conference which is taking place in downtown New Orleans this week.
ATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3513 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter): He also briefly touched on the prospect of international air service
to New Orleans by stating that it could be a while before the city sees intl. service, but it'll come...and that "if Phoenix can support service to London, New Orleans can."
That is laughable. Phoenix's metro population is over 4 million while New Orleans' metro population sits at a little over 1 million. I'd imagine there is quite a disparity between the per capita incomes of the two cities as well.
SKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3500 times:
Hello jetBlue? Can we get some MSY-SFO/OAK/SAN/AUS/JAX/FLL/CUN/MBJ/SAP service? Would be a perfect setup to link the east and west through MSY like they do in AUS.
LAXdude1023 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter): "if Phoenix can support service to London, New Orleans can."
Not a very smart statement. New Orleans might have more tourism traffic but thats about it. PHX has more money, more business traffic, and a much larger population.
In this economy I think any Europe service from MSY would be a total failure. In a good economy, maybe a Charter airline would be good for the market. MSY is too far for a 757 to make it to Europe.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 1): That is laughable. Phoenix's metro population is over 4 million while New Orleans' metro population sits at a little over 1 million. I'd imagine there is quite a disparity between the per capita incomes of the two cities as well.
Quoting PITrules (Reply 2): Not one of Boyd's better statements.
I agree. Comparing a metro of 4 million+ to around 1.1 million is not exactly the best comparison.
Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 3): Hello jetBlue? Can we get some MSY-SFO/OAK/SAN/AUS/JAX/FLL/CUN/MBJ/SAP service? Would be a perfect setup to link the east and west through MSY like they do in AUS.
I think B6 could easily do in MSY what they did in AUS.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3304 times:
I just wish US would wake up an put MSY-PHX service back. The old AWE had 2 flights to PHX that did fairly well. Still US has too many holes in tying the EAST and WEST cities together.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3271 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter): He also briefly touched on the prospect of international air service to New Orleans by stating that it could be a while before the city sees intl. service, but it'll come...
Boyd is a little off on this one also. Today, April 7, Mayor Nagin will hold a news conference announcing that International air service is returning. Flights to Honduras and MEX.
My guess is TACA to Tegucigalpa and Mexicana to MEX. Will be interesting ot see the details.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 7): Today, April 7, Mayor Nagin will hold a news conference announcing that International air service is returning. Flights to Honduras and MEX.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4345 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3219 times:
The only "stable" or "underserved" markets are Boyds clients
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2458 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3146 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 7): Boyd is a little off on this one also. Today, April 7, Mayor Nagin will hold a news conference announcing that International air service is returning. Flights to Honduras and MEX.
My guess is TACA to Tegucigalpa and Mexicana to MEX. Will be interesting ot see the details.
Later MD
Great to hear! MSY was my first "love" as airports go, way back in th '70's..
Looking for more & better service at my home airport.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 3500 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 7): My guess is TACA to Tegucigalpa and Mexicana to MEX.
These stations are well served through IAH instead.
CO has consolidated their services into CO MSY-IAH and then either [CO MSY-TGU] or [CO MSY-MEX].
I'm not pretty sure if MSY might sustain healthy services again to the mentioned Latin American destinations.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3042 times:
Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 12): These stations are well served through IAH instead.
Not everyone wants to connect. I don't see any issue with MSY supporting one or two nonstops to Mexico and/or Central America...especially considering the large increase in the Latin American population in the New Orleans area since Katrina.
Quoting Olli (Reply 11): It is confirmed by a Louisiana representative in Mexico City. AeroMexico will start air service
My guess is TACA to Tegucigalpa and Mexicana to MEX. Will be interesting ot see the details.
The mods removed the thread that Juventus started, so let me repost the news here. It is neither TA nor MX that is launching MSY, it is AM that will launch MSY-MEX-SAP.
I wonder if this will be an E-190 or 73W flight. My money is on the Embraer. I also wonder if the flight will be 4x weekly, 5x weekly or daily.
It is great to see AM back at MSY. I flew MEX-CUN-MSY-CUN-MEX back in 1996. It was served with an MD-80 I believe. Go AM, go!!!
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14): I wonder if this will be an E-190 or 73W flight. My money is on the Embraer. I also wonder if the flight will be 4x weekly, 5x weekly or daily.
AM applied for daily MSY-MEX service using Aerolittoral ERJ's several months back. I don't know if they are still planning on using the ERJ since the flight will continue to SAP....I think an E90 would be a good fit if they plan on getting some through traffic to Honduras....but, it's just great to see them back regardless of the airplane used. A lot of naysayers on here and elsewhere said it wouldn't happen.
SANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2867 times:
While it would be nice to see some new carriers, international service isn't where the airport needs to expand. IAH, DFW, and ATL all can provide the connections.
There are still many U.S. markets that haven't had service restored to MSY yet. I flew SAN-MSY on WN and that hasn't been restored yet. They should be inviting F9, VX, G4, etc., to look at service. But I wouldn't rule out international service completely.
