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User currently offlineLXA333 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

When can we expect those ancient a310s to be replaced?


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5621 times:



Quoting LXA333 (Thread starter):
When can we expect those ancient a310s to be replaced?

I hope not for a while... I still want a chance to fly those lovely aircraft... Big grin

IIRC there were plans not so long ago to replace them, but due to the current recession those plans were shelved for the time being.



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5534 times:



Quoting LXA333 (Thread starter):
When can we expect those ancient a310s to be replaced?

I'm thinking that will happen when AF-KL purchases OK. At that point AF-KL might hub 2 or 3 A332s to take care of any long-haul flying needed, if it is still needed seeing what DL has been doing.



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5516 times:

What aircraft will they go for?

The B767 or A330 would be a great aircraft for OK.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5498 times:



Quoting Jano (Reply 2):
if it is still needed seeing what DL has been doing.

What has DL been doing? (genuinely curious, not trying to sound rude).

Thanks,
Brandon



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5397 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 4):
What has DL been doing? (genuinely curious, not trying to sound rude).

A few years back they started ATL-PRG. Then this year (or maybe last) they started JFK-PRG. OK does only PRG-JFK and PRG-Toronto (they dropped EWR and Montreal). So it migh be that after A313 are gone from OK then DL will pick up all TATL flying between USA and PRG and PRG-Toronto will be dropped.



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User currently offlineTommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

I recently flew JFK-PRG with the ancient 310 in business class and it was a codeshare with Delta, DL does not fly their own metal to PRG, besides for the cute FA's and the friendly service their business class is worse then some economy class seats, they are about 20 years behind on their seats and entertainment systems

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5297 times:



Quoting Tommyy (Reply 6):
I recently flew JFK-PRG with the ancient 310 in business class and it was a codeshare with Delta, DL does not fly their own metal to PRG, besides for the cute FA's and the friendly service their business class is worse then some economy class seats, they are about 20 years behind on their seats and entertainment systems

Prague could be a good hub; OK has good connections throughout Eastern Europe; just a better quality product is needed and I don't see them doing that until the A310s are replaced. Personally, I live A310s - they're about the most photogenic aircraft around (like the 747SP, in a way - short and fat!), BUT their time has passed. I agree that the A332 is the most likely type for OK and in the current environment, it can't be THAT hard to find two or three, which could be used as a stopgap and OK could participate in AF/KL's 100 aircraft widebody order.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5231 times:



Quoting Tommyy (Reply 6):
DL does not fly their own metal to PRG

DL 62/63 ATL-PRG
DL 208/209 JFK-PRG - not sure it it started already....



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5172 times:

Is the AF-KL deal still on? Its gone very quiet.

Would they go for RR, GE or PW powered A330's?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25062 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Radomir Lasak the CEO of CSA had a lenghy interview in a recent edition of Airline Business.

Basically in summary - OK is in no financial position to do much with its fleet at the moment.
Mr Lasak states OK has 8 previously ordered A320 family aircraft still planned for delivery in 2011/2012, but otherwise is not pondering much more.
If company had the finances he would like to swap out the 20 737s for an all Airbus fleet, at the soonest opportunity but the companies health cannot support it.
For long-haul, that decision will be left for the carriers future owners, but for now long haul scheduled service ops is basically a loss making venture and the wide bodies will be used more and more for charters instead.



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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5078 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
but for now long haul scheduled service ops is basically a loss making venture

If that is true, would it not make sense to stop flying their TATL services and just code share with Delta on all their routes from PRG?

~Brandon



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User currently offlineTommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5034 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 9):

I meant from JFK, they have not started yet


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4940 times:



Quoting LXA333 (Thread starter):
When can we expect those ancient a310s to be replaced?

I personally dont think they will or should be replaced, just retired. Those long haul routes are money losers. Not ever country needs to have a long haul international airline. They should let their SkyTeam partners carry intl traffic and they codeshare. They should have A320s/329s and ATRs


User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

The company s health is not in the status of putting longhaul order any time soon. Agree DL will take over TATL operations and only after privatisation strategic decision will be taken. If some new order will come, than it will be replacement of their AT7 by new ATR72 600 version. Their will concentrate themselves on current GO-EAST policy and expand in ex-soviet countries. Recently they added bunch of new destinations in CIS like OVB,TAS,ALA and ROV.
Expect them to restart Baku (GYD) and add some Ukrainian cities like DNK or HRK and something in Russia (KZN, PEE or GOJ). Their new 319 about to receive will be good for this purpose. We may see them soon expanding in middle east as well adding AMM e.g.
Some talks were held about PZN and GDN in Poland. TAT in Slovakia for winter only is also in question. Additional city in Romania was also discussed Cluj or Timisoara. Time will tell us.



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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

If the AF group will purchase them we might also see that their long haul network will dissapear completely and have them feed the long haul passengers to AMS and CDG.

User currently offlineOrlik From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2008, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3738 times:



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):

Thats true and most efficient solution for TATL flights. "Eastern" network will work for connection from CDG, LYS or AMS flights or OK own connecting flights.

What I feel as a lost opportunity from the past are eastbound flights (there is substantial Chinese and Vietnamese minority + investors from Japan and S.Korea) to Asia. Some A332 would also enable to load reasonable cargo to TATL flights and improve their efficiency.

Today OK is almost empty shell from fixed assets PoV, with very limited possibility to decide about their fortune. In this case sale of the company is the only solution.


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
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When is the announced start date for direct JFK-PRG service on DL?

User currently offlineVN777 From Vietnam, joined Nov 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3580 times:



Quoting Orlik (Reply 16):
What I feel as a lost opportunity from the past are eastbound flights (there is substantial Chinese and Vietnamese minority + investors from Japan and S.Korea) to Asia.

PRG is on the short list together with LHR for VN 's next destination in Europe. Also its expected that VN will join skyteam this or next year.

So with VN and KE to the east and DL to the west, Skyteam could have enough long haul out of PRG.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3480 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 13):
They should let their SkyTeam partners carry intl traffic and they codeshare.

I think all airlines should try to generate and transport as much of their own passengers as possible. Partner airlines can stitch you up.

The A330 would be a great replacement for the eternally beautiful A310s

I don't understand how CSA could be having financial problems. They must have the cheapest crew and cheapest airport costs in the whole of Europe (if not the world). CSA fares are normally higher than other operators out of PRG.
The Czech economy should still be in a state of expansion after all those communist years and it is geographically well placed to carry fellow ex-communists to the world.

Where has it gone wrong?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25062 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3467 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 19):
Where has it gone wrong?

According to their CEO:

1) Traffic demand failed to support growth started in 2004 with fleet growing from 35-50 without negatively eroding loads and yields.
2) Placing order for dozen A320, and their huge capital cost
3) LCCs in Central Europe and having to match pricing to retain traffic.
4) Trade union. OK is not a low cost producer having much legacy overhead.
5) High fuel cost

Apparently things were so touch and go, he started studying bankruptcy law in 2006.



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