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2009 Q1 Widebody Deliveries  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

No contest: Airbus (15), Boeing (30). TOTAL : 45

777 (23)
A330 (13)
747 (4)
767 (3)
A340 (2)

777-300ER (12) GE
A330-300 (7) 5xRR 2xGE
777-200LR (7) GE
A330-200 (6) 5xRR 1xPW
747-400ERF (3) PW
777F (3) GE
A340-600 (2) RR
767-300ER (2) GE
747-400F (1) GE
767-400ER (1) GE
777-200ER (1) RR

79% of engines delivered by Boeing = GE
82% of engines delivered by Airbus = RR

Note:
At this rate, Boeing would deliver 120 widebodies in 2009 compared with 91 (2006), 111 (2007) and 85 (2008).
Airbus would manage just 60 in 2009 compared with 95 (2006), 86 (2007) and 97 (2008).

Neither 120 nor 60 seems likely but the Q1 numbers are telling some sort of story. Boeing still catching up after the strike? Airbus badly missing those A380 deliveries?

I suppose Airbus might take some consolation in Boeing's backlog falling faster than their own but I guess Boeing would rather have cashflow than backlog.  Wink

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Wow, the final 767-400ER got delivered after all this time. It's been on the books forever. I always heard it was a military order, but the delivery says VIP/Business Jet. Anyone have more info on this bird?


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Wow, the final 767-400ER got delivered after all this time. It's been on the books forever. I always heard it was a military order, but the delivery says VIP/Business Jet. Anyone have more info on this bird?

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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3197 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
No contest: Airbus (15), Boeing (30). TOTAL : 45

777 (23)
A330 (13)
747 (4)
767 (3)
A340 (2)

Thanks for the breakdown PM. Like you mentioned this recent delivery spree on Boeing's part can be attributed to lasts years strike and the final certification of the 77F program.

Since you missed it PM, I will take the opportunity of announcing that Airbus have now delivered 600 A332's/A333's.  Smile

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

So now that the Gov't of Bahrain has a 767-400, does that make them the only operator of the type besides DL and CO?


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3169 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
No contest: Airbus (15), Boeing (30). TOTAL : 45

Thanks for the info PM!! What are the total Q1 orders/deliveries, or will that be a different thread?



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3091 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):

Thanks for the info PM!! What are the total Q1 orders/deliveries, or will that be a different thread?

I can give you a quick breakdown in regards to Airbus.

Orders:

Turkish Airlines 4 x A321's
Korean Airlines 2 x A380's
Korean Airlines 6 x A332's
Aircraft Purchase Fleet 10 x A320's

Deliveries:

A318 x 1
A319 x 31
A320 x 51
A321 x 18
A332 x 6
A333 x 7
A346 x 2

Narrow Bodies : 101
Wide Bodies: 15

Total: 116 Frames.

Cancelations:

A318 x 3
A319 x 3
A320 x 4
A321 x 4

This gives Airbus a total of 8 net orders for 2009.  Sad

Regards,
Wings



Aviation Is A Passion.
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3088 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
I will take the opportunity of announcing that Airbus have now delivered 600 A332's/A333's.

 champagne  And 256 of them (43%) have RR!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
What are the total Q1 orders ... or will that be a different thread?

It would be a pretty short thread!  Sad

6 x A330
4 x 777
2 x A380
TOTAL : 12 - or about one plane a week.  frown 

6 x A330-200 (Korean) PW (??)
2 x A380-800 (Korean) EA
2 x 777-300ER (unidentified) GE
1 x 777-300ER (Air New Zealand) GE
1 x 777-200LR (unidentified) GE


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3083 times:



Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):

Thanks a lot wings! This is really something different than we have gotten used to. I remember reading (IIRC flightglobal) that Boeings net orders were in the line of -4. They must be very happy to have these huge backlogs right now. No doubt more cancelations/deferrals will follow.



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User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6765 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2804 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
No contest: Airbus (15), Boeing (30). TOTAL : 45

777 (23)
A330 (13)
747 (4)
767 (3)
A340 (2)

I am very surprised that Airbus delivered only 15 A330/A340-family aircraft in Q1. I was under the impression that the targeted production rate was 8-10 frames/month. Am I wrong, or have they slowed production due to the economic crisis? I'm also surprised to not see any A380's delivered in Q1.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2724 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Wow, the final 767-400ER got delivered after all this time...I always heard it was a military order, but the delivery says VIP/Business Jet.