As for Canada:
This is the international market that should be pursued. They won't have to deal with FIDS and all that with the Border Precleareance done in Canada. WS seems like a good choice.
As for Europe:
Europe service has been tried before and didn't work then. National MSY-AMS, British Airways LGW-MSY-MEX. I don't think they are the market for full service, charters maybe.
As for Mexico:
I just can't see a market to Mexico because the first choices of a carrier are generally the Mexican resort destinations. I mean MSY is pretty much attracting the same tourist market. I believe CO serves the most destinations to Mexico from IAH and also was the first airline to restore its MSY operations to pre-Katrina levels, so it doesn't seem like going totally out of the way to connect.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3755 posts, RR: 15 Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2838 times:
Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 3): Hello jetBlue? Can we get some MSY-SFO/OAK/SAN/AUS/JAX/FLL/CUN/MBJ/SAP service? Would be a perfect setup to link the east and west through MSY like they do in AUS.
I'd sure love to see SAN-MSY started up again. B6 unfortunately seems to be concentrating on the Caribbean and S. America these days (plus, of course, LA and SF.) As you folks in MSY, we here in San Diego just keep hoping for things to happen...
Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 1): That is laughable. Phoenix's metro population is over 4 million while New Orleans' metro population sits at a little over 1 million. I'd imagine there is quite a disparity between the per capita incomes of the two cities as well.
A little over the top there, Mr. Boyd...
Quoting Olli (Reply 11): It is confirmed by a Louisiana representative in Mexico City. AeroMexico will start air service. Don't know about the frequency though.
Standard disclaimer: This is AM we are talking about here; get the saltshaker out.
On another thread, I gave OAK-GDL a 50/50 chance at best; I would give this one a lesser chance of ever getting off the ground. But good luck MSY, maybe you'll be one of the very lucky ones that sees the service start
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 30038 posts, RR: 78 Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2825 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 17): Quoting Olli (Reply 11):
It is confirmed by a Louisiana representative in Mexico City. AeroMexico will start air service. Don't know about the frequency though.
Standard disclaimer: This is AM we are talking about here; get the saltshaker out.
I give it 4-6 months. This would also be their second stab at San Pedro Sula. The first time around I believe it lasted about 5 months.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 13935 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 14): it is AM that will launch MSY-MEX-SAP.
This route will live and die based on the performance of MSYMEX. MSY<>SAP sounds nice, but it's already well served via other connecting points and AM doesn't offer anything new or different. Then again it is AM so it'll probably be pulled in about a month
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2820 times:
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16): While it would be nice to see some new carriers, international service isn't where the airport needs to expand. IAH, DFW, and ATL all can provide the connections.
The airport and region aren't happy with having all passengers connect to get to international destinations. I think they realize that Houston, Miami, Atlanta, etc. all passed up MSY many years ago, but that shouldn't be a detterant for them not to try to get SOME direct international service...and thankfully, it doesn't look like it is. The past four years excluded, the city has always had some international service.
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16): There are still many U.S. markets that haven't had service restored to MSY yet
I would think that increased svc. domestically is still at the forefront.
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16): They should be inviting F9, VX, G4, etc
I agree. I think at least one of those will happen.
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16): I just can't see a market to Mexico because the first choices of a carrier are generally the Mexican resort destinations
When TW flew MSY-MEX, they averaged something like 72 pax/flight on an MD-80 that departed around 8:30pm...not a great departure time, and that was just with local traffic...no connections out of MEX obviously. I think this AM service will work because of the guarantee of a better departure time, use of a smaller aircraft, plus the obvious connections out of MEX.
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16): Canada:
This is the international market that should be pursued. They won't have to deal with FIDS and all that with the Border Precleareance done in Canada. WS seems like a good choice.
Would be nice to see AC return, definetely.
Quoting SANAV8R (Reply 16):
As for Europe:
Europe service has been tried before and didn't work then. National MSY-AMS, British Airways LGW-MSY-MEX. I don't think they are the market for full service, charters maybe.
The last scheduled service was in '82 (BA) during the oil bust....too bad it didn't stick around longer....but even so, it would have been canned in August '05.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 5987 posts, RR: 53 Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2796 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): I give it 4-6 months. This would also be their second stab at San Pedro Sula. The first time around I believe it lasted about 5 months.
Ye have little faith.
BTW...looks like they are currently operating MEX-SAP....
Would you expect anything less? If it's not going through MIA or LAX it stands no chance just on O&D alone. Atleast that's what I take away from some of his post on here.
With all due respect, I think it may actually work with the right equipment. Atleast it stands a better chance than some of the other markets that have shown some intrest in flying to MEX before. LIT for example.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 30038 posts, RR: 78 Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2748 times:
Quoting Lexy (Reply 22):
Would you expect anything less? If it's not going through MIA or LAX it stands no chance just on O&D alone. Atleast that's what I take away from some of his post on here.
