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American Eagle Restoring Flights In The Carribean  
User currently offlineBooDog From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 257 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

MSNBC has a new story up, saying that AE will start up over 100 new flights in the carribean, including eight new destinations, effective May 1st.

Does anybody have more details?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30073933/


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User currently offlineVIflyer From US Virgin Islands, joined May 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

News to me I tend to get most of my companies info via outsides sources and the Money section of the USA today than the company inter web. I wonder if this about face has anything to do with This . My only question and suspension of the validity of the report is that where r they going to get the extra A/C? MQ only has but so many ATR's and with the Saabs gone from DFW and the ATRs replacing them on some routes the numbers don't add up?

VI



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User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 640 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

What is the farthest destination AE flies from SJU?

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User currently offlineVIflyer From US Virgin Islands, joined May 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7789 times:



Quoting WingnutMN (Reply 2):
What is the farthest destination AE flies from SJU?

SJU-POS: 541nm
It's block time is 2:43

Vi



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User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7718 times:

With what planes? Executive had low usage rates, but a dozen or so planes are now in Dallas.

User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

It has been reported that POS is being reinstated as a daily destination. When AE made its cuts some time back i believe POS was reduced from daily to either 4 or 5 weekly. The daily connections would be welcomed in POS.

AA1818



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

What routes are being restored? what current routes are being upgraded?


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User currently offlineVeeseeten From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

Fair enough! I suppose the associated costs of basing a single RJ for one route - that isn't even particularly high-frequency - in SJU wouldn't make much sense anyway.

User currently offlineLVHGEL From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Well, additional info in Spanish in this article of a local paper:

http://www.elnuevodia.com/american_eagle_con_mas_vuelos/554008.html

But an interesting fact, is that last week Insel Air (Curazao) announced it's new routes to SJU ( I think the inaugural flight is today) see:

http://www.elnuevodia.com/aterriza_e..._puerto_rico_insel_air/552800.html

So it seems the local market is moving again


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7230 times:



Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
MSNBC has a new story up, saying that AE will start up over 100 new flights in the Caribbean, including eight new destinations, effective May 1st.

OK...

Well if the article is correct then 109 weekly flights would be about 15.5 flights per day.

OK so lets assume that every flight that is not daily will go back to daily as AA prefers to serve most destinations on a daily basis.
POS 3 + 4 = 7
BGI 4 + 3 = 7
ANU 10 + 4 = 14
FDF 6 + 1 = 7
PTP 4 + 3 = 7
LRM 10 + 4 = 14
POP 3 + 4 = 7
GND 4 + 3 = 7
STT 46 + 3 = 49
So to get everything back to daily service we have added 29 weekly flights.

Now if we also assume that just about everything that was cut will be reintroduced that would add SJU service back to...
AUA
CUR
BON
NEV
AZS
CIW
If each of these markets got back one daily flight that would be 49 weekly flights.

So at this point of the 109 new weekly flights we would have 31 left, or enough for four daily flights and three extra weekly legs.

Possible candidates for new service...
PLS
CAP
VQS
MAZ
BQN
TAB
KIN

It will be interesting to see what we get when AA makes the press release.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7194 times:



Quoting Veeseeten (Reply 10):
I'm guessing there must be some stops on that POS route, otherwise that's quite a long time on an ATR72!



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 11):

Non-stop. Flew it back in September '07. I'm not sure why but a year or so ago some flights were routed through Rousseau, Dominica but the flight operates non-stop.

AA1818

I have done SJU - GND a few times, it is slightly shorter than to POS, about 20 minutes less, but honestly it is not a nice flight. As a passenger next to me once said, it is a long flight on a plane like this.. And it is not so much the prop, the aircraft is somewhat uncomfortable, the seats are very strange, with lumbar support it doesn't need. Hard to explain. Additionally they are a bit old. I found the planes between MIA/NAS much newer and noticeably quieter to fly on. I think they get the ATR with new props.

Quoting Dtw757 (Reply 15):

Yes people should really use the proper two letter code for American Eagle which is MQ and not AE.