The USAF ordered it for the E-10A program which was subsequently canceled prior to production of the frame. As I understand it, funds were eventually secured by the USAF to build the airframe so Boeing started production, but then the USAF decided they didn't want the bird (it would serve no function in their inventory) so it was re-sold to the government of Bahrain as a BBJ.



Quoting San747 (Reply 4):
So now that the Gov't of Bahrain has a 767-400, does that make them the only operator of the type besides DL and CO?

Yes.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2709 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
The USAF ordered it for the E-10A program which was subsequently canceled prior to production of the frame. As I understand it, funds were eventually secured by the USAF to build the airframe so Boeing started production, but then the USAF decided they didn't want the bird (it would serve no function in their inventory) so it was re-sold to the government of Bahrain as a BBJ.

That explains it. So it was basically a white tail in production that Boeing was able to sell off.

And ends the production run in one of the most passenger friendly aircraft never to gain traction with airlines. The 764ER has the comfortable interior of a 777, the convenience of two standard doors ahead of the wing for dual jetways, the 2-3-2 seating in Y and 2-1-2 in J (for CO, who truly cares about J pax comfort...), and the quiet cabin of a long fuselage with modern engines on the wing. Never had a bad flight on a 764ER, DL or CO.  Smile



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31006 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2599 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Never had a bad flight on a 764ER, DL or CO.  Smile

I've only been on the 764ER once (CO up front), but I have to admit it was a darn nice ride.  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1849 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Does Boeing still produce 747 PAX and Cargo? I thought they ended those until the 747-8 came online?


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2469 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 13):
Does Boeing still produce 747 PAX and Cargo? I thought they ended those until the 747-8 came online?

Only 747 Freighter, no pax

Cheers

//Mike



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2377 times:



Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 13):
Does Boeing still produce 747 PAX and Cargo? I thought they ended those until the 747-8 came online?

The last few 744Fs are being finished up. The 744 pax production is complete and has been for some time.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10039 posts, RR: 96
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
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Quoting ScottB (Reply 9):
I am very surprised that Airbus delivered only 15 A330/A340-family aircraft in Q1. I was under the impression that the targeted production rate was 8-10 frames/month

They should be running at around 8 per month. However, over a year "8 per month" always seems to aggregate out at around 80 frames per year.

This aviationweek article has some interesting commentary (I'm surprised it hasn't got its own thread yet)

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...eliveries%20In%202010&channel=comm

Airbus are forecasting 480 deliveries this year, similar to last year, and say that they're actually "overbooked" against the current production rates for 2009 and 2010 (presumably because planned rate increases have been put on hold)

They suggest that they are taking a hard line with airlines over deliveries this year, as the frames are already in build, but that they have a softer approach to 2010 as there is more opportunity to flex the rate at that range.

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
I suppose Airbus might take some consolation in Boeing's backlog falling faster than their own

I score the Airbus widebody backlog reduction at 7 frames (15-8), and Boeing at 26 frames (30-4)  Smile

Quoting PM (Thread starter):
but I guess Boeing would rather have cashflow than backlog

In that sense, I guess maintaining the planned production rates is the key. Airbus are saying they expect to maintain rates this year.

Rgds


User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1860 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Thanks for the info PM!! What are the total Q1 orders/deliveries, or will that be a different thread?

Four planes in three months - Boeing and Airbus report dismal first quarter net orders
http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...mal-first-quarter-net-orders/page1

Interesting article by CAPA...

Quote:
Formerly high flying Boeing and Airbus have secured a grand total of just four new aircraft orders between them in the first three months of 2009, net of cancellations. It is one of the starkest reminders of the effects of the global economic downturn on the aviation industry.

The world's airlines have ordered a total of just 50 aircraft in the first quarter (28 for Boeing, 22 for Airbus), but they have cancelled 46 (32 for Boeing, 14 for Airbus), for a net order gain of just four aircraft.

This is a massive turnaround from the 709 aircraft ordered in the first three months of 2008 (289 for Boeing and 420 for Airbus).



Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
Since you missed it PM, I will take the opportunity of announcing that Airbus have now delivered 600 A332's/A333's.

Congrats to Airbus.


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