Or maybe it's because AeroMexico has come and gone from market after market, including, but not limited to, Salt Lake City, various Chicago routes, Dallas, Managua, Austin, San Diego-Mexico City, Atlanta, Fort Lauderdale, Boston, Tucson and Denver. And anybody who follows AeroMexico's shaky route planning (which you obviously do not), realizes its instability in the United States-Mexico market outside of their five core U.S. stations - IAH, JFK, LAS, LAX and MIA.
I'm not sure why you always need to be so rude with your posts and assume some sort of bias is going on here. Nobody brought up MIA or LAX except you.
EXAAUADL From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 4083 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2694 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Thread starter): He also briefly touched on the prospect of international air service to New Orleans by stating that it could be a while before the city sees intl. service, but it'll come...and that "if Phoenix can support service to London, New Orleans can
I dont understand how MSY can support service to MEX and TGU today. Ok in regulation days it made sense as the aircraft were thru from ATL or JFK. Prop days made sense cuz it was a jumping off point.
Maybe the hispanic population has grown a lot in MSY since the hurricane?
But when I looked at loads pre-huirricane to latin american cities served from MSY over the years, they were very poor.
And yes the comparison between PHX and MSY is absurd
25 MSYtristar: Yes, it has...some reports say it has tripled. Mexico even re-opened the consulate in MSY due to the influx in Mexican residents since the hurricane;
26 MSYtristar: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AeroMe...o-Plans-to-Launch-bw-14873464.html Six weekly ERJ flights start July 6th.
27 BA744PHX: The funny thing is even PHX's hispanic/latin population is more the the entire metro population of MSY 1,075,283 MSY total metro area 1,119,135 PHX hi
28 MSYtristar: Lots of land to play with out there in AZ....not as much down in southeast LA.
29 EddieDude: Considering that the route is going to be served with ERJ-145, I don't see why it won't be sustainable. It is only 300 seats per week. BTW, the artic
30 OzarkD9S: I wonder if we could see Volaris in MSY down the road, once the codeshare with WN starts? MSY would be a good place to transfer traffic to the eastern
31 MSYtristar: Also during the press conference, it was announced that AM and the airport are in talks about MSY-CUN service, as well.
32 AM744: Yes. The route hasn't been abandoned since its launch. Even MGA is still being flown (although at 1x, it is somewhat symbolic)
33 PanAm330: Will the ERJ do ok performance-wise on the route? I've done EWR-DAB (25nm shorter) when the -XR was swapped for a regular 145, and they weight restri
34 EddieDude: Hmmm. Good point. I would expect no restrictions or penalties, but who knows. I once flew YYZ-IAH (1,112 nm) on a Continental Express ERJ-145 and the
35 SANFan: I wonder -- seasonal or year-'round? (Understandibly, with AM, it's probably a moot point anyway...) In any case, I really do hope it does well and s
36 MSYtristar: Nothing I've read so far indicates seasonal so I would guess it's being planned to operate year-round.
37 Olli: Despite that AeroMexico timetable shows is operated 1x week, it is flown 3x week (3, 5 & 7). It's such a shame that AM is becoming unreliable in my p
38 EddieDude: You just don't miss a chance to bash or deride AM, do you?
39 MayaviaERJ190: This thread is so one-sided, for not calling it something else, but anyway, I'm pretty sure we will see AM's MEX-MSY operating for years to come, as
40 Adriaticus: Mayavia, you hit many nails altogether. The key question for the success of this flight is: how many Mexicans from Mexico City will be willing to tra
41 SKYYBLUE: Ah, where? The only one I can think of that sucked was TWA's daily MD-80 tag to MEX. That flight never did seem to get off the ground. Probably becau
42 SANFan: moot adjective 1a: open to question [DEBATABLE] 1b: subjected to discussion [DISPUTED] 2: deprived of practical significance; made abstract or purely
43 Lexy: You've taken what I said totally out of context and made it into what you want here. I wasn't saying that it would fail off O&D. What I was referring
44 OzarkD9S: That flight was scheduled for connections at JFK. TWA couldn't get JFK-MEX nonstop authority at the time due to bilateral restrictions, CO and DL wer
45 MSYPI7185: The route can be successful for 2 reasons: 1. MSY has the largest Honduran population in the US of any other major city. Basically MSY is the second
46 MAH4546: No, it does not. Though that doesn't mean the Honduran community isn't big. It is quite large in New Orleans nontheless. http://www.epodunk.com/ances
47 MSYtristar: I still think it can be successful, with or without connecting traffic to SAP. Sure, some people might take AM to Honduras....probably won't be many.
48 MSYPI7185: " target=_blank>http://www.epodunk.com/ancestry/Hond....html I still stand by my statement, this link only counts Kenner, LA. about 70,000 of 1.2 mil
49 MSYtristar: Here is some info from one of the AeroMexico press releases: The Hispanic population in New Orleans is the fastest growing of any major U.S. city. Fo
51 EddieDude: He meant to say that most passengers will be Mexicans rather than Louisianans.
52 SurfandSnow: Great to see international service back at MSY. Given all of its recent North American expansion, I'm actually somewhat surprised AC has yet to return
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