Then to get more specific in this case we are referring to OW, Executive Airlines. Maybe we should just write out the entire name "American Eagle." Big grin



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User currently offlineFlyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rican government agreed with the airline American Eagle to add 109 weekly flights to eight destinations in the Caribbean as of May.
The executive director of the Tourism Company, Jaime López Díaz, said Monday that the alliance seeks to attract the medical tourism, shopping and entertainment.

"This represents an increase in sales to the destination and the hotel records from the islands, resulting in a direct and indirect economic impact of more than $ 21 million for Puerto Rico," he said in a press conference.

109 flights per week are divided on the basis of 15 per day for the islands of Saint Martin, Tortola, St. Thomas, St. Croix, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Trinidad-Tobago and Grenada.
Previously, American Eagle offers about 60 daily flights to the Caribbean during the summer, but that figure fell to 32 last year after the company cut the frequency of their routes because of the economic crisis and the increase in operational costs.

With the 15 new daily flights from the first of May, American Eagle will have between 48 and 50 flights each day.



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7103 times:



Quoting Flyby519 (Reply 19):
109 flights per week are divided on the basis of 15 per day for the islands of Saint Martin, Tortola, St. Thomas, St. Croix, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Trinidad-Tobago and Grenada.

Strange some of these markets already have quite a few flights...
EIS 49 weekly
STX 49 weekly
STT 46 weekly
SXM 21 weekly

I am surprised that the French islands are getting more service after the recent unrest.

GND is having trouble nonstop out of MIA. Maybe it will revert back to AE from SJU.

Trinidad/Tobago makes good sense. I wonder if all the new flights will be to POS or if TAB might see some service.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3432 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7064 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 20):
Trinidad/Tobago makes good sense. I wonder if all the new flights will be to POS or if TAB might see some service.

I'm sure POS will be made daily again. TAB, not sure. MQ used to serve TAB years ago. Anyone knows how they used to do on SJU-TAB? I can't imagine there was any O&D but rather the flight would be filled with connexions from the mainlands.

AA1818



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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

I suspect you will see Mainline service return slowly as well. Although they state Regional tourism, you still need feed from the mainland. I suspect AA will do something more, which is why you do not see an anouncement as of yet. The dropping of AA mainline flights from JFK to both SJU and SDQ and other locals, has caused a significant fall-off of International Flight attendants at JFK to domestic, who are being placed at LGA, which has a surplus of FA's already. There are more dynamics then we are considering here...............AA acts smart. SJU was a temporary scare tactic.....someday I will get to the bottom of it all..  Smile

User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7116 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

SJU within the Caribbean served two purposes, unfortunately, it seems that AA and Eagle only looked at one when they downsized their operation, namely onward feeder service from AA. SJU is also a shopping destination for some of the smaller islands, it appears as if Eagle is making an attempt to see if that service can be used to increase its flying to a profitable level. I have never flown the ATR's from SJU, those operating to NAS are real comfortable and would not create an issue for me on a two hour flight.
If that's the only economical service some of these smaller islands can get I say go for it. My folks recently visited from GND, they arrived via SJU-MIA but due to delays in MIA on their return, the went direct on the MIA-GND overnight flight. The direct flight does seem to go out late on a regular basis, I understand it is subsidized by a local hotel.


User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6802 times:



Quoting Elmothehobo (Reply 14):

If they commited the E135 to the caribbean, could they remove the last row of seats
and move the bulkhead forward? thus allowing for the "typical luggage requrements".

The E135 in the caribbean with 34 seats would create a great upgrade, jetway capability,
and more frequencies with shorter block times. SJU could be a true regional jet caribbean
gateway.


User currently offlineJdairceo From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6303 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 16):
The dropping of AA mainline flights from JFK to both SJU and SDQ and other locals, has caused a significant fall-off of International Flight attendants at JFK to domestic,

Service was not dropped from JFK to SJU or SDQ. Service was slightly reduced and aircraft downgraded due to A300s leaving.

Currently there are:
-3x daily 757 JFK-SJU
-1x daily 763 JFK-SDQ

and of course Miami still has many flights
-3x daily 757 MIA-SJU
2X daily 738 MIA-SJU
2x daily A300 MIA-SJU
-3x daily 757 MIA-SDQ
-1x daily A300 MIA-SDQ

-Saturday only 1x 757 BOS-SDQ

Still pretty good service to the region.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6156 times:



Quoting AJMIA (Reply 14):
GND is having trouble nonstop out of MIA. Maybe it will revert back to AE from SJU.

It's heavily subsidized. AA doesn't lose money on it.



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Good to see news on OW expanding service in the region. In response to the question of TAB, OW flew to TAB between 1995 and 2000. AA had actually been granted landing rights in TAB as far back as 1991 when TAB was declared an international airport but did not use them until 1995. The flight was daily but suffered from low loads and was paired with SVD at some points in time. Additionally the Government provided some funds to OW to maintain the service onwards from 1997. Alas, this did not save the service and in March 2000 the Eagle left TAB for the last time.

I do not know whether a return there would work now. TAB is a small market and has limited tourist activity from North America but peak seasons like Christmas and summer can see some local traffic using the service to continue elsewhere in the USA. We shall wait and see.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5242 times:



Quoting Xdlx (Reply 18):
If they commited the E135 to the caribbean, could they remove the last row of seats
and move the bulkhead forward? thus allowing for the "typical luggage requrements".

The E135 in the caribbean with 34 seats would create a great upgrade, jetway capability,
and more frequencies with shorter block times. SJU could be a true regional jet caribbean
gateway.

I don't think MQ has any ER3s to spare, especially with the Saab fleet retired. Also, ER3s would burn much more fuel than the ATR-72s and carry about 1/2 the passenger load. Plus on the really short flights(sub 200mi), the block times probably wouldn't be that different. I think more ATRs or maybe Dash 8-Q400s would be a better solution.


User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5038 times:



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 22):

ALL Due Respect.... Yes DOC of RJ is aprox 7% higher than the latest and most advanced
TP aircraft ie: ATR72-600 or Q400. But Executive choses to run the most ragged and old
equipment it can find. Now that AA has left a lot of the SJU facility available, perhaps the longer
segments in an RJ would allow better yields than the ATR.

Executive still has the ability to integrate and enhance their MIA & SJU operations to dominate the
caribbean like no other carrier in history, RJ have to be part of the solution on the longer thiner segments. Perhaps the CR7 is the better candidate but I do not see MQ chasing that alternative.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4964 times:



Quoting Xdlx (Reply 23):
ALL Due Respect.... Yes DOC of RJ is aprox 7% higher than the latest and most advanced
TP aircraft ie: ATR72-600 or Q400. But Executive choses to run the most ragged and old
equipment it can find. Now that AA has left a lot of the SJU facility available, perhaps the longer
segments in an RJ would allow better yields than the ATR.

Executive still has the ability to integrate and enhance their MIA & SJU operations to dominate the
caribbean like no other carrier in history, RJ have to be part of the solution on the longer thiner segments. Perhaps the CR7 is the better candidate but I do not see MQ chasing that alternative.

I personally do not expect we will see RJs plying Eagle routes in the Caribbean any time soon, if ever, for several reasons.

First and foremost, they are way, way, way to expensive. The primarily short sectors the ATRs do out of SJU are at stage lengths way below what would generally be profitable for RJs, even in the best of conditions. Eagle's RJs have a hard time making money even in the Continental U.S., on longer segments, with little competition. In the Caribbean, their economics would be a complete and total disaster, which is why - by and large - you don't see them virtually at all - serving for any airline - in the entire Caribbean basin.

Second, the ERJs do not have enough cargo-hauling capability, which is important in many of these island markets when baggage is not only a big issue, but also supplies and other necessities for the islands - a great deal of which moves in and out on these flights.

Third, Eagle's ERJs (and actually all aircraft on the Eagle certificate) are not over water certified, and thus would have to be re-certified to go to SJU. I doubt that's going to happen - the cost would hardly be worth it (see #1 and #2).

Fourth, Eagle does not have RJ capacity to spare at the moment. We're already in a situation where every RJ flight added in one place has to directly correlate with an RJ subtracted somewhere else. Eagle simply does not have enough to go around to send any down to the Caribbean as it is, without even accounting for possible RJ retirements (see #1).

Fifth, and finally, they aren't needed. Eagle doesn't need the RJs at all to maintain its dominant competitive position in the region. The ATRs are just fine. Pieces of crap, no doubt, but for these markets, where there isn't much competition, that isn't a problem. Plus, it's not like Eagle and their ATRs are up against tons of other airlines operating 737s. Most of Eagle's regional competitors are also flying props. What Eagle needs to be competitive in the Caribbean is a strong investment in their network, and maintaining a strong schedule presence in these markets. The aircraft is far less important.


User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1537 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4945 times:



Quoting Jdairceo (Reply 19):
Service was not dropped from JFK to SJU or SDQ. Service was slightly reduced and aircraft downgraded due to A300s leaving.

Service on American from JFK to the DR and PR has dropped considerably. Two or three years back, American was running three to four daily A300s to Santo Domingo, three to Santiago, DR and five or six to San Juan.

The weak market, JetBlue and slashing the size of the SJU hub have decreased the size of the operation considerably.

Quoting Xdlx (Reply 18):
If they commited the E135 to the caribbean, could they remove the last row of seats and move the bulkhead forward? thus allowing for the "typical luggage requrements".



Quoting Xdlx (Reply 18):
The E135 in the caribbean with 34 seats would create a great upgrade, jetway capability,and more frequencies with shorter block times. SJU could be a true regional jet caribbean gateway.

You could, but it would extremely costly, both immediately and in the long run. A high CASM RJ running with three fewer seats would be an even higher CASM jet. The ATR's low cost of operation and its bigger cargo hold, not to mention its fuel efficiency, would crush the ER3 operationally on all but one or two routes. Most of the frequencies in the Caribbean are short, not where ER3s are going to beat the ATR-72.

Also, an ER3 with 34 seat carries practically half as many passengers as an ATR-72, meaning that you'd have to fly two ER3s to equal the capacity of an ATR, not to mention you'd need to pay twice as many pilots.

The only solution for the Caribbean, at least for Executive, is more ATR-72s or the Dash 8-400, which IMO both Eagle (MQ) and Executive should look at ordering.


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5029 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 24):
Second, the ERJs do not have enough cargo-hauling capability, which is important in many of these island markets when baggage is not only a big issue, but also supplies and other necessities for the islands - a great deal of which moves in and out on these flights.

Not only is the cargo hold too small on RJ's but the actual cargo door is physically too small on RJ's for many of the most lucrative freight items to fit through. I think Embraer 175's and 195's would do well in the carribbean but AA's pilots wont allow it.


25 BooDog : I was able to find some of the changes; this list is obviously not complete. From San Juan: Antigua: (ANU) 9 weekly to 2 daily Beef Island (EIS) from
26 Cambrian : This thread has put my psychotherapy back a few months! The worst flights that I have ever taken are on American Eagle between BGI and SJU. That is a
27 MIASkies : Wow dropping BON completely? so no service to the Netherland Antilles at all from AA/AE from SJU?
28 Xdlx : Did you know that even with the ATR bigger baggage capacity, AE has a contract to fly Caravans behind the ATR to bring the bags that do not fit on th
29 Elmothehobo : I've heard on these boards that American is looking at launching service from Miami to Bonaire. Too bad they are ending this flight. They've flown th
30 Captaink : Not that much trouble, the flight is down to a few times a week which is more suitable. Whatsmore it is subsidized and I have heard the cargo on the
31 413x3 : so if the RJs are so unprofitable, why has American Eagle relied on them as their main airplanes to do the flying all over the states?
32 MAH4546 : Because there is a significant difference between the economics of Caribbean flying and the economics of domestic U.S. flying, as already discussed i
33 EXAAUADL : it would also lose a ton of money
34 Cubsrule : Just to clarify (and I know you know this, but for the sake of completeness), that's the MQ certificate, not the OW certificate. Is that still true?
35 Commavia : Remember, though: Eagle is taking over a lot of the AX flying out of STL that those ERJs coming back off lease were doing. So they're not really gett
36 Cubsrule : With the DAY and BDL cuts loaded, MQ is actually just about flat versus where AX plus MQ was in January. I've left the MIA flying that has transition
37 Xdlx : Gentlemen, The whole point of this topic is to try to figure out "How to do it"... We may disagree on who has capacity, or what aircraft is best for
38 Cubsrule : But we had our whole discussion because of the third option, which is probably the easiest if it's doable: pulling ATRs off of routes ex-DFW and MIA
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